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  1. Madson not on the list? He should still be an elite reliever available on a fairly friendly deal. Some team is going to get a bargain.

    Comment by nik — November 2, 2012 @ 11:29 am

  2. Texas ought to jump hard on Kuroda.

    Comment by Tomcat — November 2, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  3. FanGraphs is the Cliff Lee of list-makers

    Comment by GrassRockFish — November 2, 2012 @ 11:43 am

  4. This is a very good list. I can’t believe that was the contract Delmon Young was crowdsourced to get. Delmon Young is a depth bat and emergency outfielder at this point in his career. He could make a decent platoon partner at DH or as a PH/OF in the NL, but other than that he isn’t very useful. I think 1 year and 3 million is a reasonable expectation for the type of deal he would sign.

    Comment by Brian — November 2, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  5. “I’m sure there will be others, and some of them will probably ask you to view their list in a slideshow. Those people are the Jose Valverde of list makers.” Awesome

    Comment by SecondHandStore — November 2, 2012 @ 11:46 am

  6. Dempster at 3/36? I can’t believe you think that’s a deal. Didn’t he basically flop as soon as he went to the AL in a hitter friendly park? Isn’t he like 36?

    Comment by Eminor3rd — November 2, 2012 @ 11:49 am

  7. I get the feeling that Nick Swisher probably considers Nick Swisher very sexy.

    Comment by Brian — November 2, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  8. Nice shot at Bleacher Report being the Jose Valverde of ‘blogs’

    Comment by Steve 1 — November 2, 2012 @ 12:02 pm

  9. If only there were some way to look that up….

    Comment by Hizouse — November 2, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  10. 2013′s Broxton.

    Comment by Spike — November 2, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

  11. I can’t believe Napoli’s or Victorino’s crowdsource result frankly. Who is going to commit $36M or $30M to those two?

    Comment by Spike — November 2, 2012 @ 12:21 pm

  12. I would take victorino over pagan at those prices, as we’re talking about a guy who has 10 more career war. The market’s actually pretty deep at center field.

    Comment by Jesse — November 2, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

  13. As does presumably Mrs. Swisher….who the rest of the world considers sexy.

    Comment by Peter R — November 2, 2012 @ 12:26 pm

  14. “Dempster’s basically this year’s Jimmy Rollins – a good player in his thirties who seems to be taking too big of a hit for his age and not getting enough credit for his performance.”

    Past performance is not a guarantee of future results.

    I will not be happy if the Brewers give Dempster 3/36. I realize he’s pitched well against the Brewers. But he’s 36. That’s the kind of thinking that landed them Jeff Suppan. Maybe 2/20 would be worth the risk. But not 3/36.

    Comment by Doug B — November 2, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

  15. Keppinger is simply NOT a Scutaro w/ “terrible” defense, as Keppinger is passable by UZR/150 at 2B and 3B (with 1100+ inning samples for each). His SS defense may be bad, but the more important point is that Scutaro isn’t better. By UZR/150, he’s about average at every position he’s played a decent chunk of time at.

    Keppinger is a bit like a younger Scutaro, but their defense is not different enough to use as a contrast, especially with how imprecise we know defensive metrics to be.

    Comment by Chummy Z — November 2, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

  16. HAHA The best are the DH signings. 5 mil a year should be the top value for someone who only plays 1/10 of the time a position player does, and that’s if they play full-time!

    Comment by Templeton1979 — November 2, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

  17. HAHAHA I can’t stand Bleacherreport!

    Comment by Templeton1979 — November 2, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

  18. Keppinger is one of the toughest to strike out, definitely.

    Comment by Templeton1979 — November 2, 2012 @ 1:02 pm

  19. People are severely underestimating the risk of signing Zack Greinke. People don’t like talking about it, but his history of mental health issues is a serious consideration when you are committing over $125 million to a single player. In my view his issues pose as much of a problem as Josh Hamilton’s history.

