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  1. Just because New York or Boston wasn’t in the series isn’t enough to say that we shouldn’t be surprised at lower ratings. True, San Fransisco is not a big city but the greater Bay Area is probably the 4th or 5th biggest market in the nation. And Detroit is a popular and storied team with plenty of superstars including the AL MVP, a recent Cy Young winner, and the biggest Free Agent acquisition of the year.

    Plain and simple: it was a boring series, especially compared to the theatrics of last year.

    Comment by Matt K — October 31, 2012 @ 11:06 am

  2. I pray he isnt the MVP

    Comment by RJ — October 31, 2012 @ 11:08 am

  3. ESPN probably doesn’t want postseason TV ratings to improve, at least until they have the broadcast rights, correct? So we can “look forward to” Yankees-Red Sox on Sunday night at least 10 times a year. Great read- thanks, Wendy!

    Comment by Razor Shines — October 31, 2012 @ 11:12 am

  4. I wonder if the expanded playoffs are both a cursing and blessing in terms of ratings. Ratings were very good in the early rounds and only went down for the Series. Having the expanded playoffs is good for revenue because it gets more teams involved and increases potential storytlines. However, the expanded system also means that the teams that have compiled the best records often don’t wind up in the Series, meaning that the Fall Classic has involved so-so teams that don’t have as large a following. I don’t know for certain that ratings would have been better had the Nationals and/or Yankees been involved, but I do think there is a sense among general baseball fans that the teams involved in the World Series are not exactly the best.

    Comment by Paul Zummo — October 31, 2012 @ 11:14 am

  5. I think the point is still that only a fraction of the nation followed those teams on a regular basis. Neither the team has built a large contingent of fans outside of the local area, big as the local areas may be, and aren’t shown regularly enough to out of market areas to gain the exposure necessary for non-fans to be excited about seeing either team in a WS. 162 games is a long time to forget about Fielder, and Cabrera is an interesting story if you follow baseball, but the fact is he still doesn’t have the notoriety of a Pujols or Hamilton. That may change going forward (as well it should) but its true now. The result is that for those who follow the sport very closely there were interesting story lines, that where all somewhat mitigated by the early demise of better ones. Trout didn’t lead the Angels into the WS, The Cards didn’t capitalize on the ridiculous one game play in, the As couldn’t take Beane to the WS. That leaves some of the storyline watchers and the local fans, because Nationally its really hard to pay attention to teams that you only see play once or twice a year out of 170 some odd days of baseball.

    Comment by deadpool — October 31, 2012 @ 11:15 am

  6. Weak teams, plain and simple. I wasn’t a believer in the Tigers even before they were running out the replacement-level corner outfield, and the Giants’ offense was riding Marco f’ing Scutaro through the playoffs. I hate the Yankees, but they were basically the only team that was recognizable as a World Series contender going into the postseason.

    Two mediocre teams can produce a brilliant World Series, but this year Detroit never woke up from their layoff so we got to see Bad Team A walk over Bad Team B and it wasn’t worth watching.

    Comment by Sparkles Peterson — October 31, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  7. According to Neilsen, SF is in the 6th biggest market – Detroit is the 11th. Both were also represented on ESPN’s Sunday nights this year, fairly often for both if I recall (I should check the schedule, I guess).

    I think you’re dead on – it was a boring series, at least for the fringe fan.

    Comment by Chris — October 31, 2012 @ 11:21 am

  8. That touches on my reply from earlier, we saw a lot of more interesting stories die off early, which probably kills some of the enthusiasm for the World Series. Starting before the playoffs, the Angels failed to make a run at the playoffs behind Trout. Then the Rangers don’t get a chance at redemption after several WS failures. The Os can’t cap their cinderella season and the As can’t take Beane to the WS. On the NL side, Chipper’s last season ends in a one game playoff that I think most agree is a bad idea on general principle. The Cards can’t capitalize on that to attain back to back WS appearances, but first they knock of the NL powerhouse/pre-season dark horse Nationals.

    The story lines we’re left with are the Giants trying to get it done without Melky, who was more or less forgotten by the playoffs, and team in an historic city that may or may not be dying. What we got kind of pales in comparison to what we lost along the way.

    Comment by deadpool — October 31, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  9. All very good points. Smaller and mid market teams do need more exposure, but the best thing for a series is drama. Cards/Rangers aren’t exactly two historic rivals or big market teams, but they garnered ratings due to some absurdly entertaining games. The Giants/Tigers series was an absolute bore.

