After reading the title, I imagined Nick Swisher standing on top of his desk and reciting “O Captain! My Captain,” with various other Yankees periodically joining in. Jeter walked out saying “Carpe Diem,” and then went to voice a blue genie in a Disney movie.
Comment by tbonemacd — October 14, 2012 @ 10:18 am
Jon Heyman included these two thoughts in his piece.
“Jeter, as he was carried off the field, told Yankees people he heard something, and most folks figured the Yankees’ realistic World Series hopes were simultaneously swept away.”
“The question now becomes: Without the captain, can the Yankees play through this? Can they possibly find a way to win their 28th World Series, down 1-0 in the ALCS and without their leader and best clutch player?”
That’s just phenomenal. Apparently the Yankees are actually a terrible team, and only the fact that they have Derek Jeter enabled them to win 95 games and beat the Orioles in the first round. How does it happen that we (as a people) let someone this bad at their job occupy a relatively high profile? I don’t get it.
Comment by BASEBALLFAN — October 14, 2012 @ 10:39 am
oh stop it. Jeter is a big part of their team. besides that, like him or hate him (obviously you are part of the latter group), it’s a dramatic twist or events and many journalists will report on it at least partly from that context.
Not infrequently in these types of things, the replacement player does a very good job and the team in general rallies, knowing that they sort of need to. I expect that’s what we’ll see here. The Yankees have so many potential stepper-uppers that this is not unlikely at all.
Comment by Jim Bouldin — October 14, 2012 @ 11:22 am
Awesome or about as likely as being struck twice by lightening?
This is going to be an unfortunate and annoying part of the whole rest of the postseason now. If the Yankees get to the World Series, they’re “doing it for Derek”. If the Tigers get to the World Series, it’s “yeah, well if Jeter wasn’t injured they probably would’ve gotten it done”. As Jeff covers in his post, Jeter’s absence is going to overshadow so many more possibly interesting storylines.
It also puts an extra layer over other existing storylines too. I wonder how much the empty seats thing that was already getting talked about, will be magnified now. “Well, Yankee fans are staying away in droves, now that Jeter’s knocked out…”.
And lastly, one other interesting ripple effect of all of this is the likely spectacle of seeing Ichiro lead off in the ALCS, and possibly in the World Series. For the Yankees. Wow. Baseball!
Comment by Chris From Bothell — October 14, 2012 @ 11:53 am
Not as awesome as ARod moving to SS and promptly fracturing his left ankle in game 2. As a Mariner fan, that would make me laugh.
Comment by Chris From Bothell — October 14, 2012 @ 11:56 am
Now they only have three potential HOFers in their lineup. They should probably just give up.
Can we please have this post with all the topic ideas covered? I mean its Sunday, what else do you have to do?
Comment by malcolm shelley — October 14, 2012 @ 12:29 pm
Someone commented on Twitter that it would have been laughable just five years age to compare Raul Ibanez to ARod. You definitely one-upped that here. It’s truly a measure of how far he’s fallen that a compelling argument needs to be made for Alex Rodriguez over Jayson Nix…
Honestly, with how poorly he’s performed since he came off the DL, he probably shouldn’t be active for this series either.
Comment by dougiejays — October 14, 2012 @ 12:34 pm
Stop calling Jon Heyman a journalist
Comment by GeneHackman — October 14, 2012 @ 12:44 pm
Counting Alex Rodriguez as a bench player and therefore available for shortstop is misleading at best. Implications for someone else playing in Rodriguez’s place need to be considered, whether good or bad.
Also, why compare Jeter to a “replacement” player when you have the actual players who might replace him to compare to.
A poor analysis.
I believe this was a reference to “There’s no crying in baseball,” not a statement saying that no position of captain exists in the sport of baesball.
Comment by ford-prefect — October 14, 2012 @ 1:19 pm
This is why I hate post season baseball and when I watch, I do it with the sound turned down. It’s never about Team A being better or playing better than Team B. It’s always about the assistant trainer’s cousin’s kid’s best friend having Lupus or some garbage like that. Isn’t it enough to watch the best in the world do amazing things? Can’t we have a simple sporting event without a Compelling Narrative (TM)? If I wanted that crap, I’d watch the Olympics.
