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  1. You were surprised that Gardenhire brought in one of the top 3-5 closers in the sport? I was surprised too, only for me it was the fact that he didn’t start the 9th with Nathan.

    Interesting about Kazmir. I hope they don’t correct that before facing my Yankees.

    Comment by Rob in CT — October 12, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

  2. Yeah, this. Nathan is Mr. Twitchy — he ALWAYS looks nervous when he’s on the mound. He didn’t look any more nervous to me on Friday or Sunday than he always has before. Sometimes you face great hitters and bad things happen.

    Comment by Bill — October 12, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

  3. “Kazmir’s grips on the ball were clearly visible in his glove.” Were they clearly visible to the the batters (or someone working with the Angels who could have had the information transmitted to the batter who would have to receive and process the information before the pitch arrived)? If not, then eh.

    Comment by neuter_your_dogma — October 12, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

  4. You read my mind. Obviously Marc hasn’t seen Nathan pitched before. Either way, a writer for a statistically minded website should know better than to make a ridiculous hyperbolic statement like “I knew the series was over when Nathan walked in.”

    Nathan through a few bad pitches and fell behind one of the best hitters of all time, an ended up giving up a home run. You can’t believe Nathan came out again sunday? Jason Kubel struck out 4 times the day before. Should they have benched him?

    Comment by lookatthosetwins — October 12, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

  5. “the day before” should be “the game before”, but, you know what I meant.

    Comment by lookatthosetwins — October 12, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

  6. The pitches were clearly visible to the runners on second, who can easily relay the pitch type through hand or body movement…. and in a do-or-die situation, I would be shocked if a team – any team – did not take advantage of that opportunity to gain an edge.

    I’ve seen Nathan pitch quite a few times before but – along with the usual twitches he exhibits – his body language and his eyes both screamed “I don’t want to face these guys…” It’s not previous struggles that would keep me from going back to him… It’s the lack of confidence I had in him based on what he exhibited on the mound.

    As for the “I knew it was over” statement, have you never watched a game where you could just “feel” the moment shift?

    Comment by Marc Hulet — October 12, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

  7. i know clutch doesn’t exist for sabermetrics, but watch nathan/hoffman/wagner in a play-off game, look at their body language, and then watch them groove pitches.

    nathan’s body language went beyond “twitchy.” it looked more like he was having a heart attack on the mound. i can’t imagine every save situation he’s taking 3 deep breaths, doing the thbhtthththtthth sound with his mouth like a horse, and looking like he just blew an 8 ball.

    Comment by big baby — October 12, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

  8. “I knew the series was over when Nathan walked in.”

    …with the team down two games to none in a five game series and losing 2-1 in the 9th inning of game three. Going out on a limb there, aren’t you?

    Comment by Richie Abernathy — October 12, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

  9. yeah 2 out ninth inning comebacks are rare in the playoffs this year…

    Comment by Dan — October 12, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

  10. Dan, you can be my bookie then. You take the team down two games to none and also losing in the 9th inning and I’ll take the other team.

    Comment by Richie Abernathy — October 12, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

  11. ok i’ll set a spread

    Comment by Dan — October 12, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

  12. Big Baby, as a Twins fan I can say for certain that he does in deep take multiple deep breaths, blow his lips and stare intently every pitch, every save opportunity. It is how he rolls, and according to an interview with him I heard, he doesn’t even realize he does it, which is interesting.

    Just wanted to get that in there.

    Comment by Doctor_teh — October 12, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

  13. Gonzalez finally living up to his reputation as a top prospect? The guy with a 2.3 WAR in only 89 games? I think we all could tell that he was living up to the pedigree

    Comment by TexasRanger — October 12, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

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