    Comment by Phantom Stranger — November 2, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

  20. Indeed, but if he only wants a one year deal he can pretty much pick and choose his team.

    Comment by t ball — November 2, 2012 @ 1:12 pm

  21. Yeah he would be a nice stabilizer for Yu as well, as Darvish likely grew up watching Kuroda.

    Comment by Tomcat — November 2, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

  22. Scutaro has that exact same skill. They are players you can compare.

    Comment by yuniform — November 2, 2012 @ 1:31 pm

  23. I’d bet on Greinke’s continued success over Hamilton’s at just about any odds you want to give.

    Comment by Bookbook — November 2, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  24. “at this point in his career”……

    Comment by Clifford — November 2, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  25. Lohse is a solid middle-of-the-rotation starter who can soak up innings and occasionally give you a strong season when things go right, but at his age, that’s worth $10 million a year for a couple of years, not $13 million for four. Run away, GMs, run away.

    Yes, run away so Ned Colletti can swoop in. *sigh*

    Comment by Bip — November 2, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  26. Very few people can generate runs like Ortiz!

    Comment by SKob — November 2, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  27. I can see how five years for Bourn is a little much, but you’re selling him a bit short in just about every way. His career UZR/150 at CF is over 10, which makes him more than just a “decent glove” I think. Over the past 4 years he’s averaged about 10 runs in baserunning alone. His BABIP and BB% are both well above average. His main problems are are lack of power and a high K%, but the K% may actually decrease as plate discipline tends to increase with age. He’s 30, so we’re talking about his age 31-35 seasons, not 35-39. It’s totally reasonable to expect he can keep a lot of his value over that time.

    I agree that he’s probably a little overvalued, while Upton and Pagan are definitely undervalued, but neither Upton nor Pagan are nearly as good a fielder or baserunner as Bourn, which means Bourn can afford to lose a little value on offense. If he keeps his speed, I think he can maintain his BABIP, which, when paired with his BB% rate, will make him the best all-around CF of this class.

    Comment by Bip — November 2, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  28. They’re very comparable–Keppinger is just 5 years younger. I just don’t know why Dave pulled that nonsense about Kepp’s “terrible” defense out of his ass, especially relative to Scutaro. The numbers say otherwise. That’s all I’m criticizing.

    Comment by Chummy Z — November 2, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

  29. …it gets better with age, has freakishly great control, and somehow never wins?

    Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — November 2, 2012 @ 2:22 pm

  30. I don’t remember which ESPN analyst said it but I will never forget reading:

    “Dice-K will be the greatest Japanese import in MLB history. And no, I’m not forgetting Ichiro.”

    Well that worked out

    Comment by Snoth — November 2, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

  31. Nice list, but to be honest only Delmon Young’s contract is one that if my team signed I would be like “what the $%&@ are you doing!?!?” Even the next 4 on the bad list, which I can’t really disagree with, aren’t that bad.

    Comment by TKDC — November 2, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

  32. Any thoughts about Ichiro’s value going forward? The crowdsourcing has him at Melky pay, and he should be able to provide surplus value at 8mil/season. Seems like a good choice for a team trying to keep a spot warm for a prospect while fielding a decent player, even if he doesn’t get on base much these days.

    Comment by AK7007 — November 2, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  33. Dave Cameron speaks the truth. Jeff Keppingers defense is indeed terrible. Cement shoes terrible.

    Comment by Shankbone — November 2, 2012 @ 3:22 pm

  34. Josh Hamilton’s history broke down his body to the point that he’s chronically injured. Zack Greinke has averaged 32 starts for the last 5 seasons. It’s not even close.

    Comment by Nick — November 2, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

  35. Just about, may.may actually,probably, a bit,a little,I think,and IF. Sheesh.

    Comment by Psychump — November 2, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  36. Agreed. It is crazy of Bip to use words expressing uncertainty when everyone is completely certain of what Michael Bourn’s future holds.

    /sarcasm

    Comment by RationalSportsFan — November 2, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  37. Delmon Young… yikes. I love how he showed up for a game or two in the NLCS and everyone was like “Young!” And I’m like… he sucks.

    Comment by Steve — November 2, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  38. But numbers say otherwise. And this is kind of a numbers-based website.