    Comment by Jibraun — October 31, 2012 @ 11:23 am

  10. I listened to the World Series on Giants and Tigers radio because of Joe Buck and Tim McCarver. Will stats be released for MLB Gameday Audio vs MLBTV?

    Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — October 31, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  11. Not much by way of run-scoring, sweep series, no big-name East Coast teams = low ratings.

    The ratings were lower than last year, but much less so if you remove Game 6 and Game 7. No surprise, the drama of a close series brings the ratings.

    Comment by bill — October 31, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  12. I am a diehard baseball fan, and will watch the World Series regardless of who is calling the game. But Tim McCarver has been irritating the hell out of me for the last decade. A broadcasters job is to fill dead air, but he fills it in a way like hes talking to a 1st grader about the game. It’s only one factor, but I enjoy the TBS games moreso than the Championship and World Series games, not due to the game itself and talent on the field, but because of who is calling the game.

    Comment by Nick Doyle — October 31, 2012 @ 11:26 am

  13. Postseason broadcasting is the lousiest broadcasting all year, with the exception of Don Orsillo and John Smoltz. Gary Darling’s ok I guess, although he put his foot in his mouth with the “Jeter’s ok. I’m sure he’s okay” gas. Commercial breaks seemed to be longer too, so when the bullpen gets cooking, and with Joe Buck and Jim Johnson’s hapless droning, its tough to stay up. I was asleep by the 6th inning of every playoff game I think.

    Comment by payroll — October 31, 2012 @ 11:27 am

  14. I did the same thing. To me, this is a big weakness in using TV ratings to rate the popularity of a sporting event. For one, sports uniquely lend themselves to radio (particularly baseball) and can be enjoyed even when a TV is nowhere to be found. This further distorts the antiquated systems used to rate TV in general which probably somewhat undersells an even like the WS through sampling bias alone. I just don’t know that TV ratings are really a metric that makes sense when it comes to baseball popularity.

    Comment by deadpool — October 31, 2012 @ 11:29 am

  15. MLB has made things so convoluted with the expanded playoffs, I think casual fans lose interest the further out it goes. Here’s an idea: best team from the AL plays best team from the NL. Yankees vs Nationals.

    Comment by Dan The Man — October 31, 2012 @ 11:40 am

  16. Two words: Tim McCarver. Get him off the air.

    Comment by joe — October 31, 2012 @ 11:40 am

  17. Since when are San Francisco and Detroit small-market teams?

    I completely agree that people outside of their markets don’t get much of a chance to see these teams, but both are dominant teams in huge media markets–and can spend the money to acquire top-line stars.

    This series had the reigning AL MVP/Cy Young, a triple-crown winner, and a multiple NL Cy Young (granted, not pitching well), not to mention Prince Fielder and Buster Posey.

    The two teams brought plenty of star power but Wendy is correct to point out that casual fans are too often sucked into Yankees/Red Sox/their local team and stars are not really “stars” unless they are on one of the two (and maybe the Dodgers or Cubs in a good year).

    Comment by Chris — October 31, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  18. I feel like the fact that both teams in the WS were far from the best in their league detracted from the legitimacy of the event. It’s not really a problem you can solve, but I would have been far far more excited to see the Nats or Reds play the Yankees or A’s, just as a fan of baseball. The fact that it was a sweep, another thing that can’t be helped, also made me not feel real excited to be watching.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — October 31, 2012 @ 11:46 am

  19. Hey, I would have loved to watch the world series.

    But Major League Baseball didn’t give me the opportunity to watch it because it is blacked out on If they want more viewers, they should make it easy for people to give them money to watch it.

    Comment by Zvazda — October 31, 2012 @ 12:07 pm

  20. At least some people seem to have the idea that being a fan of a team and not a sport is a bad thing. But realistically, that’s the way most baseball fans operate. I’ll proudly admit to it. If it doesn’t affect my team in some way, I probably don’t care, or care only a little. From that perspective, it makes perfect sense to ignore a World Series that doesn’t involve your team.

    Are regular-season TV decisions driving people to ignore teams outside their rooting interests? I sort of doubt it. I think it’s just a good time to be a fan of a baseball team, because it’s pretty easy to see almost all your team’s games, whether you’re in their market or not.

