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  1. latos has adjusted to fix terrible early season performance each season for 3 years now, though this year’s adjustment took longer than those in petco. what do you think accounted for the surges in previous years?

    Comment by Andrew — September 26, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  2. Would it be fair to think that the simplified approach could catch up to him once the scouting reports catch up?

    Comment by josh m — September 26, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

  3. Plenty of pitchers can do this despite the adage of old scouts. Mat gets great angle on his fastball and late life as well as good velocity. His breaking ball is a legit out pitch. His control/command are great for a power pitcher. So I think he could make it work.

    Comment by John Ford-Griffindor — September 26, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  4. Did playing in San Diego hide the fact that his change-up just wasn’t that good? Or was he just not throwing it as effectively as before?

    Comment by Anthony — September 26, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  5. Mat Latos turned his season around by because I dropped him from my fantasy team in a fit of rage and frustration. It’s science. You don’t question science.

    Comment by Ron — September 26, 2012 @ 4:23 pm

  6. Don’t forget Ryan Hanigan, who deserves credit for calling the right pitch at the right time and managing the emotional Latos. He has been the unappreciated rock of the Reds pitching staff this year – his catcher ERA of 3.05 is best in the majors (AJ Ellis is 2nd with a 3.40 cERA). He has also caught all 10 of the Reds shutouts, and his caught stealing percentage (48.4%) is highest among qualified catchers, even better than Yadier Molina’s.

    Comment by Jared — September 26, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  7. Ryan Hanigan is truly one of the most under-appreciated catchers in baseball.

    Comment by Desertfox — September 26, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

  8. There were also accusations from Cleveland after that June 18th outing that Latos was tipping his pitches. Perhaps the change up was a primary culprit.

    Comment by RMR — September 26, 2012 @ 6:11 pm

  9. Inexperience and arm problems at beginning of 2011?

    Comment by James — September 26, 2012 @ 6:46 pm

  10. I don’t doubt that Hanigan is an excellent catcher, but… never use cERA again.

    Comment by Ian R. — September 26, 2012 @ 7:48 pm

  11. traded Cishek Leake and Furcal for him and Dan Hudson literally right at the end of his rough times…Latos alone made that a great trade. Helped me just barely squeak into the playoffs in a nail-biter last week of the season where I started 5 games back and would have lost in a tie. And then in the first round of the playoffs he gets pulled after 5 2/3 while doing well by Dusty Baker…no QS. And then in his next start, at 110 pitches or so gets left in for the eigth and allows his fourth run…no QS. ended up tying in QS without homefield advantage and because of some crazy rule the overall tie (8 categories) and each individual tie go to the home team so I ended tying in QS and 4-4 in all categories and missing the Finals.

    So Latos is kinda bittersweet to my fantasy team…

    While I’m ranting about my fantasy team…I drafted Chris Carpenter and Ted Lilly…that didn’t go well. Had like 15 players on the DL at one time. But…check out these trades

    Cishek, Leake and Furcal for D. Hudson and Latos

    Buehrle for Nathan

    Olt, S. Miller and Paxton for Moore and Christian Bethancourt

    Markakis for Prado (needed utility help, turned out great)

    and best of all,
    R. Cook, Aaron Sanchez and Yunel Escobar for Rollins (his SBs made a huge impact) Blake Swihart and Max Scherzer.

    Note, this was when Cook had some crazy sub-1 ERA and Scherzer was up above 5. Obviously, I knew these two things wouldn’t keep up.

    I’m sure nobody cares about what I just talked about…but got the necessary link (Latos) so I could rant about my bittersweet season…

    Comment by Daniel — September 26, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  12. Say it together with me…

    No one gives a shit about your fantasy team.

    Comment by Everyone on the entire internet... — September 26, 2012 @ 9:55 pm

  13. You have to understand his feeling though…

    Comment by Kampfer — September 26, 2012 @ 11:30 pm

  14. it say way more about your league than it does you. You are playing with some lame owners.

    Comment by yuck — September 26, 2012 @ 11:33 pm

  15. where did you get the cERA stat?

    Comment by jcxy — September 27, 2012 @ 8:54 am

  16. Its a good story how Mat’s figured out his problems in Cincy. He was under a lot of pressure after they gave up such good prospects to get him, and I remember his wife getting a lot of abuse on twitter at the time.

    I knew he’d figure it out though. A guy who throws 95 with a filthy slider is always gonna turn things round sooner than later. Kudos to the Reds staff for getting him to ditch his change, and kudos to us fantasy owners who traded little for him midseason.

    Looking forward to his start vs the Crew. He flat out demolished them last time he faced them at GA ballpark.

    Comment by Swfc-dan — September 27, 2012 @ 11:41 am

  17. “With hitters hitting just .188 against his curveball this year, and .400 against the changeup,”

    Is that figured just on the final pitch of an AB? So if he throws fastball-fastball-curve-fastball-fastball-change and the batter hits a single, it counts as a hit against the changeup?

    Comment by Rally — September 27, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  18. On Fox Sports Ohio today they showed side-by-side videos of Latos in early and later June. He had been holding his hands up high before pitching, and he switched to a lower position. The analyst thought it might have to do with tipping his pitches — which is basically what Cleveland said when Latos accused them of stealing signs. So there may have been more than one adjustment to turn his season around. And next year, when he struggles in April as always, we can play this song over again.

    Comment by Lex Logan — September 27, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

  19. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/position/c/sort/catcherERA

    And Ian, do you have an issue with the stat itself or with my madeup abbreviation?

    Comment by Jared — September 27, 2012 @ 6:56 pm

  20. Jared,

    I don’t have any links handy right now, but from what I’ve seen, every study that looks at cERA concludes that there’s FAR more noise than signal in the stat. i.e. It is not very predictive year-to-year. The catcher’s role in ERA is considerably smaller than the pitcher’s and batters’ roles. That’s one of the reasons people keep saying that it’s so difficult to evaluate catcher defense. But recently there have been some promising studies on evaluating pitch-framing, and then there’s passed balls, wild pitches, and caught stealing.

    Comment by Newcomer — September 28, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

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