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  1. Great article. I wouldn’t mind seeing them let him go though. He’d be a great pickup for the Mariners with his high upside and off year lowering his value somewhat.

    Comment by Daven — November 1, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

  2. Jeff, you’ve matched my thoughts on this almost exactly. I don’t understand the rush to move him when there’s so much other uncertainty around the rotation and the market for Haren’s services stands almost no chance of drying up between now and Spring Training.

    If the disaster of your off-season is that you end up paying Dan Haren something like 8% of your payroll in 2013, you’ve done alright.

    Comment by Lukehart80 — November 1, 2012 @ 5:51 pm

  3. jeff, if the angels buyout his option, can they still make him a ‘qualifying offer’? If so, they could possibly have haren at one yr/$16.5M or a nice draft pick if he decides to sign elsewhere. That would be a $4.5M gamble, but mostly I was wondering if it is allowed under the CBA rules for this qualifying offer stuff.

    Comment by brendan — November 1, 2012 @ 6:11 pm

  4. Yes, I believe that’s possible.

    Comment by Jeff Sullivan — November 1, 2012 @ 6:12 pm

  5. yeah this all sounds pretty sensible

    Comment by wily mo — November 1, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

  6. I love the new element of the qualifying offer. I might also take this opportunity to state that Jerome Williams’ strawberry pastel glove bothers me far more it should. It just does. A lot.

    Comment by Choo — November 1, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

  7. Yeah it almost makes too much sense. The Angels have to be smarter than this. Perhaps there is a driving factor not considered? Maybe Greinke (we all know he’s a little off) wants a show of good faith that they’re committed to him? I know it’s a helluva stretch, mostly just posing the idea that there is some other reason for their position on this whole Haren situation…

    Comment by Matt — November 1, 2012 @ 7:21 pm

  8. Thanks Jeff, the best artilce I’ve read yet regarding Haren. I’ve been beating the drum for weeks now that the Angels would be foolish to let him go with so much uncertainty in their rotation. The man is a 1B or 2 pitcher when healthy and that’s a proven fact. So unless there are lingering back issues, and maybe even in spite of lingering back issues, the $12M seems immaterial. As you said, the reward is worth the risk for one year.

    Besides, how can teams llike the Angels expect their fan base to be “loyal” to them even when they come up short, yet they in turn discard a top of the rotation type pitcher after one down year? Heck, they gave Santana more time to earn his way out of town then they ever did Haren.

    By the way, if he is gone by this time tomorow this would be the 2nd time Dipoto jettisoned Haren (once in Arizona), what’s up with that?

    Comment by Steper — November 1, 2012 @ 7:31 pm

  9. I tend to agree that picking up the Haren option makes sense since they could still trade him later.

    However, I kind of get a chuckle out of the Nick Cafardo tidbit. That unnamed source could easily be Haren’s agent and/or the Angels themselves, trying to bolster his value. Hot Stove season is a bad time of year to give credence to anonymous tipsters.

    Comment by TK — November 1, 2012 @ 7:49 pm

  10. He wears it in memory of his mother who passed away from cancer.

    Comment by cuscus85 — November 1, 2012 @ 7:50 pm

  11. The Mariners have much better places to spend $12m than for 1 year of Dan Haren in a year that they are unlikely to contend.

    Comment by Kazinski — November 1, 2012 @ 8:04 pm

  12. i think it’s only fair to assume that dipoto has a job lined up under the table with whatever team winds up with haren

    Comment by wily mo — November 1, 2012 @ 10:01 pm

  13. Complicating matters is the not-yet-mentioned fact that Haren has a limited no-trade clause, with the ability to block trades to 12 other teams……Haren has stated he’d be willing to stay with the Angels on a short-term deal for “fair” value….so, other possibilities include, declining his $15.5 option, making him a qualifying offer of $13.3 to at least insure at a minimum getting a draft pick, having Haren accept the qualifying offer (a nice quick $$$ for Haren), but without the limited no-trade clause…..also, are we sure the rules for such limited no-trade clauses apply to the $15.5 option?

    Comment by bothstillplaying — November 1, 2012 @ 10:03 pm

  14. No excuses.

    Comment by J.D. — November 1, 2012 @ 10:23 pm

  15. Aw man. I should have known. My own mom is down to her final days after a long battle. Thence I hereby declare, from this moment forth, even if it makes me nauseous to gaze upon it’s pleathery glare, Jerome Williams’ Hello Kitty glove is now my favorite glove in the history of the world.

    Comment by Choo — November 2, 2012 @ 12:34 am

  16. You had me at “sparsely populated by balls.”

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — November 2, 2012 @ 1:26 am

  17. Assuming there are teams outside of his no-trade clause that Haren still doesn’t want to play for, they should dangle the threat of trading him to make him re-negotiate a contract for cheaper. As a frustrated Jays fan, that’s how I imagine Peavy’s deal happened. :(

    Comment by DrEasy — November 2, 2012 @ 2:12 am

  18. This article is right on. There are a lot of worse mistakes than giving Dan Haren $12m over 1 year when your rotation is paper thin. I view Haren strictly as insurance. If Greinke + someone else signs then you trade him. If you don’t land Greinke and another arm you keep him. Expecting a 2 win season isn’t asking a whole lot from a guy like Haren.

    Comment by BJsWorld — November 2, 2012 @ 3:32 am

  19. “If we were to represent organizational depth with a ball pit, the Angels’ starting pitcher ball pit would be sparsely populated by balls.” ha

    Comment by rorschach — November 2, 2012 @ 6:52 am

  20. “we all know he’s a little off”

    Comment by DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy — November 2, 2012 @ 7:47 am

  21. Wouldn’t he likely just accept a qualifying offer, since he is rumored to want to stay in anaheim? And would it even save them any money from just picking up the extension?

    Comment by David — November 2, 2012 @ 8:17 am

  22. It would cost them money to go the qualifying offer route, but not a ton. His option is $15.5 and the qualifying is $13.3 + $3.5 option buyout = $16.8.

    I don’t understand why they want to give him away now either. Why not pick up the option then make a trade later as Jeff is suggesting? Do they know something that everyone else doesn’t?

    Comment by Pirates Hurdles — November 2, 2012 @ 10:06 am

  23. This is the first of many times the Angels will have to dance around the Pujols contract. Given the line of teams anxious to trade for Haren, there’s no doubt that he’s worth $12M or even $15M for the coming year, yet they’re going to have to deal him to fit Greinke into the payroll.

    Comment by stan — November 2, 2012 @ 10:50 am

  24. Why would you suggest that?

    Dumping Hunter, Izturis and Santana is $33M saved. The NET increase by keeping Greinke at $20M and Haren at $13M is an overall increase of $7M over 2012.

    Even with arb raises and escalators the Angels could keep Haren AND Greinke AND stay under the 2012 payroll threshold.

    Comment by BJsWorld — November 2, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  25. Dan Haren is old, but not too old to say he should be traded because he’s aging.

    Comment by Sage — November 2, 2012 @ 2:21 pm

  26. Well looks like the Angels must think something is wrong with Haren, because they just picked up a terrible relief pitcher with a terrible contract in exchange.

    I’m sure this team has a quality starter they are ready to promote from high A ball into the 5th spot of the rotation next year…

    Comment by Erik — November 2, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

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