    Comment by Anon21 — October 31, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  21. This. It probably contributes more to MLB’s lack of ratings than anything else. People in the US who won’t pay for both internet and cable TV because of how redundant they can be can’t watch the playoffs without stealing it or going to a bar or friend’s home (which is an imposition on weekdays). If started broadcasting the playoffs (even with Fox’s advertising) the eyes on the product might increase quite a bit. I’ve had a problem with the blackout clauses in MLB’s contract for a while. Besides perhaps the affiliates, who has an interest in keeping the TV broadcasts (including commercials) off the net?

    Comment by LTG — October 31, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

  22. I wish the SAP button on my remote worked for Fox Broadcasts. I’d rather brush up on my Spanish than listen to McCarver. I’ve always had a soft spot for Buck, and felt like with a better color commentary guy…he could be solid.

    Comment by Jibraun — October 31, 2012 @ 12:19 pm

  23. I live in San Francisco and watched every moment of the Series — except for the tiresome promotions, when I had to turn the sound off. Fox doesn’t have any control over the discount double-check ad airing until it induces nausea. But during the game, the Taco Bell CEO interview, the Chevy trophy, the FanCave, the in-game ads for Fox programs, the Fox sub-stars singing the anthem — it’s too much, and if I were a casual fan, instead of just turning the volume off, I might have turned the game off.

    Comment by oira79 — October 31, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  24. If you think that the Giants and the Tigers are Bad teams, you have some seriously high standards.

    Comment by Jaack — October 31, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

  25. We should probably also look at what else was going on surrounding the series. Games 1 & 2 had normal, favorable conditions for television viewing (weeknight, minimal sports competition save for a Thursday night NFL game). Game 3 was on a Saturday, the worst day of the week for TV ratings, and was also up against a full slate of College Football, including a big ratings game in Oklahoma vs Notre Dame. Game 4 was on a Sunday up against a fairly big Sunday Night Football game. When half of the series is played on the weekend against stiff other-sport competition, it seems like it would be pretty tough for the aggregate average number of viewers to increase (especially when compared to a series that went 7 games).

    Comment by Jonny's Bananas — October 31, 2012 @ 12:41 pm

  26. I watched the entire playoffs from my computer – maybe I should shut up about this because if MLB wanted to they could use other ways of determining the location of the viewer, but if you use a high speed VPN connection you can ‘appear’ to be outside the US and watch all the games you want on MLB.TV without blackouts.

    I used Unblock Us to skirt the blackout rules. It’s really easy, costs $5 a month and the quality is excellent. Pass it on. Blackouts are for the technically uninclined.

    Comment by fergie348 — October 31, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  27. Coming soon: Entire World Series broadcast on ESPN and ESPN2…they’ll spend the entire regular season shoving the Yankees and Red Sox down our national throats like they always do, and then act completely perplexed at the low ratings from when Midwestern AL team meets West Coast NL team in the World Series. Good thing ESPN has no control over the Super Bowl, or else you’d have an entire nation jumping ship because of the distinct lack of Tim Tebow.

    Comment by KCDaveInLA — October 31, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  28. If you love baseball, then a little league game is fun to watch.

    12.7 million people watched on average, and since supposedly San Francisco and Detroit are small cities on your planet, that means a lot of non-SF, non-Detroit people were watching.

    People have a choice– if you don’t want to watch it, it’s ok with me, just keep the noise down. Let’s not assume that everyone agrees the series was boring and the teams sucked. There was lots of good baseball happening, but perhaps this was not obvious to the uneducated. I hate the way they tell you the ratings were down as though people are supposed to feel guilty about it somehow.

    In SF the cognoscenti turned down the bloviaters on Fox and listened to Jon Miller et al. Buck and McCarver should just STFU. And why I have to put up with TBS for my baseball I don’t know. I mean, they’ve got David Wells doing ‘analysis’ in the studio. I am not going to watch that shite.

    Despite the arcane blackout rules, life has never been better for baseball fans. I can listen to any game I want on my phone, while gardening. Dour comments on the Series ratings are of no import.

    Comment by dave — October 31, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  29. A broadcasters job is to fill dead air

    The converse of this is precisely why listening to Vin Scully is so pleasant. I never get the fealing that’s he’s talking just to avoid silence. Long pauses are not uncommon from him, which is refreshing. Listening to some announcers is exhausting, whereas Scully is generally relaxing.

