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  1. Great post. In today’s chat there seemed to be a lot of hoopla about Jones winning, which he should not have, and too much attention given to this award, which in your words is “worthless” (or something like that, but it is true whatever negative word you used). However, props must be made to the winners who, in the context of advanced defensive statistics, deserved the award, which is at worst 6 out of 8. I’m pretty surprised the voters did this well with it all things considered.

    Comment by Tyler — October 31, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

  2. IMO the 2nd worst snub is Michael Bourn. Heck the entire braves OF could have won them.

    Comment by Josh — October 31, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

  3. We don’t know for certain if Brendan Ryan is better defensively than JJ Hardy? Really?

    Comment by Katal — October 31, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  4. Andrew McCutchen (-5 DRS, -6.9 UZR) over Michael Bourn (24 DRS, 22.4 UZR) was also a pretty embarrassing mistake.

    Comment by Anon21 — October 31, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  5. Congratulations, Gold Glove winners and voters. There, happy?

    If you start from the proposition that defense is the hardest aspect of baseball value to quantify then it makes sense that the historical variance between observed and awarded quality is higher for the GGs than other awards. We can apply rocket science to baseball but that won’t populate the dugouts with rocket scientists. These guys are doing the best they can with whatever guts, tea leaves, knucklebones, or gritrics they’ve got, and we shouldn’t mock them to their faces till they’re dead.

    But mockers be mockin.

    Comment by Tomrigid — October 31, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

  6. We don’t know for certain that Brendan Ryan performed better defensively than J.J. Hardy in 2012. This isn’t a true talent evaluation contest – it’s an award for performance over a six month period.

    Ryan’s probably a better defensive SS than Hardy. Cliff Lee is probably a better pitcher than Wade Miley. I’m not going to freak out if someone votes for Miley over Lee on their Cy Young ballot, and I’m not going to freak out because someone voted for Hardy over Ryan on their Gold Glove ballot. It’s hair splitting between guys who had great years.

    Comment by Dave Cameron — October 31, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  7. At least there was no Jeter GG as SS this year, though Jones winning in CF is just as egregious as any GG Jeter ever “won.”

    Comment by Johnhavok — October 31, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  8. Actually it’s probably the #1 snub. Bourn had a +22 UZR this year, highest mark in all of baseball (Heyward was #2)

    Comment by Steve 1 — October 31, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  9. Oh and Prado was #4.

    Comment by Steve 1 — October 31, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  10. Until the time comes when awards are given based on just the numbers, and we do away with the voting. We will have mockers and disagreements. Even then people will not realize these types of awards mean nothing. But they are something to argue about.

    Comment by AverageMeansAverageOverTime — October 31, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  11. While I agree that Jeter has never deserved a Gold Glove that he has won, I would not go so far as to call each time he won the award as “egregious.” In 2009, a year Jeter took home the award, he had a UZR/150 of 8.0, behind both Andrus (13.5) and Izturis (12.1). While I am not arguing Jeter is even in the same class as either in terms of defense, I think that Jeter has at least one Gold Glove (in 2009 even though he did not deserve it), he won “non-egregiously.”

    Comment by Tyler — October 31, 2012 @ 3:16 pm

  12. It’s egregious that he’s won FIVE of them.

    Comment by Steve 1 — October 31, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  13. I hope they mean nothing. As an O’s fan, I would hate for Adam Jones to drink his own Kool Aid and not work on improving his defense.

    They also potential mean something when it comes to arbitration. Will Trout be awarded less in arbitration because he won’t have 3 GGs by that time? Of course, any sane GM would try like hell to make sure he doesn’t reach arb.

    Comment by Zach — October 31, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  14. Jimmy Rollins over Clint Barmes was pretty bad too. I agree that Bourn was the biggest snub.

    Dave say’s it is meaningless, but it isn’t. Guys have contract incentives based on this stuff and hall of fame voters look at it.

    Comment by Pirates Hurdles — October 31, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

  15. @Steve1. Yea no debate here on that, just that one specific year wasn’t a total blunder by the voters.

    Comment by Tyler — October 31, 2012 @ 3:34 pm

  16. They should have just given them to the Braves team. All three outfielders, Andrelton Simmons in anticipation of his imminent reign, Greg Maddux (in memorium), etc.