Jeter’s a great player. That’s not the point. You completely missed the point.
The point is that it’s ridiculous to say that a team loses its “realistic World Series hopes” and question whether a team can “possibly find a way to win [the] World Series” because of losing one player. It doesn’t matter if we’re talking about Barry Bonds for the early millennium Giants; when you only need to win 8 games, the odds are never as bad as Heyman paints them. Never mind that the Yankees are quite good without them
Like the yankees or not, Jeter is the constant, the calm, the … Whatever craziness or other that the Yankees, or their players do, or whatever, there is always Jeter, calm, quiet, at the center of the Yankees organization (as players go). Is he the best? no. Is he the big bopper? no. Is he the big glove, bat, or speed guy? no. But, he is consistent. So much so, that he is easily overlooked as the spotlight moves around. And, with it, comes the Captain moniker. He knows what to do, and how to handle “it” (whatever the given “it” is at a given time)
A-rod, ok. Tex? hmm.. good, but I dont see him as HoF. and, your third in lineup…?? To early on Cano still, imo. But, if you include pitching rotation, CC .. cant argue against, and, my gut says no on Pettitte.. though the postseason stuff certainly helps.
The question is, are the networks actually going to mention anything at all about the mysterious and unknown team that is currently ahead in the series between all of the Jeter mournfulness and Ibanez jock-riding?
Comment by ThirteenOfTwo — October 14, 2012 @ 4:15 pm
Cidron, do you think we’d remember those 3 “hits” as well if it weren’t for the fact he hit another 560 of those “hits” during his career?
Comment by Westside guy — October 14, 2012 @ 4:25 pm
Apart from those three, Reggie had 563 regular-season homers and 15 other postseason home runs (before the expanded playoffs). He had speed when he was young, and finished his career with a higher batting average in neutral parks than Carl Yastrzemski.
What’s wrong with a little Schadenfreude? If you’re puerile enough to support the overpaid Yankees, we don’t have to feel too bad about enjoying a little immature thrill when things don’t go perfect for your pompous prigs.
With Brett Gardner on the shelf the whole year, A-Rod underperforming, Curtis Granderson striking out 190 times; injuries to Mariano Rivera, Michael Pineda, Andy Pettitte, etc… Derek Jeter had 216 hits, played shortstop almost every day, and scored 99 runs.
I get so sick of people knocking Jeter. “Oh, Jeter’s overrated!” Yes. Of all the players in the history of baseball with 3304 hits, 255 HR’s, 524 2B’s, 350 SB, and 1868 runs scored, Derek Jeter is certainly the most overrated.
Comment by waynetolleson — October 14, 2012 @ 10:12 pm
“How awesome would it be if they moved A-Rod to SS and he ended up World Series MVP?”
How awesome would it be if they moved David Ortiz to shortstop next year and he ended up leading the league in UZR and winning a Gold Glove?
Sure, it would be super awesome. But it’s not going to happen. A-Rod is way heavier now, and has a surgically repaired hip. He’s not in any shape to jump-in and play playoff caliber shortstop.
Comment by waynetolleson — October 14, 2012 @ 10:14 pm
“It’s still laughable. 3 hits does not make a career.”
A-Rod has three postseason hits since 2009. He had about three postseason hits between game three of the 2004 ALCS and the 2009 postseason.
His 2009 postseason was one for the ages. But A-Rod can’t handle pressure. If everything’s clicking and it’s just baseball, he’s fine. But once you’re in his head, A-Rod’s toast.
And now, he’s old and beat-up.
Comment by waynetolleson — October 14, 2012 @ 10:16 pm
The valuation of defense needs to be greater in a low scoring environment, which the Yankee playoff games certainly have been. In Game 2, one bobble of a double play relay would have cost the game, if the umpires were competent. Joe Girardi recognizes this, which is why he’s going with Nix.
Its true Ichiro should man up and not take advantage of the short porch, he should’ve said no let’s have a do-over that was a cheapie. Oh wait the Tigers are batting in the same stadium? How many singles and doubles drop in in other parks because the gaps are so huge and there’s tons of extra ground to cover? So much bitching about the short porch every single October I swear.
