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  1. Thanks for this! It is indeed what I wanted to know more about. Looking forward to the next chat!

    Comment by rusty — September 26, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

  2. I was at this game. Watching the catcher of your preferred team allow four passed balls are even more frustrating in person.

    Comment by Resolution — September 26, 2012 @ 7:29 pm

  3. Whatever the Rockies do, they probably shouldn’t put him at first base.

    Comment by nolan — September 26, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

  4. He has thrown out 30 of 89, not 59 of 89. That would be ridiculous.

    Comment by Chris Headley — September 26, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

  5. oh geez

    Comment by Jeff Sullivan — September 26, 2012 @ 7:49 pm

  6. Yeah, when I saw him at first he was absolutely horrible.

    Comment by BlackOps — September 26, 2012 @ 9:05 pm

  7. If anyone has ESPN Insider, please check out the message boards for a ton of laughs at the expense of the multitude of fans who think Cabrera should win the MVP.

    Comment by John Ford-Griffindor — September 26, 2012 @ 10:58 pm

  8. Bring Mirabelli in as a coach.

    Comment by Don Pentleton — September 27, 2012 @ 12:24 am

  9. La de do de da, here we go again devaluing a Rockie player because of splits. For Christ’s sake how many players need to come to Colorado, leave Colorado, and show that Coors causes a decrease in road stats before writers stop instantly jump to home/road splits as the telling factor in Colorado hitters? Coors helps a hitter at home. But it hurts them on the road.

    Comment by Alex — September 27, 2012 @ 5:17 am

  10. i don’t think that’s the tone of the article at all.

    fwiw, part of the ASB split, at least anecdotally for me, is that he seems to be facing more LHs relative to the 1st half. other than looking at the game logs, i’m not sure there’s a way to compile this data, but i’d wager the jump in SLG and BB correspond to seeing more lefties during this 55 game stretch than it has to do with Coors.

    Comment by jcxy — September 27, 2012 @ 8:52 am

  11. Those comments make my brain hurt. I’m going to stay on fangraphs from now on.

    Comment by James — September 27, 2012 @ 8:53 am

  12. Maybe at 3B instead?

    Comment by Tomcat — September 27, 2012 @ 9:43 am

  13. There are plenty of articles that dismiss Rockies players based on splits. Most will admit that Matt Holliday, Todd Helton and Troy Tulowitzki would be excellent hitters anywhere but never go look at what they did their first year at altitude. I don’t think Jeff was bagging on Rosario’s splits in fact he largely minimized them as an argument. BTW go look at Rosario’s H/R OPS split of .949/.747 and compare it to Justin Upton who finished 4th in the MVP voting with a 1.033/.767 split in 2011

    Comment by Tomcat — September 27, 2012 @ 10:03 am

  14. I don’t see where you’re getting the anti-Coors bias from this article. The only splits Jeff mentions are pre/post ASB. As someone who doesn’t follow the Rockies closely and just picked up Rosario for the stretch, I was surprised by his poor D and I can only hope the Rockies keep running him out there to work on his fielding while enjoying his mashing.

    Comment by RéRé — September 27, 2012 @ 10:05 am

  15. Rockies fans are a bit sensitive based on the five year stretch in 00-04 where Todd Helton averaged 7WAR as a 1B with a .349/.450/.643 a 160OPS+ and never finished higher than 7th in the MVP voting.

    Comment by Tomcat — September 27, 2012 @ 10:19 am

  16. It barely got a mention in the article. If that’s your great takeaway from the article, your reading comprehension and ability to summarize need serious work.

    Comment by chuckb — September 27, 2012 @ 10:40 am

  17. I see his PBs coming from a lack of focus given everything thrown at a rookie going from double-A to MLB. Rosario’s idol, Pudge, had 14 PBs one season in his early 20s. Not equal, but is being half as good as Pudge the end of the world? Does Rosario need work on his defense? Yes. Is it so catastrophic where he automatically needs to move positions? No. How about let him work on it during the offseason and see where’s he’s at next year before writing him off from catcher forever? Unless there’s some statistical certainty that a rookie catcher will never improve much on a bad passed ball rate over time, give the kid a chance. This is fangraphs, seems like such a statistical analysis could be included.

    Comment by Fatbot — September 27, 2012 @ 12:24 pm

  18. That’s a fair point — I think the Rockies saw a smaller role for Rosario this year, giving him some time to improve defensively, mesh with the young pitching staff, etc. Instead, their hand was forced by a variety of injuries to Ramon Hernandez (45 starts all year).

    Comment by rusty — September 27, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  19. Jeff’s Wakefield/Mirabelli comparison is an interesting one, because it also raises the issue of battery-mates. A rotation in which nine guys had at least ten starts, six of whom are 25 or younger, isn’t a great way to develop a strong understanding that might reduce passed-ball rates.

    Comment by rusty — September 27, 2012 @ 1:56 pm

  20. QQ some more

    Comment by jim — September 27, 2012 @ 1:58 pm

  21. “Now, you look at Rosario and immediately you have two concerns. One, he’s putting up these numbers in Colorado, and two, his plate discipline looks raw and potentially exploitable. He swings at a lot of balls and he misses with a lot of his swings. There’s no getting around the first one — Rosario’s a Rockie, and Rockies players will have big splits. Rosario, sure enough, has been far more productive at home than on the road, and that’s something one has no choice but to keep in mind.”

    Comment by Alex — September 27, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

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