    Comment by JT — October 31, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

  17. Uh oh. So this will burt Barmes’ Hall of Fame chances.

    Comment by maguro — October 31, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  18. Just based on this year, it would seem as though gold glove voters have a good concept of what good defense is at every position except CF.

    Comment by colin — October 31, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

  19. Actually I hope that the Pirates end up paying less for Barmes services than they would others because, the lord knows, they need whatever help they can get!.

    Comment by Kiss my GO NATS — October 31, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

  20. Yes Adam Jones winning was a pretty bad call. I watched just about every O’s game and can say without question that it was a poor choice to give it to AJ over Trout. I don’t have the whole stats but based on my eye, Trout was so much better it’s not even close. Sorry AJ, but you really need to work on routes you take, especially in Yankee stadium in Oct. Still think AJ make some great plays and because of him playing shallow his numbers get skewed, but he’s got some work to do.

    Hardy on the other hand I believe was a good choice. Now I don’t see Ryan that much, but JJ made just about every play throughout the year. He shocked me how good he was. He isn’t always pretty but any ball hit his way I thought would be an out by August. You just learned to believe he was making every play that was humanly possible. I am happy he won.

    And Wieters, well he’s just a defensive machine. Now if he could only remember he was supposed to hit…

    Comment by O's Fan — October 31, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  21. To be fair McCutchen did hit a lot more HRs than Bourn.

    Comment by James — October 31, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  22. Brendan Ryan will always have a Gold Glove in my heart. Seriously! Go look at Sullivan’s .gifs at lookout landing!! What a bunch of shiza.

    Comment by Justin Smoaked Cheese — October 31, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

  23. But that was surely a broken clock situation.

    Comment by TK — October 31, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  24. Would it have been that hard to reproduce your UZR/DRS table for the NL winners? It frames the conversation so much better when you actually show the stats rather than just referencing the players, assuming all readers know the defensive reputations/stats for the winners.

    Comment by Nivra — October 31, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  25. Now Brendan
    save the last run
    ..for me!

    Comment by Arquimedes Bozo — October 31, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  26. To be fair, I believe the awards are position specific and Prado played about 30% of the time outside of LF.

    Comment by TK — October 31, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  27. You’re probably right but the numbers are the numbers. I look at season-to-season uzr/150 like I do FIP. Wont paint the whole picture, but is informative when describing what did happen as opposed to what has/ will happen. Some years a pitcher gives up a ton of homeruns for whatever the reason, and this total is out of whack with the pitcher’s career, and some players will post above-average UZR/150s that are way higher than what the fielder normally does.

    Comment by Tyler — October 31, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

  28. spit take

    Comment by MFYG — October 31, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  29. So I immediately said to myself, “Well, Carlos Gonzalez unfortunately wins again.” However, look at the starting left-fielders in the NL…..

    Martin Prado(ATL), Ryan Ludwick(Cincy), Carlos Gonzalez(COL), Ryan Braun(MIL), Michael Morse(Wash), Jason Bay(NY), Juan Pierre(PHI), Logan Morrison(MIA), Alex Presley(PIT), Alfonso Soriano(CHI), J.D. Martinez(HOU), Melky Cabrera(SF), Jason Kubel(ARZ), Bobby Abreu(LA), Matt Holliday(STL), and Carlos Quentin(SDP).

    What a group that is……..I know Prado played roughly 30% of his games elsewhere, but he was definitely the best defender of that group. Not much to choose from there…..

    I’d say Bourn, Prado, Trout, Barmes, and Ryan were the biggest snubs

    Comment by Undocorkscrew — October 31, 2012 @ 4:43 pm

  30. The Brewers continue the amazing run of 30 years without a Gold Glove.

    (and more importantly… a World Series)

    Perhaps the two are linked. And as a Brewers fan of almost 40 years I can’t really even say that the voters were wrong. I thought maybe Aramis Ramirez might win this year but no. If Carlos Gomez gets 150 games next year by managing to show this was not a fluke season, then he has a chance in 2013.

