Do you think the Twins held back Harrison because Sano was playing 3rd in Beloit?
Comment by masonzippo — October 16, 2012 @ 1:53 pm
I really feel like Olt was rushed, he strikes out a lot, so skipping AAA seemed like a poor decision from a development standpoint. It also seems a shame that Olt will have to be moved across the diamond seeing as his defense at 3b is supposed to be good, is there any chance he could fake it in the OF for a couple of years until Beltre starts needing to DH/ play 1b? Of course this is a great problem for the Rangers to have, we have a great big league SS and 3b and also two really awesome prospects knocking on the door.
I’m not just a Sally guy anymore even though Rome is about an hour away. I still plenty of the SAL, but would have had to travel too far to catch Franco. He just isn’t enough of a high profile guy to warrant a special trip.
I’ve written a little about Jays guys from information provided by contacts, but they are a blind spot. Best way to get me to expand coverage and travel a greater distance is to keep supporting my work and spreading the word. More eyes equals more opportunity.
Yes, Olt has some red flags for me. I would have loved for one guy to be an easy decision for the top spot, but there isn’t a player on this list who doesn’t have a flaw. I’m not sure where Olt will end up, but not having him at 3B definitely hurts his value.
I read the introduction, so I’m not hating, but it might be helpful to list some of the notable players at each position that you did not see. That way there’s no guessing as to whether or not you omitted a certain player based on a low grade or something.
Comment by So You Know It's Real — October 16, 2012 @ 2:54 pm
That might be the reason, but they could have split time at 3B/DH. I like Harrison. He was a bit of a poor man’s Arenado to me.
Mike, I enjoy these lists — it’s a good balance to the volumes of discussion that are based on second-hand reports and too many hours looking at stats pages.
For next year, I’d highly recommend you check out Tulsa — the Rockies have basically completely given up trying to develop prospects in the altitude of Colorado Springs (which to a lesser extent affects their A+ team in the Cal league), so the key window for a lot of their top guys is AA. This year included Arenado and Rutledge (before his call-up), next year, Kyle Parker, Corey Dickerson, and possibly more advanced players from this year’s Asheville team.
Every 3B prospect I saw who was worth mentioning made the list. Same with every other position so far. I’ve read this request before, but readers must be able to think to themselves, “hmmmm, Castellanos isn’t listed, but Kyle Kubitza is. Mike must not have seen Castellanos.” No?
I’m not trying to be snarky, but I traveled to see all these guys and write about them from a 1st hand perspective. To ask me to then make a list of top 3rd base prospects who I haven’t seen goes pretty much against what I’ve always done which is to go out and see guys.
Whose list do I use? Where do I find the information? It’s essentially asking me to be Google searcher prospect guy to support a piece built from thousands of miles of travel and countless hours at the ballpark.
Here’s the thing Rusty, I see Asheville more than I care to now. I’ve seen and written about Parker and Arenado at length previously. I’ve also seen Dickerson as well. I have noticed the plethora of talent in the Texas League and I’d love to make the trip over. However, Tulsa would probably not be a stop given my ability to see plenty of Rockies guys.
Your Bichette comments are interesting because a big part of the Yankee reasoning for drafting him (as well as another 1st round pick Cito Culver) was a new focus on character and work ethic in their draft. Yet in all of the prospect write ups I see for Yankee prospects these kind of comments pop-up. Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez and now Dante Bichette all have questions of attitude/work ethic/make-up of some kind.
Every time these lists come out Mike says, explicitly, as he has with everything he has written on the site, that he will only talk about players he has actually seen in person with his two eyes. People, please get this in your heads and do not take it personally if there is a legitimate prospect you like that is omitted from something Mike writes (which again he mentions time and time again) because HE WILL ONLY WRITE ABOUT THOSE WHO HE HAS SCOUTED PERSONALLY.
Hey Mike, it doesn’t seem like there have been many Blue Jays prospects on these lists? Is that because you haven’t seen their teams as often, or are their position prospects just not very good, in your subjective opinion? .
I mentioned this in another comment. I rarely reference Blue Jays prospects because the closes affiliate is 7-8 hours from me. I rely on contacts for information on their prospects, but you won’t find that here since these lists are dedicated to guys I’ve seen.
to be clear, as he is now, I don’t consider Murphy very good, so any comp to Murphy I don’t find too flattering. this reminds me of the Nick Franklin-Adam Kennedy comp which I didn’t find very flattering either.
However, in both cases maybe you were trying not to be flattering, not really sure…
I know that this isn’t the normal thing you talk about or put much stock in, so i take your observation seriously. I was just observing that strong character is probably a flawed reason to draft a player. There is little you can find out about a 17 or 18 yo kid who lives with his parents by sitting down in a living room and talking to him, or from his coaches, that will let you know how he’ll respond to the pressures and grind of a baseball season. So maybe they should just draft on talent and relegate the character analysis to the back burner.
If it was just one day, I’ll wait before reading too much into the Bichette attitude issue. If it’s a meme… Well, folks in every field of endeavor fail to reach their potential. (On an unrelated note, I hear that Ryan Anderson turned out to be an excellent chef.)
He’s 19 at A ball, this was an aggressive promotion for him. After how successful he was in his debut I get wanting to get him into full season ball, but maybe he should have been working on his D in extended spring training and mashing at SI this year instead of struggling in Charleston. The power is there, it will come if and when he starts making better contact. I’m much more concerned about his D, the fact is that league average production for a 1b is just so much higher than 3b, his probability of being a big league player drops dramatically if he can’t handle the hot corner.
Given the fairly low upside of the guys on this list, I doubt that it would change his ranking, but I think you should stick with your own assessment of Olt. When I saw him in the Futures Game it reminded me of LaPorta’s AA season where he was being heavily hyped similar to Olt. I was shocked at how badly he was overpowered by the FB. Yes, those are the best prospects airing it out, but 90% of MLB relief pitchers throw that hard. It’s one thing for a guy to strike out a lot because he works deep counts and sits on the FB. When a guy strikes out as much as Olt because he’s swinging through the FB, that’s big problems.
Take a few minutes and look through Baseball America top-100’s over the years. Far fewer prospects – good prospects even – become the kind of players you seem to be expecting. Most fall short of the expectations of prospect followers.
You are right Preston. Bichette’s value would crater and he wasn’t a particularly good defender when I saw him. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for now, but you might find him on the 1B list next season.
my problem with this is that we aren’t talking about some generic or average prospect or what happens to the average B- prospect, say. We are talking about specific prospects and therefore, should be projecting them specifically, not what the typical prospect at a similar level turns into.
Liked your comments on Bichette. I live near the Kannapolis Intimidators and go there quite often. Made it a point to watch Bichette several times and was a little disappointed. Maybe I bought into the hype a little too much or just remembered how his dad played, but he never seemed to have solid at bats when I watched him.
As far as hustle on the field, he seemed to go after the ball with an aggressive attitude. I liked that part of his game.
As a Braves fan, I feel like we have a black hole at 3rd for prospects. Hard part will be not to judge their performances to Chipper. GREAT ARTICLE!
That’s not how it works. Sorry to disappoint. Scouts travel to games and players remind them of somebody else. Skill sets are rarely unique. That’s why scouting grades exist in the first place. When a player’s skills (IE Stanton’s power) is perceived as unique, it generates a ton of buzz.