FanGraphs Baseball


RSS feed for comments on this post.

  1. Why spend 3.5 mil on a mediocre prospect? The things that make Haren appealing to other teams should make him appealing to the Angels too. If he stinks or is league-average or whatever, it’s just one year of commitment, and the upside is an elite starter. If they bring Grienke back, that’s only one year they have to pay both of them.

    The answer seems simple: Keep him.

    Comment by Mr. Obvious — October 31, 2012 @ 1:31 pm

  2. you really believe harens 2013 upside is “elite starter” …?

    Comment by Sleight of Hand Pro — October 31, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  3. Considering he was worth 6 WAR in 2011 I’d say “elite starter” is pretty reasonable for his ceiling.

    Comment by Beau — October 31, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

  4. I think we’ve probably seen the best from Haren, unless he can regain 1.5 mph on his respective fastballs. But I wouldn’t put a 3 to 3.5 WAR season past him in 2013.

    Comment by Michael Barr — October 31, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  5. Well, his pre-injury FIP was excellent. Ergo, if you believe that his injury issues are behind him it’s not unreasonable to think his upside is a 4-5 WAR season.

    Additionally, Jake Peavy just got 2/29 from the White Sox despite a significantly worse track record of durability. The common thread seems to be that Peavy was usually worth ~2 WAR in down years, which is roughly what Haren was worth last year. So if a pitcher with a reasonable floor of 2 WAR just received $14.5M per season, Haren’s one-year option seems in line with what Peavy just got.

    Comment by Jon Sullivan — October 31, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  6. the only qualified starter (not named RA Dickey) who registered a 3 WAR season with a fastball below 89 mph was Jered Weaver — and Weaver has a much more dynamic repertoire (slider/change/curve).

    Comment by Michael Barr — October 31, 2012 @ 2:58 pm

  7. beau – that doesn’t matter when hes a completely different pitcher than he was in 2011.

    Comment by Sleight of Hand Pro — October 31, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  8. But if the Angels want to save the money–believing Haren to be a shell of his former self–trading him would make the most sense, especially if the money saved on Haren can be put toward re-signing Greinke. They wouldn’t be spending that $3.5-million on a mediocre prospect; they’d be spending it anyway on the buyout. If you’re going to spend it anyway, something is better than nothing.

    Comment by Travis Reitsma — October 31, 2012 @ 3:54 pm

  9. Maybe they can trade him to Baltimore for Joe Saunders.

    Comment by Hot Turd — October 31, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

  10. The Angels will pick up Haren’s option because:
    1. Santana is already out, leaving two rotation spots
    2. His upside suggests value in potential trade later on, in case they acquire a SP upgrade
    3. A decision on Greinke won’t come for months, and the Angels can’t afford to wait around — so they will either pick up Haren’s option or offer a multi-year deal to some tier 2/3 SP. Given the options, a reasonable 1 year deal for a proven winner makes infinitely more sense.
    4. They already have 1, maybe 2 youngsters (Richards, Maronde) ready to move into the rotation. Haren’s veteran presence will be a plus in such a case.

    Comment by Dixie Normous — November 1, 2012 @ 12:42 am

  11. Completely agree 100%. This situation with Greinke puts the team in a position that is very tenuous. Should he go elsewhere and Haren is gone, 2013 would be a lost year. The smart play is to pick up the option and go to work on Greinke. I also feel that Haren’s upside is to be a middle of the rotation rock, like he always has. The guy is too much of a battler to not come into the season looking to prove himself and put 2012 behind him.

    Comment by TheHeez — November 1, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  12. If I were Terry Ryan, I would be very interested in kicking the tires on Haren. While the Twins absolutely would benefit from having a true ace, they would benefit similarly by simply upgrading from 2012′s riffraff to Haren.

    The challenge, I think, would be for the Twins to find a prospect the Angels would value in exchange for taking their Haren decision away. Any thoughts?

    Comment by Stew — November 1, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  13. If that were possible, it would be the second time Jerry Dipoto traded Dan Haren for Joe Saunders. Saunders is a free agent this year though.

    Comment by msg333 — November 1, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  14. Everyone seems to forget that he had an amazing spring! You can see that his injury caused his velocity to dip and I would be surprised if he kept pitching with that same injury all season. Keep him

    Comment by Joe — November 2, 2012 @ 2:50 am

Leave a comment

Line and paragraph breaks automatic, e-mail address never displayed, HTML allowed: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>

Current ye@r *

Close this window.

0.099 Powered by WordPress