    Comment by Doug B — October 31, 2012 @ 4:45 pm

  31. Fielding Bible write up on Brenden Ryan:

    Shortstop – Brendan Ryan, Seattle
    Brendan Ryan is the best defender in baseball. Period. Make that double period. His has saved 67 runs for his teams defensively over the last three years, the highest total among all players. The next highest runs saved total is not even close (Michael Bourn, 51). Ryan led all shortstops in 2012 with 27 runs saved, led in 2011 with 18, and finished second in both 2010 and 2009 with 22 runs saved each year. Seattle recognizes the value of Ryan’s defense, and that’s why they keep putting him out there day after day despite his .194 batting average during the 2012 season. It will be interesting to see if the American League coaches and managers, who vote for the Gold Glove Awards, can look past Ryan’s offense and base their ballot on his defense alone. This has been one of the problems with the Gold Glove voting—a certain amount of offense has always been required for what should be a defense-only award. Gold Glove voting has never allowed for a position player hitting below the Mendoza line to win a Gold Glove. Hopefully Ryan will be the first.

    Comment by Slats — October 31, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

  32. At least Derek Jeter did not win.

    Comment by JS7 — October 31, 2012 @ 4:52 pm

  33. It was an ugly bunch to be sure but Carlos Gonzalez ranked worst of the bunch by the stats I’ve seen. Perhaps Jason Bay should get extra credit for the number of fly balls he’s hurt himself on.

    Comment by jon — October 31, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

  34. It’s scheiße, or scheisse. The more you know!

    Comment by sadMarinersfan — October 31, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  35. Ryan Braun didn’t win his gold glove because the voters believe his fielding performance was enhanced PEDs.

    I was joking. But in reality maybe he did in fact lose because of that. Perhaps people just don’t want to award him anything now. He even lost the Hank Aaron Award to a catcher.

    He didn’t really deserve a gold glove but he wasn’t bad. And if this were the 90′s they would have handed this thing to him. A left fielder who wasn’t bad and hit .300+ with 40+ homers? Sure… gold glove!

    Comment by Doug B — October 31, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  36. it should require enough offense to stay on the field. Belanger managed 8 gold gloves despite his .580 career OPS.

    Comment by Doug B — October 31, 2012 @ 5:07 pm

  37. Actually, if this were the ’90s the Gold Gloves would be for “outfielders,” and no corner OF would have won.

    Comment by Anon21 — October 31, 2012 @ 5:32 pm

  38. Maybe he was referring to the russian language film shiza: In fights without rules, there is no rule that says: “Until first blood!” Brendan don’t mind gettin bloody!

    Comment by Arquimedes Bozo — October 31, 2012 @ 5:44 pm

  39. I was getting ready to say the same thing. The only huge misses were both of the centerfielders. Bourn was much better than McCutcheon and Trout or Span would have been better options than Adam Jones.

    Comment by JT — October 31, 2012 @ 5:47 pm

  40. Biggest Snubs: Trout, Bourn, Brendan Ryan
    Worst selections: Carlos Gonzalez, Adam Jones, Jimmy Rollins
    Most surprised that they got it right: Darwin Barney

    Comment by JT Grace — October 31, 2012 @ 5:53 pm

  41. Braun or Prado should have been the only two choices for LF. Braun played more games in LF but Prado was the better overall defender. The travesty was one of the worst defensive LFs winning the thing.

    Comment by JT Grace — October 31, 2012 @ 5:55 pm

  42. As an O’s fan, Adam Jones did not deserve the Gold Glove in center field this year. That said, I’m not convinced that Mike Trout DID deserve it. When talking about defense, playing time has to be a serious consideration, and Trout played only 885 innings in CF this season (Jones, 1458).

    Trout may have been the best CF over his 2/3 of a season. But I think the best choice for AL CF GG was Denard Span, whose playing time was also less than a full season (1073) but not as low as Trout’s. And Span’s stats are right there with Trout’s: Span is +20 DRS (Trout +23) and +8.5 UZR (Trout +10.6).

    Comment by O's Fan — October 31, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

  43. and, to be fair, the golden gloves are not about homers hit.

    Comment by Cidron — October 31, 2012 @ 6:02 pm

  44. “Instead of focusing on the few they got wrong, how about we congratulate the managers on getting most of them right?”

    How about we just make statements of fact and/or opinion and stop worrying about ingratiating ourselves with the mainstream? We get it Dave, you don’t think fans/media are idiots and you really want everyone to know it.