    Comment by Chummy Z — November 2, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

  39. That may be the single funniest paragraph Dave Cameron has ever written (I’ve read a lot of Dave Cameron). Dead-on perfect take-down, dead funny.

    Comment by joser — November 2, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

  40. No accounting for taste.

    Comment by joser — November 2, 2012 @ 4:38 pm

  41. I actually added them to my HOSTS file so there was no chance I’d ever go there, even by accident.

    Comment by joser — November 2, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  42. But it’s future WAR, not past WAR, that you should be paying for.

    Comment by joser — November 2, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  43. And those people all are on the ’04-’08 Red Sox. On a different team in a different ballpark, Ortiz can’t generate those same runs either.

    Comment by joser — November 2, 2012 @ 4:43 pm

  44. Way to miss the point. Psychump is noting that all the hedging in Bip’s comment suggests he acknowledges his assessment is essentially exactly the same as Cameron’s, within the very real and very large error bars that are present in any projection. So it’s a criticism that effectively is hedged all the way back to being an agreement, thus adding very little. By their very nature projections incorporate a great deal of uncertainty, so hedge words are implicit, and using them in a dissent doesn’t give it added weight; if anything, it makes it weaker.

    Comment by joser — November 2, 2012 @ 4:50 pm

  45. I can’t believe how low some of those contracts came out. These were supposed to be predictions, not “what you’d pay”, right? #’s 1 and 2 specifically strike me as being out of whack with the predictions I’ve seen elsewhere.

    Comment by terencem — November 2, 2012 @ 4:50 pm

  46. And for certain teams, particularly on the west coast, he may still give a small but real bump at the gate.

    Comment by joser — November 2, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

  47. Your last sentence indicates that you realize that defensive statistics aren’t gospel, which makes it odd that you’re quoting them as though they are. In the last two years, Jeff Keppinger and Marco Scutaro were both the regular second baseman in San Francisco, which provides a direct means of comparison; the eye test indicates that Scutaro is unspectacular but decent, whereas Keppinger has no range to speak of and certainly won’t be gaining any as he ages.

    Comment by Naveed — November 2, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

  48. Surprised AJ Pierzynski at 2/$18 didn’t make the worst list. He had a great home run year out of nowhere, but he’s still a 36-year-old catcher.

    Comment by Tim — November 2, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

  49. A couple of these players are going to be getting qualifying offers from their current teams, thus ensuring that anyone else who takes them loses a draft pick. That ups the price a bit.

    Comment by joser — November 2, 2012 @ 5:00 pm

  50. These are relative to the crowd-sourced projections. Very possible both guys (though I don’t even remember Broxton) were projected at neither team or player advantaged deals.

    Comment by Joshua — November 2, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

  51. Brandon League 3/22.5 is already a start on the terrible.

    Comment by marlins12 — November 2, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  52. Slideshows are the worst.

    Comment by ODawg — November 2, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

  53. Delmon Young has a very high pedigree that some GM will use to justify signing him to a 2 year deal at those rates. People love to believe that the former #1 overall prospect will turn it on when they sign him.

    Comment by Colin — November 2, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  54. They do? When has Greinke ever missed a ton of games because of his “mental health issues”? (Issues which in all likelihood are shared by at least 15 other major leaguers based on societal prevalence) Honestly, your ignorance in proclaiming his issues a “risk” without any justification is absurd.

    Comment by Colin — November 2, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

  55. I’ll take credit for that and by the end of their careers, I’ll be proven correct. I guarantee it.

    Comment by Bobby V — November 2, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

  56. Any chance of getting projections on the leaderboards? That would seem like the best way to compare free agents.

    Comment by Ben Hall — November 2, 2012 @ 9:46 pm

  57. Slideshows are the Tony Pena Jr of list makings

    Comment by QDawg — November 2, 2012 @ 9:49 pm

  58. You don’t want a guy throwing that many strikes in Arlington.

    Comment by fromthemachine — November 2, 2012 @ 10:18 pm

  59. They’re the same age. If Victorino has produced significantly more WAR up to this point, hes probably going to produce more going forward.