    I can’t help to think of how some modern announcers would have been screaming during Kirk Gibson’s home run, as opposed to Scully shutting up and just leaving crowd noise.

    Comment by rageon — October 31, 2012 @ 1:10 pm

  30. There was also a hurricane headed for the Northeast. Power likely wasn’t affected yet, but I’d imagine plenty of baseball fans were distracted Sunday night.

    Comment by Pitnick — October 31, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  31. People can make all the excuses they want, but it’s apparent in 2012 that most teams in MLB only have regional followings in their specific geographic area and outside of that area don’t draw in viewers. If the NFL’s playoffs ever got these ratings, there would be panic in the streets by the broadcast networks.

    Basically outside of the NFL almost all the sports now are regional affairs, with a few hardcore national fans that will watch anything put on television. The problem is I doubt the NFL model can be applied to MLB. They hold a unique position in the culture solely because everyone in the country happens to have their main broadcast day, Sunday, off from work and can relax watching their games. Following MLB is a 7-month long process now that is much harder to commit to when the free time of the middle class is declining more than ever.

    Comment by Phantom Stranger — October 31, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  32. If you look at the rating splits, which I’m disappointed in fangraphs for not providing, the ratings were higher than in previous years until the Giants pummeled Verlander out of game 1. The rating were low overall because the series was essentially over by the 5th inning of the first game.

    Comment by Peter — October 31, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  33. Wish I could have listened to Jon Miller. He is incredible compared to the frequently wrong yet highly opinionated McCarver. Listened to most of the series via espn radio to avoid the Fox team.

    Comment by MFYG — October 31, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  34. you must not have seen the reds nlds series or the cards nlcs series.

    Comment by Sleight of Hand Pro — October 31, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

  35. Can’t speak for Detroit, but SF, my 2nd-favorite team, was very rarely, almost never shown in my area, Cincinnati. If they weren’t one of my favorites, nor an underdog like Oak or Bal, I might not have watched the series myself.
    My favorite team, Tampa, now a perennial contender, was on much more, but only because they play the Yankees a lot.
    I’m sure many fans who, like myself can’t afford the MLB packages, get discouraged and drop out.

    Comment by Baltar — October 31, 2012 @ 1:28 pm

  36. Increasingly it seems like if it’s not New York, Boston, or Chicago, then people automatically assume it’s a “small” market. And this couldn’t be further from the truth, of course. Really those three are just the biggest of the big.

    Comment by Ryan — October 31, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  37. I think you missed the point. For the ratings to come back, the Tigers would have had to make a series out of it. They never did. Every moment on the field after the fifth inning of game one simply added to the viewer expectation of the series being over. You’d have to see the ratings splits to realize this, I guess,.

    Comment by Peter — October 31, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  38. If the affiliates lose local ad revenue, they may choose to stop showing the games and screw fans who don’t want to pay for but do have cable/satellite.

    This year, I wanted to see Oklahoma-Kansas State, a national FOX broadcast between two top 15 teams. Since my local affiliate decided to show a lower division game from a local team, I had to drive 90 miles to escape my local broadcast market. There were no satellite, cable, or legal online options since it was a “national broadcast”.

    Start costing the local affiliates some of their ad money by allowing online distribution and decreasing offline viewership, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see this happen on a semi-regular basis. While that may not matter to hardcore fans willing to pay for, it would be detrimental by decreasing accessibility and interest of the casual fan.

    Comment by BenS — October 31, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  39. I think its more that the impact of each game isnt determinative of the final result. Each individual game is “low leverage” so to speak until you build toward a game 6 or 7.

    If the Super Bowl was a 7 game series its ratings would be similar.

    Comment by Jason — October 31, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  40. Forgot to explicitly state my final point.

    Thus, this makes whoever is broadcasting the WS and MLB care about what the affiliates care about.

    Comment by BenS — October 31, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  41. I listened to Miller, along with Kruk, Kuip, and Flemming, for the whole postseason. Jon Miller is simply on another level. When he saw the replay of Pence’s triple-hit double in Game 7 of the NLCS, his first move was to draw an analogy to how a jai’alai pelota comes out of the cesta (racket) — terms which he naturally had at his fingertips. Love that guy.

    Comment by Graham — October 31, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  42. A Yanks Wash series would have been washed out by the hurricane so at least there’s that.