    Comment by Nick — October 31, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  45. yes, penalize trout for spending a month in AAA and having a manager who would move him around in the outfield, that’s smart

    Comment by jim — October 31, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  46. ask a whiny rockies fan and they’ll tell you cargo was great this year and just got screwed by the metrics like all rockies outfielders

    Comment by jim — October 31, 2012 @ 6:26 pm

  47. Trout isn’t the best CF on his team let alone the American League.

    Comment by Old School — October 31, 2012 @ 6:54 pm

  48. Facts are facts. He played a lot less innings then his competitors in CF.

    Comment by Giants Fan — October 31, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  49. @Cidron

    Do you know why his “HR’S hit” comment got a lot of thumbs up?

    Comment by Mike — October 31, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

  50. Just searched this page for ” Brandon Crawford” and came up empty. Pretty sad considering he’s the best defensive shortstop in baseball. I mean, it’s not like the entire nation watched him make play after play this postseason or anything.

    Comment by John — October 31, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  51. Question, I”m not as experienced with sabermetrics as the rest of you, but I’m wondering why they do UZR/150? Wouldn’t it make a little more sense to do UZR/162?

    Comment by Mike — October 31, 2012 @ 7:20 pm

  52. “Facts are facts. He played a lot less innings then his competitors in CF.”

    I don’t view the Gold Glove the same as the MVP, where the word value is literally in the name. If Ozzie Smith happens to only play 120 games that year, I’m still giving him the Gold Glove. Within reason, of course.

    Comment by Nick — October 31, 2012 @ 7:48 pm

  53. When did Greg Maddux die????!!!! Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Cus — October 31, 2012 @ 7:54 pm

  54. What eeeez theez Deeeefeeeenz you speekz of? I haz Triple Crownz.

    Comment by Miguel Cabrera — October 31, 2012 @ 7:59 pm

  55. First off, I agree that the Gold Glove Awards are nothing more than recognition by a group of voters, which makes it an objective award, just like MVP, Cy Young, ROY, etc. There will always be arguments about who should have won over certain players. It’s the nature of the beast.

    And I’ll agree that the “numbers” indicate that Adam Jones wasn’t the best AL center fielder by a long shot. But should another AL center fielder been given the Gold Glove? I don’t believe that’s true and here’s why.

    Unless you were an AL manager or coach during 2012, like me, you didn’t get a vote. Even sport writers don’t get to vote for Gold Glove. Only the people that watch major league players from the dugout get to vote. These voters watched Jones, Trout, Granderson, Brantley, etc. play all season long and an apparent majority of these professional managers and coaches, the people that teach guys like Trout an Jones how to play the game of baseball, selected Adam Jones. I, for one, don’t feel qualified to over-rule their judgment.

    Besides, look at what they consider when selecting their Gold Glove choices. According to the Rawlings Gold Glove Award page on Wikipedia, “ …the Gold Glove, is the award given annually to the Major League Baseball players judged to have exhibited superior individual fielding performances at each fielding position in both the National League (NL) and the American League (AL), as voted by the managers and coaches in each league. Managers are not permitted to vote for their own players.”

    When you look at why Adam Jones won the award, you must recognize that the AL managers and coaches that voted for him were judging that Jones had “exhibited superior individual fielding performance” during the season. It does not say he was the statistical best; merely that they felt he performed at superior level above the rest of those being considered. Maybe the fact Jones played 162 games (no other MLB played more than 157 and Trout only 110) at a high-level despite the occasional error influenced their selection? Add in that Jones has had his own share of web gems and I can see why they made Jones their selection.

    Comment by Bob — October 31, 2012 @ 8:19 pm

  56. DRS and UZR are counting stats. Span looks decidedly less impressive (when compared to Trout) on his rate stats.

    Comment by Phrozen — October 31, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

  57. Because…. good question, actually. I’ve always thought the /150 was more of an average number of games played per season with days off and such, but… that is a good question.