Comment by ElToroStrikesAgain — October 14, 2012 @ 11:03 pm
Ibanez has been having an all-time clutch post season, why would they ignore that? Future HOF/icon/Yankee captain lost for year? Who cares!!? Miguel Cabrera hasn’t had his ass kissed? Verlander? Come on. The obvious story of this series is the epic choking happening in the Yankee batting order. Cano, ARod, Granderson, Martin & Swisher have been historically bad.
Comment by ElToroStrikesAgain — October 14, 2012 @ 11:08 pm
Agreed. To wit, if Gardner is able to reasonably perform at the plate, I feel he should man left with Ichiro in right at this point.
Comment by ElToroStrikesAgain — October 14, 2012 @ 11:09 pm
The image of David Ortiz running out to shortstop and taking ground balls to start an inning makes me laugh to my very soul, as does Ortiz moving to the hole and throwing a runner out on the run.
Comment by John Smith — October 15, 2012 @ 4:32 am
I think that you have to put it into the context of how the Yankees have been playing, very poorly. Jeter is one of only a few Yankees who’s actually been hitting. So while over a long stretch the difference would be negligible in the short term a team that has struggled to score lost one of it’s hottest hitters.
Ichiro and A-Rod are HOFers, Sabathia would have to have something go wrong for him not to be, he’s been really good, Pettitte, is a borderline case, Tex was a one time candidate but given his recent decline I doubt it (although Hall voters might start to value defense more in the future) and Cano has put together a nice HOF peak in the last couple of seasons but he’s going to have to do it a lot longer. Problem is only two of those players CC and Cano were HOF caliber players this season.
Yankee Stadium is not an extreme ballpark, it has one extreme feature. Nobody gets all agitatedd about any of the other park factors in places that are way more run supportive/suppressive environments. This is just another way for angry Yankee haters to vent.
Actually Cano just set the single post reason hitless record… so the statement is pretty spot on if you throw in that ARod, Swisher and Granderson have struck out about 50% of their atbats and have maybe 2-3 hits between them all post season.
The Tigers have gotten plenty of coverage. The Miguel Cabrera fanclub circle jerk over the triple crown has at this point caused most people outside of Detroit to just not give a crap.
If one of the two players in your $200,000,000 lineup who is actually getting hits goes down, you probably are up the creek…. …nobody would be pretending this is hopeless for the Yankees if Cano and Swisher and Granderson and Arod were even performing a bit worse than what is expected of them. Instead those guys are all performing no better than what I, myself, could have provided to the Yankees.
I don’t think of Jon Heyman as being bad at his job, but I think of his job as being to obtain information about impending trades and signings and passing this information on to his readers – he’s good at this. This job, however, is not really a full time position most of the year. But during many parts of the year this isn’t enough to fill a regular column, so he writes opinion and analysis – neither of which I think are particularly insightful when he’s the source.
When his columns are fact (or rumor based) I read them, when he’s analyzing baseball or speculating I skip over those sections/columns.
…in low scoring games, scoring runs is important too. The equation remains the same, no matter the “run scoring environment”.
….if I were the manager I would take offense over defense in a single game. A player will usually get at least four chances to effect a game with his bat. On the other hand, often times players dont get any chances to make an impact with their glove (beyond routine plays that any other player would also have made). I would take the gamble that few difficult plays would be required. ….further unmade plays by shortstops only ever become singles, which have a low run expectancy.
YOU LOSE THE ONE GUY WHO CAN HIT AT (THINK BACK TO YOUR 2003 AND 2001 SERIES LOSSES- WHO WAS THE ONLY ONE DOING ANY HITTING AT ALL!) SO YOU THINK THESE BORING OVERRATED YANKEE CLUELESS PRIMA DONNAS CAN STILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES? DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH. THEY HAVE NOT HIT WITH MEN IN SCORING POSITON.ALL YEAR WHY NOW? THEY HIT A LOT OF HOME RUNS SO WHAT MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN STATS. I WOULD NOT WASTE MY TIME WATCHING. DO SOME MORE IMPORTANT THINGS FOR YOURSELF INSTEAD—LIKE PLANNING FOR YOUR FUTURE.