    Comment by Tim A — October 31, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

  43. I think some of these comments suggest two solutions/explanations, neither of which seem right:

    1. The World Series should be between the two best teams by record in the NL and the AL – Nationals and Yankees. But this seems more and more arbitrary as interleague play expands, and it misses out on what many other people like, the following…

    2. The best narratives come out of the connection between Cinderella stories and an extended playoff series – look at the A’s, the Cardinals, and the Orioles. But then it seems like the objection is just that the “wrong” Cinderella stories won out. But the playoffs are always somewhat random, and it’s a cost of allowing these Cinderella stories in that sometimes you get duds. This seems like a huge hindsight bias – who are we to say the A’s wouldn’t have gotten pummeled too in the World Series?

    With that being said, my dream would probably be to balance the schedule, remove divisions, and have a 4-team playoff of the teams with the best records with 11-15 game series.

    Comment by Daniel — October 31, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

  44. “Bad” = not the best teams in the playoffs.

    Comment by BJsWorld — October 31, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

  45. Neilsen ratings blow. They arn’t very representative of several demographics when watching regular shows, so I assume the same applies here with possibly more deviation from reality then they were with Firefly. Also how many people are watching WS games in a bar where they are not incorporated in those totals. Ratings are just like polling, and are subjective based on the demographics of who they are polling from. I would guess that there is as much or more then a +/- 3mm viewers skew when comparing reality to posted ratings.

    Comment by Tim A — October 31, 2012 @ 2:27 pm

  46. Isn’t the affiliate problem only a FOX problem? If MLB broke ties with FOX and the other networks, doesn’t this problem disappear?

    Comment by LTG — October 31, 2012 @ 2:42 pm

  47. Some of us prefer to use legal means where they are fairly coordinated and resort to illegal means when the private ordering fails. Hence, we would prefer a reform to the extant private ordering.

    Comment by LTG — October 31, 2012 @ 2:46 pm

  48. The Giants finished with 4 less wins than the Nationals. They won their division, running away. Saying they were “far from the best” – I expect better from you!

    Comment by Giants Fan — October 31, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  49. This, only football draws a national audience. Another factor is the “extras” with football like fantasy teams and betting, which don’t exist to near the same degree in baseball. With football, I might care about a stupid game even if a team is up 17 points because I want them to beat the 10 point spread.

    Comment by Giants Fan — October 31, 2012 @ 2:55 pm

  50. Tim, no, they’re not exactly representative, but they are comparable from year to year for a given product. I’m sure more than 12.7M people watched the Series, just like more than 21M watched in 2001. The point of using them is to show that viewership is down.

    Comment by Phrozen — October 31, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  51. Baseball is regional. Nobody knew about the athletics awesome story or cared because they weren’t covered. True the Yankees get more tv time because they get higher ratings, but that’s short term. In the long run, if more teams got exposure, then people might care about other teams. Instead you basically love your hometown team and generally hate the Yankees, red sox, and phillies.

    Comment by Antonio bananas — October 31, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  52. I agree, Vin is one of the best! Dead air was probably a harsh take. Keep the game flowing and engaging is more appropriate. Sometimes that can be done with silence, depending on the moment.

    Comment by Nick Doyle — October 31, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

  53. I believe it is as I only watch teams I care about.

    Comment by Kiss my GO NATS — October 31, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

  54. God I hate with a passion Yankee/Boston Games. I watch close to 100 baseball games every summer, but I will change the channel if the Yankees are playing Boston. Heck it is hard enough to sit through dull AL games, but to watch those tediously overpaid players go through the motions is just boring.

    Comment by Kiss my GO NATS — October 31, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  55. must be a cardinals fan!

    Comment by Kiss my GO NATS — October 31, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  56. I haven’t seen the rating splits you’re referring to but this does seem like the most plausible explanation to me. A series has to build up some drama to it to capture the casual fan (ie. those not already aligned to one of the teams in the series) and this one never did. It really has nothing to do with the quality of the teams involved. The casual fan wants to see a competitive series with a lot of lead changes and, let’s face it, a lot more runs than this series produced too. Aesthetically this series was the equivalent of the ’99 NBA Finals when the Spurs beat the Knicks 4-1 and held them to under 80 points per game in the process. The purist can appreciate that kind of defensive effort and teamwork but for the casual fan it’s just ugly and unwatchable.