    Comment by Phrozen — October 31, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

  58. Adam Dunn deserves the DH Gold Glove.

    Comment by Slats — October 31, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

  59. Delmon Young deserves the Iron Glove then.

    Comment by Rippers — October 31, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

  60. “(Clap. Clap. Clap.)” – Rafael Palmeiro

    Comment by KCDaveInLA — October 31, 2012 @ 8:27 pm

  61. How come Derek Jeter didn’t get one??

    Comment by ThoseOldGuysOnMoneyball — October 31, 2012 @ 8:30 pm

  62. Defense is that thing you do try to protect your face from “ouchies” while the other team bats, Miguel.

    Comment by steex — October 31, 2012 @ 8:36 pm

  63. Crawford made a ton of errors at the start of the season, and it’s also only his second year. (I’m aware that errors are not necessarily the greatest metric for measuring defensive ability, but it doesn’t really look great to the voters.) If he continues playing all of next year at the same level of play with which he finished up this year, I would say that he has an excellent chance of getting a GG next year, especially now that he’s gotten some national exposure.

    Comment by thirteenthirteen — October 31, 2012 @ 10:06 pm

  64. i’m not sure either, but i think the fact that so few players play 162 games in a consideration

    Comment by jim — October 31, 2012 @ 11:40 pm

  65. Who’s Fahbio?

    Comment by sgs — October 31, 2012 @ 11:53 pm

  66. Interestingly, BP’s defensive metrics rank Adam Jones as the #6 CF in the AL this year, behind Jarrod Dyson, Austin Jackson, Trout, Span, and Chris Gentry. In fact FRAA has always been much higher on Jones than UZR: in 2009, his FRAA was 13.7 (elite) while his UZR was -7.6 (very poor). I wonder why the two metrics are so far apart for Mr. Jones?

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2012 @ 11:58 pm

  67. Since no one has said it, I will say that David Wright was also snubbed for a player that only played half the season.

    Comment by metsfaninLA — November 1, 2012 @ 12:08 am

  68. So they should get the award because the managers that see them 6 days out of the year thought they were good? Regardless of whether or not they actually were good? By rule that’s what happens, but that doesn’t really make much sense as a system.

    Comment by metsfaninLA — November 1, 2012 @ 12:11 am

  69. Aren’t Barney’s defensive metrics skewed a bit because of the over shift the Cubs implement?

    Comment by Taylor06 — November 1, 2012 @ 12:33 am

  70. I think Crawford will have a great shot next year if he continues to play well but I think he’ll be challenged by Simmons in ATL for the SS-GG next year if Simmons stays healthy.

    Comment by Mike — November 1, 2012 @ 12:33 am

  71. I took him to mean that we should acknowledge that progress has been made.

    Comment by Jon L. — November 1, 2012 @ 4:56 am

  72. Yeah, I was actually surprised to see Barney and Heyward win. I completely agree with them there. Barney, Heyward, Beltre, and Molina are really the only 4 I agree with.

    Comment by Undocorkscrew — November 1, 2012 @ 7:20 am

  73. Ehh, forgot Gordon

    Comment by Undocorkscrew — November 1, 2012 @ 7:21 am

  74. @Mike, assuming both Crawford and Simmons stay healthy……I’m confident Simmons will be better defensively. Guy is an absolute wizard with the glove and I think he’ll hit more than Crawford as well.

    In any case, Crawford isn’t the best defensive SS in baseball right now. I’d put Ryan and Simmons over him.

    Comment by Undocorkscrew — November 1, 2012 @ 7:23 am

  75. Wait…..what?

    Comment by Undocorkscrew — November 1, 2012 @ 7:26 am

  76. I agree about Simmons. He had a 19 DRS this year even though he only played in 1/3 of the games. I think he will soon replace Brendan Ryan as the best defensive shortstop in baseball. Hopefully he hits well enough not to be excluded from these awards.

    Another Braves future winner could be Kris Medlen. As a former shortstop he might challenge Buehrle for the pitching Gold Glove.

    Comment by JT Grace — November 1, 2012 @ 9:08 am

  77. In all honestly, the Gold Glove voting should be removed from the coaches and managers. These guys don’t see the opposing players on a day in and day out basis. They go by the few web gems they see on TV/film as well as reputation from their buddies in the league.

    The fact that rookies rarely win the award tells me that there is a subjective bias. The fact that Derek Jeter ever won a Gold Glove tells me that there is a lot of bias. The fact that guys like Brendan Ryan and Clint Barmes never win because of their weak hitting tells me that there is bias.

    Ask the average old school manager about UZR/150 or DRS and he will have no idea what you are talking about.

