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  1. I have a quick question. How can Granderson have such an amazing FRAR (25) while being rated as below average by the Fielding Bible?

    Comment by BK — September 8, 2008 @ 5:02 pm

  2. FRAR is useless.

    It’s also important to note that the Fielding Bible isn’t saying that Granderson “is below average”, but instead, that he’s caught a below average number of flyballs this year. Like any statistic, there’s noise involved, and there’s more than usual with defensive numbers. Just as we wouldn’t say Cliff Lee is really the best pitcher in baseball right now, even though his ERA says he is, the Fielding Bible isn’t saying that Granderson is below average.

    Comment by Dave Cameron — September 8, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

  3. You’re ignoring that Sizemore has a sizable advantage on the bases this year (whereas Granderson had the advantage last year). Grady still hits lefties better, though to Granderson’s credit he has greatly improved his hitting against LHP.

    I think that at the moment they are close to being equal in value (with Sizemore being a little bit better IMO), though going forward I’d predict Sizemore to put up better numbers because he’s younger.

    Comment by Steve — September 8, 2008 @ 6:39 pm

  4. Also, Dave, why wouldn’t you say that Cliff Lee is the best pitcher in baseball right now?

    He is killing everyone else in WPA, and it’s not like he’s doing it with a fluky BABIP or bad peripherals; his HR/9 rate is fantastic, and he’s leading the league in K/BB ratio. Plus, his IP/GS is very good; he’s a guy who will give you 7+ IP every start.

    Going into the future, sure, I’d take Halladay or Lincecum or Sabathia over Lee, but I think right now Lee is pitching better than just about anyone in all of baseball.

    Comment by Steve — September 8, 2008 @ 6:42 pm

  5. If the reason that Sizemore’s true talent level is 18 OPS points higher because of 2006, why are you suggesting it’s appropriate to throw it out? Also THT has both of Sizemore’s last 2 seasons as higher RC (which is supposed to be based on Base Runs now) than both of Granderson’s. Yes, its a lot closer than many thing, and there is an argument, but it’s still Sizemore.

    Comment by Chip — September 8, 2008 @ 11:18 pm

  6. Dave,

    I am interested in the disparity between Sizemore’s and Granderson’s stolen bases. Both seem to swipe the bag at the above the requisite 2:1 SB/CS ratio. Sizemore averages nearly 4:1, and Granderson (due to an inhuman 26:1 2007 year) is even better. Is there any way to factor their success on the basepaths into an OPS-like number? Do the extra bases make Sizemore that much better of an all around player?

    Also, does anyone know why Sizemore attempts the steal more often? Is he faster than Granderson?

    Comment by csiems — September 9, 2008 @ 11:08 am

  7. csiems, Granderson does not have the green light very often because Leyland wants to give the big bats a chance to knock him in. He does not have blazing spreed but he is faster than average.

    I’m a Tigers fan but I’ll be unbiased and say that Sizemore has a slight edge, mostly due to age. Granderson is very close though. The best news is that he hit lefties ok this year after really struggling against them last year.


    Comment by Lee Panas — September 9, 2008 @ 1:11 pm

  8. Chip–

    RC isn’t based on BaseRuns, they’re two separate things. They now base their Win Shares off of BaseRuns (instead of RC).

    Comment by dan — September 9, 2008 @ 5:05 pm

  9. I’ve talked with some Tigers fans who definitely have noticed a decrease in Granderson’s range — I’d like to see what they have to say about him there.

    If Grandy’s still a +20 run fielder and Sizemore’s in the +5 to +10 range, Granderson’s better. If Grandy’s really even down near Sizemore defensively, I’d still take Sizemore.

    Comment by Sky — September 9, 2008 @ 8:40 pm

  10. “Just as we wouldn’t say Cliff Lee is really the best pitcher in baseball right now…”

    I would. “Cliff Lee is the best pitcher in baseball right now.” … There I said it.

    and I am far from an Indians fan. I just appreciate great pitching when I see it.

    Comment by jt — September 10, 2008 @ 8:20 am

  11. Both great players, both have great future prospects. In the long run, Sizemore is likely to be more valuable because he is two years younger. While that’s accounted for in the updated Marcels, a typical aging pattern would suggest that Sizemore has more room to grow a few years down the line. Still, it’s so close that it’s hard to make the call one way or another.

    I’m hoping we see a pennant race in the next few years where both CFs put their teams on their backs.

    Comment by salb918 — September 10, 2008 @ 6:28 pm

  12. Thanks Lee. Still Sizemore beats Granderson in 07 and 08.

    Comment by Chip — September 10, 2008 @ 6:29 pm

  13. Chip, I’ve got Granderson better in 2007 thanks to his huge edge in fielding. For what it’s worth.

    Comment by Sky — September 12, 2008 @ 9:45 am

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    Comment by Indians Authentic Jerseys — March 23, 2009 @ 1:46 am

  15. If one takes a look at the Hardball Times rankings for best arms in baseball, which are not perfect but are the best empirical system we have right now, they will see that Sizemore does have the glaring weakness of a popgun for an arm. Granderson’s arm isn’t sparkling, but he is about 5 runs better than Sizemore, who isn’t much better than Juan Pierre.

    Comment by Alireza — March 23, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

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    Comment by brunton binoculars — July 16, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

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