    Comment by ElJimador — October 31, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  57. Yes, the ESPN radio guys are excellent actually.

    Jon Miller is incredible, and he hardly ever breaks out his absolutely uncanny Vin Scully impression. You have to catch him during a blow-out, particularly a spring-training blow-out.

    I happen to love the Detroit radio guys. Great voices.

    Comment by dcrowell — October 31, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

  58. I moved to Memphis 5 years ago, and it is really hard to watch baseball games here. So Hard, i actually have met a kid at a redbirds game (AAA) that did not even realize baseball on TV was even a thing. We blackout all Cardinal, Red, and Braves games. The only teams a kid a Memphis would ever care for outside Memphis. The closest of those 3 teams is 4 hours away in St. Louis. For some reason ESPN and FOX games are commonly blacked out regardless of who they play. The TV will claim that their are several choices for games, but none will be shown here. Seems like we only get games involving the Yankees, or Red Sox. I can get a few games a year off of WGN, but they are almost always day games during the week. I have never met a place in the US so baseball deprived. We have a very successful AAA team here with a giant high quality stadium that regularly sells out, so interest in baseball is not the problem, but rather the blackout rules making it real hard to be a regular fan!

    Comment by Kiss my GO NATS — October 31, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  59. @LTG

    I still don’t understand why there needs to be a conflict between and the local broadcasting ad rights. Just run the whole broadcast, ads and all. I too missed out on watching most of the WS because I just don’t have the interest in paying for cable. I’ll watch or ignore the ads like everyone else – just run them all the same.

    Comment by Chris — October 31, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  60. I stopped watching when no longer carried LCS games….they are really killing LCS and WS viewership by not allowing the audience to continue viewing like they have all season and all postseason up to that point.

    Negotiating the TV for 162 regular season games of my favorite team is tough enough. If i just want to have the WS on my ipad or whatnot why the hell not? Especially since these are national broadcasts what should the advertisers care if people view their commercials on a mobile device vs. via cable TV?

    Comment by Scott — October 31, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

  61. Leave the Yankees out of it for obvious reasons and imagine that the Reds or Nationals vs. the A’s had also resulted in a sweep in which the losing team couldn’t generate any offense at all and never took a lead in any game until the middle of game 4. You really think any more people would have watched that than the series we just saw? The casual fan doesn’t care whether the teams in the WS finished with 98 wins in the regular season, 88, or 108. They just want to see a competitive series and this one wasn’t.

    Comment by ElJimador — October 31, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  62. If the World Series has to schedule around football in October we might as well all give up now.

    Comment by Tim — October 31, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

  63. They are overpaid in a tedious fashion?

    Comment by Well Said — October 31, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

  64. Personally, after watching ~140 mariners games plus some cubs/whatever is on the national broadcast, I’m kind of burned out on baseball by October. Combine that with commercials taking way the hell to long, mccarver, and pitchers over thinking very pitch and taking forever combining to create a four hour game, I’m just not that interested.

    Comment by D.t. — October 31, 2012 @ 6:42 pm

  65. This, cut the riff raff, go straight to a Nats- Giants NLCS and A’s – Yankees ALCS. I’m pretty sure Yankee Stadium would be packed and casual fans + Yankee fans wouldn’t lose interest. We would have probably had a Giants – A’s world series, hows that for storyline? And i’m sure the A’s would have put up more of a fight.

    Comment by DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy — October 31, 2012 @ 6:56 pm

  66. For real!?? The one that was $5? That was only for the LDS? I guess i should have known there was a catch, for those of us thinking of dumping cable that sure stinks.

    Comment by DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy — October 31, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

  67. I could barely watch it and that was with a DVR while i could fast forward most of the garbage. NTM Fox has one of the worst HD pictures around, blah

    Comment by DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy — October 31, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

  68. I assume you mean Ron Darling. Gary Darling is an umpire.

    Comment by Mike — October 31, 2012 @ 7:05 pm

  69. If you are saying FOX Spanish Broadcasters are better than…. anyone that has ever spoke, you are mistaken. FOX LA (Latin America) commentators are a disgrace. They know nothing about the MLB, baseball or their native language Spanish. Luckily for us Mexicans, WS games in Mexico are also transmitted in ESPN and Televisa (México’s Biggest Network) with broadcasters that use Spanish in a correct way, and know that MAUER, the three time champion bat, is a different player than MOYER, the 567654 years old pitcher. Yes they are that bad.

