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  1. I think AA’s previous trade history has shown he’s very averse to selling low on players, with the notable exception being Andrew Carpenter a few days ago.

    Comment by Petetown Matt — October 22, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  2. Escobar is not going anywhere. Rumors are pure speculation. When you listen to AA speak, it’s clear he’s planning to have Yunel around next year.

    Comment by kman — October 22, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

  3. “…it is worth wondering for a moment if — rightly or wrongly — there would be trade rumors about Escobar at the moment if he had done the same thing but had hit like he did in 2011.” – Bingo.
    Also, Matt, edit, edit, edit!

    Comment by Bad — October 22, 2012 @ 2:35 pm

  4. David Carpenter

    Comment by Bad — October 22, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  5. Thank you

    Comment by Petetown Matt — October 22, 2012 @ 2:42 pm

  6. Clubs vary pretty widely on their stances about trying to build family-friendly organizations, or valuing certain kinds of character. Different GMs and organizations have different risk tolerances. And they even vary just being in different rebuilding or contending situations, where they might try for bad contract swaps or problem players just to fill a need.

    I think each team’s situations varies too much to be able to get a read on what teams value overall, based on where Yunel or anyone else goes.

    Comment by Chris from Bothell — October 22, 2012 @ 2:46 pm

  7. When you listened to AA speak, it also sounded like John Farrell would be sticking around for the final year of his contract.

    Comment by Moonraker — October 22, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  8. I bet the A’s get him. Mark it down. Eminor3rd said the A’s end up with Yunel in 2013.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — October 22, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  9. Don’t forget about Travis Snider. I think that qualifies as selling low.

    Comment by tbjfan — October 22, 2012 @ 3:17 pm

  10. A’s have the prospects and could use a cheap veterans. I can plausibly seeing that to be true.

    Comment by tbjfan — October 22, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

  11. Why is there no mention of Escobar’s massive home/road splits, especially in 2011? Couple that with the sign-stealing allegations, and I’d call that a red flag.

    Comment by bwh — October 22, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

  12. Agree….they’ve got he Cuban connection too with Cespedes

    Comment by Andrew — October 22, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

  13. On the macro level yes, but Snider was called up before the trade and had been having a nice month or so.

    Comment by Petetown Matt — October 22, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  14. Probably because tinfoil hat level conspiracy theories don’t qualify as analysis.

    Comment by Joel — October 22, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

  15. I find this kind of funny, since there is massive problem with drunk driving seemingly in the MLB today and no one really calls players out for that.
    Matt Bush had to almost kill a man and get locked up in jail before clubs stopped offering him contracts. How about Miguel Cabrera’s obvious alcoholism, his domestic violence incident, his drunk driving incident, his restaurant assault incident? How about Josh Lueke and his rape incident, where he pleaded no contest to charges of illegal imprisonment just to keep the case from going to trial, he’s still got a job. How about Derek Lowe’s drunk driving arrest while drag racing, or maybe his arrest for hitting his girlfriend and then also violating a restraining order? I could go on forever.
    Bottom line, teams don’t care, it sucks, but they don’t. If a player is producing or even sometimes when they’re not producing there is nothing they can do that will make a team cut ties with them. It’s great PR to pretend otherwise though.

    Comment by yeah — October 22, 2012 @ 5:42 pm

  16. So yeah, if Escobar’s “moral or ethical issues” are enough to make a team get rid of him but all these things and many more aren’t for other players I’d say baseball really needs to reexamine their response to “moral or ethical issues”.

    Comment by yeah — October 22, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

  17. i agree with you in theory, but the two high profile distressed asset acquisitions might be coloring your opinion of his trade ability. also, for as lovely as the wells deal was, you have to consider that he then shipped me mike napoli for a bullpen arm.

    also…aaron hill was a sell low, no? low babip, high LD rates, and an outlier defensive season in 2011…fastforward 12 months and, well, he’s a 4+ WAR player again.

    Comment by jon daniels — October 22, 2012 @ 6:07 pm

  18. But Snider’s only levels are low and lower. And buffet.

    Comment by Cus — October 22, 2012 @ 6:37 pm

  19. I realize that “winning cures everything,” as they say, but you watch this Giants team play, and it appears that these guys really like each other. If Yunel Escobar is disliked by a large number of his teammates (and I don’t know if he is or not), then one would think that this impacts team performance in a negative way. I am also reminded of the fact that the 2011 Cardinals gave up Colby Rasmus (also to the Blue Jays) for what did not seem to be a whole lot in return and the Cardinals subsequently (coincidence or not) went on a tear down the stretch to make the playoffs and wound up winning the World Series. Having played a team sport myself, I believe that these things matter. Nonetheless, as others have pointed out, if Escobar is available for 30 cents on the dollar for such reasons, there will be any number of teams putting in low ball offers, given his age, his contract, and his recent high level of production.

    Comment by Robbie G. — October 22, 2012 @ 9:32 pm

  20. Aaron Hill had 2 years of pretty much nothing, not one, after a career year. He got Kelly Johnson, who was coming off one bad year after a good one.

    Adam Lind is now in almost exactly the same spot as Hill was, would you trade him for a full time player?

    Comment by Greg W — October 22, 2012 @ 10:54 pm

  21. I have been following the Yunel eye-black saga for some time. Enough time has passed that I have decided to create a new word to describe the reaction of some in the media and others in the fan-base: Homophobicphobia, the irrational fear of being branded homophobic.
    I don’t know what his presence in the clubhouse is. I don’t know what he will hit next year. But to throw away a net positive player with a friendly contract because of homophobicphobia just don’t seem right.

    Comment by jbailey — October 23, 2012 @ 1:11 am

  22. The a’s have been trying since last summer i think when they got drew instead. I think AA wanted AJ Griffin, to which i think beane responded that AA must like escobar more than he admits, because thats not happening.

    Comment by John Smith — October 23, 2012 @ 2:59 am

  23. Revisiting when Yunel Escobar was traded to the Blue Jays, many in the media attacked the Braves and even accused them of if not racism, then not understanding players from a Latin American background. I think it’s fair to say that the Braves were correct and that prejudice exists not with the Braves, with with Escobar. You won’t be seeing any corrections from the media. Same with the assumption that Roger Clemens was coming back to pitch to delay his HOF clock. Well, Clemens pitched, the Astros were intersted, in Clemens said I’ll see you as a coach next Spring. No corrections appeared.

    Comment by Rob — October 23, 2012 @ 3:04 am

  24. hard to fault him for hilll. dude seemed like he was pretty much done, at least offensively. i dont think anyone put hills shitty 2010 AND 2011 down as bad luck, and johnson was a very logical replacement at the time, as someone who had power, could draw walks, and needed a change of scenery. didnt work out, but at the time wasnt a horrible decision.

    Comment by Kevin — October 25, 2012 @ 12:40 am

  25. I’m thinking part of the reason why Hill got better in Arizona was because he got away from DM’s hitting philosophy (works on Jose and EE, but it’s not for everyone).

    His batting approach seemed to go back to his past self in Arizona.

    Comment by Frag — October 28, 2012 @ 11:21 am

  26. People were saying the same things about Yunel’s attidtude/personality in Cuba.

    Comment by Pinochio — November 1, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

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