    Comment by Anonymousse — November 2, 2012 @ 11:03 pm

  60. I don’t understand why people think Scutaro is a good defender. He hasn’t been one for years.

    Comment by Anonymousse — November 2, 2012 @ 11:05 pm

  61. The point is that we’ve had an entire statistical revolution based on the simple idea that the “eye test” is unreliable, and fraught with bias.

    Comment by Anonymousse — November 2, 2012 @ 11:06 pm

  62. Slideshows are proof positive their creators aren’t big-picture folks. No contrast and compare. And major timewasters. Anyone who _chooses_ to graphically organize their data that badly is warning you in advance of quality issues in analysis, yup.

    Comment by Balthazar — November 3, 2012 @ 12:00 am

  63. please point to a conclusive recent instance of greinke’s social anxiety disorder negatively affecting his performance

    Comment by jim — November 3, 2012 @ 12:05 am

  64. Greinke has already quit playing altogether once. Maybe he’s got his social anxiety disorder under control, but he does have risk, and there is justification.

    Comment by Chris — November 3, 2012 @ 12:25 am

  65. Cameron still sucks, and now has signed his death warrant to a contract,,,Sullivan was always the superior writer. Thankfully, you all will get to bask in his glory, while watching dave get shrilly.

    Comment by CaR — November 3, 2012 @ 1:05 am

  66. Were you already old and crotchety in 1973? Ortiz is a top hitter – you would have to have to have a hole in your head to turn that down for below market value just because “he plays 1/10 of the time”

    Comment by AK7007 — November 3, 2012 @ 1:41 am

  67. Slideshows are proof that some sites only care about pageviews, and are willing to shovel whatever crap they can to get them. Unfortunately, it seems to work.

    Comment by joser — November 3, 2012 @ 2:50 am

  68. It didn’t hurt him too much in the Yankees Stadium with a short left-field (2.72 era in 19 starts at home this year)

    Comment by higuys — November 3, 2012 @ 8:42 am

  69. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results…

    Then no one should get anything but entry level contracts, right? If you don’t like the guy, say that, but don’t throw out some blanket cliche that attacks the idea of salary negotiation. No one would get paid anything but the minimum wage, if we went your route

    Comment by JaysinSD — November 3, 2012 @ 8:48 am

  70. He sucks overall, yes, but he was still the most productive hitter for the Tigers this post-season… So of course people get excited.

    If the worst pitcher in the world throws a perfect game in game 7 of the World Series, they will be forever immortalized for that, regardless of how they otherwise performed.

    Comment by JaysinSD — November 3, 2012 @ 8:51 am

  71. To summarize the best lines of the week:

    Through a massive,

    Comment by MBD — November 3, 2012 @ 11:23 am

  72. remarkably sustained

    Comment by MBD — November 3, 2012 @ 11:23 am

  73. brain fart,

    Comment by MBD — November 3, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  74. I somehow managed

    Comment by MBD — November 3, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  75. to post this comment

    Comment by MBD — November 3, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  76. as a slide show,

    Comment by MBD — November 3, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  77. which is the worst.

    Comment by MBD — November 3, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  78. …what

    Comment by jim — November 3, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  79. I was really surprised to see how close Dempster and Grienke are to each other statistically. Could someone put me together a slideshow please? :) :)

    PS. Speaking of Bleacher Report, I’m glad others share my sentiment. I really dislike how if I type anything into Google the search results are overwhelmed with their silly slideshows. Great call Dave. (Even though you didn’t do so directly.)

    Comment by Givejonadollar — November 3, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  80. I mean, once you’ve made out with Martin Starr on camera, everyone looks sexy.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — November 3, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  81. Do you know what else is unreliable? The one year of UZR data that says Keppinger is a league average fielder.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — November 3, 2012 @ 4:22 pm

  82. When has Greinke ever missed a ton of games because of his mental health issues? Is that a serious question? He wasn’t injured in 2006.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — November 3, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  83. And I don’t even think his SAD is that big of a deal, anymore. It’s just ridiculous to say it’s never been a baseball issue.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — November 3, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

  84. Playing devil’s advocate here, but maybe it’s why he has a terrible strand rate, which means that he’s worth closer to 3 wins a year than he is to 6. After 8 full seasons, is it that outlandish to say that the 72.5% strand rate is his true talent level and that we should stop expecting it to get closer to 80%?