    Comment by salo — October 31, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

  70. Do you really believe that the Nationals without Strasburg and the Reds without Cueto at the end were better teams than the Giants going in to the World Series? Or that the Jeter-less, offensively moribound Yankees would have made compelling viewing for anyone but Yankee fans? Face it, the Giants and Tigers got there because they were the best teams at the end, like it or not.

    Comment by ElJimador — October 31, 2012 @ 8:00 pm

  71. The best T-Shirt at the Giants Parade today:

    Joe Buck Yourself.

    Comment by anon — October 31, 2012 @ 8:14 pm

  72. I think a good question is, if the Texas Rangers had made it to the World Series, would the ratings for the 2012 edition have been lower than 2010?

    I can’t begin to speculate what the casual fan thinks, but I imagine that a Yankees fan would have a vested interested in a Red Sox World Series: they want the Red Sox to lose. I’m surprised then that San Francisco didn’t rope in the Los Angeles media market into their second World Series appearance in three years, but given the recent stagnation of the Dodgers and the embarrassment of the Angels, it’s possible that the intra-California rivalries aren’t what they used to be.

    Comment by Petruchio — October 31, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  73. Actually, you can watch it with just an antenna in most parts of the country, no subscription to anything required. (Yeah, you have to have an ATSC tuner in either your computer or TV, but that’s neither unlikely nor expensive). Since I don’t have cable, I went to a bar for the division games and the NL series, but I watched the ALDS and WS at home (with the sound off, of course). Though that’s a bit of a lie, since I listened to parts of several games on ESPN radio (which was a wonder of sanity compared to trying to listen to Fox)

    Comment by joser — October 31, 2012 @ 9:07 pm

  74. ALCS was available on It’s how I watched Tigers-Yanks.

    Comment by Fonda — October 31, 2012 @ 9:48 pm

  75. Last three games were 2-0, 2-0, 4-3. Shouldn’t that be enough?

    Comment by Dogfish pride, bro — October 31, 2012 @ 10:24 pm

  76. Many good points above, but here’s another angle:

    For 30 years or so, WS games have been scheduled at prime time EST, thereby insuring that a few generations of 10-15 year old boys would never acquire the inclination to drop everything, including class, to catch a post- season game. Now those kids aren’t around for the WS, and folks wonder why not.

    Comment by Sabertooth — October 31, 2012 @ 11:00 pm

  77. I believe that the Giants were quite possibly the weakest playoff team in the NL, but I don’t think any of the NL teams were recognizable as World Series contenders. I hate the Yankees and wouldn’t have watched a SF/NY series, but they were the only team I saw measuring up to most past winners.

    Comment by cpebbles — October 31, 2012 @ 11:09 pm

  78. I find Buck far more grating than McCarver. I find McCarver to be funny at times. Buck is terrible in every facet. A shame, really, as his dad was one of the greats.

    Comment by Scott — November 1, 2012 @ 12:00 am

  79. Pebbles you’re an East Coast cunt.

    Comment by sgs — November 1, 2012 @ 12:37 am

  80. brian anderson and ron darling was my favorite crew, and i can’t understand why anderson isn’t used throughout the playoffs instead of only one NLDS

    Comment by jim — November 1, 2012 @ 2:07 am

  81. @LTG The affiliate problem can happen to any broadcast network (e.g., ABC, CBS, NBC). They technically don’t have to run anything they don’t want to. My local CBS skipped the first hour of the Masters on Sunday for instance in favor of airing a local church service. It wouldn’t be a problem with a cable channel like TNT, ESPN etc since they don’t have affiliates.

    @Chris That’s possible but would make the streaming process more difficult as you’d need hundreds of different streams (there are 229 different FOX affiliates) during commercials to provide the right local ads to the right geographical regions.

    Comment by BenS — November 1, 2012 @ 10:36 am

  82. Cpebbles, “Measuring up to past winners” = wearing pinstripes and having the most names you recognize from past postseasons (even if the players like ARod and Pettitte are now shells of their former selves) because you haven’t actually watched and don’t know squat about any of the other teams you’re ragging on.

    Comment by ElJimador — November 1, 2012 @ 10:37 am

  83. meant to respond to the thread above this one.

    Comment by BenS — November 1, 2012 @ 10:38 am

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