    Ideally the Fielding Bible should give out the Gold Glove awards. At the very least they should name the top three defensive players at each position and then have the managers/coaches select the final winner. At least with that plan guys like Carlos Gonzalez won’t win undeserved Gold Gloves.

    Comment by JT Grace — November 1, 2012 @ 9:16 am

  78. Soriano had a good year by the numbers.

    Comment by Ivan Grushenko — November 1, 2012 @ 11:45 am

  79. Facts are facts but they’re not always relevant. The particular fact that Trout played fewer innings in CF than other people and played other positions isn’t relevant to the question of who was the best CF in the AL. The award isn’t for who played the most CF or who was on the roster for the most weeks.

    Comment by Ivan Grushenko — November 1, 2012 @ 11:47 am

  80. Aramis Ramirez had a good year for him defensively, but he is at best an average fielder. He should never be in the discussion for a gold glove. He is an absolutely good hitter however.

    The Brewers haven’t really been a team that has stressed defense in the past decade, so it isn’t a huge surprise they haven’t had a player win one. I do agree with you that if Gomez plays enough, he is certainly talented enough to win one.

    Comment by SuperCalo — November 1, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

  81. They might be a little, however he was dynamite this year. Even if you go by traditional stats, his fielding percentage was 99.7% and he lead the league putouts as a 2B, so he was getting to a lot of balls and fielding them well.

    If the scouts think you are great defensively and both the advance and traditional stats think you are great defensively, you probably are a deserving of the Gold Glove you received.

    Comment by SuperCalo — November 1, 2012 @ 12:16 pm

  82. Actually, Brendan Ryan is the best shortstop in the nation. Fact.

    Comment by BurleighGrimes — November 1, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

  83. Best *defensive* shortstop.


    Comment by Jason B — November 1, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

  84. These are the same sort of boobs that awarded Rafael Palmeiro a Gold Glove when he started 128 games at DH. But Palmeiro put up a batting line of .324/.420/.630 with 47 homers and 148 RBIs that year. Clearly he was the best defender at his position.

    Managers and coaches aren’t any more observant of defense than the fan who goes to the john and grabs another beer between half innings. And they do not teach the Mike Trouts of the world how to play defense. There is no teaching in the Major Leagues, just refining.

    If voting for the Gold Glove is to be reserved to MLB insiders, then GMs and advanced scouts should be the ones voting, not coaches and managers.

    Comment by GMH — November 1, 2012 @ 2:05 pm

  85. I don’t buy that the awards are necessarily getting better just because they aren’t as bad as usual. I think the nd most defensive stats flawed as well. I blogged on it myself here: Gold Gloves

    Comment by Hola BackGrinder — November 1, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

  86. whew… ’cause brother that needed some clarification!

    Comment by Doug B — November 1, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  87. Surpised a bit by Barney actually getting it, as well. Though I suspect it was mostly due to his impressive errorless streak. I think that got enough press to get him the award. I believe that if he has one error in that time period and no streak occurs, then I don’t think he would have been chosen.

    Comment by Scott — November 1, 2012 @ 7:55 pm

  88. um…Darwin Barney had a nice yr in the field but couldn’t carry Brandon Phillips’ jock at 2B. However, and I say this as a Reds fan, Brandon Phillips is a tad overrated and not even the best Reds 2B over the last 20 years. That honor goes to he incomparable Pokey Reece.

    Comment by kruthy — November 1, 2012 @ 9:22 pm

  89. It’s spelled Reese, and what’s your statement that Barney “couldn’t carry Brandon Phillip’s jock” based on, oh unbiased Reds fan?

    Comment by Brian W. — November 1, 2012 @ 10:03 pm

  90. i’m pretty sure he could carry phillips’s jock, but why would anyone want to carry around that, it would be all gross and sweaty

    Comment by jim — November 1, 2012 @ 10:57 pm

  91. When did Red fans get so bitter? News: Cueto is very good but will probably not win the Cy Young. Please don’t get upset about it. He’s one of the 3 or 4 best pitchers in a very close race. It’s nothing personal.

    Brandon Phillips has won 3 gold gloves. It’s not like the voters haven’t recognized he’s good. They just found someone a little better.

    Comment by Doug B — November 2, 2012 @ 9:47 am

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