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — November 3, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  85. Slideshows are the Jim Belushi of list makings.

    Comment by TFINY — November 3, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  86. Pagan is actually 8 months younger. Not playing in Philadelphia is really going to hurt Victorino’s power totals.

    Comment by SF 55 for life — November 3, 2012 @ 6:51 pm

  87. Keppinger has a -4.3 UZR/150 at second base for his career. That isn’t good. He also doesn’t pass the eye test at all, his range is terrible.

    A very large percentage of his value comes from batting average. As Giants fans saw in 2011, if he doesn’t hit for average he is basically worthless. Scutaro at least has shown an ability to take walks and he is also a better fielding second baseman.

    Scutaro also has consistency on his side. He has been worth more than 2 WAR every year for the past 5 seasons.

    Comment by SF 55 for life — November 3, 2012 @ 7:01 pm

  88. Devil’s advocate or over-eager Psych 101 student?

    The strand rate of 72% may indeed be Greinke’s personal level, for whatever reason…but you’ve got to give me something other than: “maybe it’s the only thing I know about him that’s super-different than all other pitchers”.

    Besides if we were going to ride this silly theory out…shouldn’t there be other noticeable effects? Better performance with low attendance? Better performance with more early run support? Shouldn’t his home/road split be bigger than everyone else’s since the comfort of home MUST be better for his pitching than the awkward interactions of life on the road? Or does this theory only pertain to one or two negative things that don’t have any other explanation at the moment?

    Comment by KDL — November 3, 2012 @ 7:07 pm

  89. They take one premise, prolong it’s explanation unnecessarily, and leave the viewer wondering “is that it?”
    #sixseasonsandamovie

    Comment by KDL — November 3, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

  90. Well my point is one of degrees, so there’s your explanation. My point is Dave describes him as a decent glove when he’s actually a very good glove, he doesn’t really acknowledge his baserunning, he doesn’t note his demonstrated BABIP ability or his above average walk rate. None of those things alone are enough to totally contradict his assessment, nor are they certain to be sustained, but they are likely to be sustained and together they add up to a better player than Dave described.

    Comment by Bip — November 3, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

  91. Never taken Psych, as a matter of fact. Half of it is bull. I was playing devil’s advocate. You were clearly playing “pedantic prick.”

    and for that matter, his Home/Away splits show that he has roughly double the difference between Home and Away as compared to the league average, so you might have a point there, despite your best efforts.

    Good job.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — November 3, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  92. I meant you pay for the future, not the past. Any team that thinks Dempster is going to earn a 36 million dollar contract over the next 3 seasons is welcome to have him. I just hope it’s not my team making that gamble. Because I don’t think that is money well spent. The Brewers have other pitchers who could go 30-30 with a 4.00 ERA over the next 3 seasons. And they don’t cost 12 million a season.

    Comment by Doug B — November 4, 2012 @ 11:29 am

  93. Your #1 and 2 are contracts I would want no part of. I don’t get the fascination with BJ Upton. His amazing all star future was and still is an illusion of his raw athletic skills and nothing more.

    Comment by GM Mega Man — November 4, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

  94. surprised Marcum didn’t crack the list. he could be a great sleeper pickup.

    Comment by ben — November 4, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  95. He’s not, but when compared to Keppinger he looks like Brooks Robinson.

    Comment by Giants94131 — November 4, 2012 @ 8:57 pm

  96. There is one thing that stands out on this otherwise excellent list like a bugger hanging off a pretty girls nose. Youk. If he could ever play at a mediocre level again, which he can’t, he’s too ugly to watch. And the faces. Even Ortiz wanted to hit him, and Ortiz is as laid back as it gets. I’d rather watch Matsuzaka pitch, and I only ever made that mistake once.

    This is the kind of mistake for which you ought to be bound and gagged and put in a dark room for a week.

    Comment by james wilson — November 5, 2012 @ 1:38 am

  97. bidding for Ichiro:

    Mariners: 2 years 10 million
    Yankees: 2 years 11 million
    Dodgers: 3 years 30 million

    Comment by Doug B — November 5, 2012 @ 10:26 am

  98. “You don’t want a guy throwing that many strikes in Arlington.”

    What’s the alternative, a guy who issues a lot of walks? Yeah, that should work great!

    Comment by jason B — November 5, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  99. Napoli is a very good 1b and the Red Sox have a vacancy for a year or two…

    Comment by Earl Nash — November 5, 2012 @ 11:39 am

  100. Delmon Young is not the world’s worst deal as DH, a 5th/corner outfielder. Yah, Detroit overpaid salary for him, but he did hit with some power, and like Prince Fielder, hit more opposite way than before. And, watching Cabrera everyday, was not quite the dead pull-hitter, he seemed to be before… and he has hit the last two post-seasons… Reg season- a 265-270 avg, with power, and not exclusive DH, but occasional outfielder. 2 year 6-10 mil, 3-5 mil a year; and has seemed to have matured and aged some, and had not heard of him being locker room poison. [Okay, so he's not quite a josh hamilton or tory hunter, and is not 10 mil a year hitter...]

    Comment by wiggy365 — November 5, 2012 @ 12:19 pm

  101. “How about [because] there’s no evidence that even a healthy Dice-K is any good, and he inflicts pain on everyone watching him pitch”

    Yes. This. Exactly.

    Comment by Mike — November 5, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

  102. Great write up as always but it seems like you’ve undervalued a lot of these contracts. I really don’t think Sanchez for 4/52, McCarthy 2/20 or Izturis 2/10 are all that realistic, maybe McCarthy considering his situation. I point out those 3 because those are guys I think would fit great in Milwaukee. Hell at those rates they could sign 2/3 of them. Getting McCarthy and Izturis for 30 million over 2 years would be a bargain for any team.

    Comment by Luke — November 6, 2012 @ 12:58 am

  103. OK, wild idea so someone can tell me why it wouldn’t work.

    Josh Hamilton – sign him for 6 years with a 14 million base salary and 20 million bonus for 1st in MVP ticking all the way down to 1 million for 20th MVP. He could be getting 14 mil for a bad season and 34 mil for a great season. A solid season with 10th in MVP and he gets his 25 million. Any reason they couldn’t do this?

    Is there a cap on incentives? Does anyone really think the BBWAA would somehow fudge the balloting if there was so much at stake?

    It’s not like the risk would be too high for the club. Hell… if he averages 5th place in MVP for the next 3 years are you telling me they would be made about paying him 180 million? No. They’d be fine with that. If he repeats exactly what he’s done the last 6 years (assuming 5th in MVP in 2012) he’d earn 134 million over 6 years. Which is about what I expect him to sign for. But it removes this whole cloud of risk and let’s him earn his money.

    Comment by Doug B — November 6, 2012 @ 2:25 pm

  104. Dempster at 3/36 and Jackson at the same price are both headscratchers.

    Actually, Dempster was OK with the Rangers, but he had a lucky career half-year. Jackson is, in reality no better than Lohse, and the only deal diff is $1M per year and one more year.

    Comment by SocraticGadfly — November 7, 2012 @ 5:24 pm

  105. lol then sign oliver perez

    Comment by shawn camp — November 7, 2012 @ 7:52 pm

  106. I’d pay that money for a 28 year old who looks like he can consistently hit around .245/.330/.450 and be a defensive asset in CF, he’s like a healthy Grady Sizemore light.

    Now with that said 4/52 isn’t bad, but, I’d try to go longer on years and lower on annual cost with a 5/55 or 6/60 offer. Even at 6/60 you’re spending an average of 10 mil a year on a solid player through his age 34 season, that’s not bad.

    Comment by Stuck in a slump — November 8, 2012 @ 4:05 am

  107. Hey Shawn, you know who threw a higher percentage of strikes than Hiroki Kuroda in 2012? Oliver Perez.

    Comment by ThirteenOfTwo — November 11, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

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