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  1. Bourn does have a history of gaudy steal numbers and is a FA. I’d be surprised if he were shutout. Hill seems possible to me though.

    Comment by jcxy — November 15, 2012 @ 3:35 pm

  2. Derek Jeter will finish higher than Alex Gordon and Ben Zobrist.

    Comment by Curtis — November 15, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  3. I actually would bet Alex Gordon as a possibility. Lowest wRC+ in the AL list, a lot of value from fielding (at a non-premium position), bad team, and bad counting stats.

    Comment by bill — November 15, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  4. Man, Ben Zobrist is awesome.

    After reading this post and Dave’s about RBIs earlier today, and looking at a couple of player pages, I wouldn’t be surprised at all of Zobrist ended his career with more WAR than Juan Gonzalez. The man of 434 home runs and two MVPs.

    Which would be kind of awesome.

    Comment by Matt — November 15, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  5. Aaron Hill wasn’t even good enough to be an all-star, apparently. He’s been flying under the radar all year. He may be the one to get left off any ballots.

    Comment by Dreamin — November 15, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  6. Wouldn’t surprise me if Mauer was left off the list. Twins were horrible, Mauer is still rehabbing his legacy and Willingham would get a few votes. (Incidentally, if you were using B-R WAR, Span would be the pick).

    Comment by Ian — November 15, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  7. … and no one will care.

    Comment by Sleight of Hand Pro — November 15, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  8. Hill, Bourn and Heyward each pull 3 votes. Close.

    Comment by Jeff Zimmerman — November 15, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  9. He wasn’t completely shut out, but I’ve long been perplexed by Cal Ripken receiving only 1 point in the 1984 MVP voting when there was a reasonable case to be made for him winning.

    Comment by Evan — November 15, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

  10. Jackson, Gordon and Hunter all left off.

    Comment by Jeff Zimmerman — November 15, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

  11. Raul Ibanez got a 10th place vote.


    Comment by Dave — November 15, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

  12. An MVP must lead. Trout didn’t lead. Or did I miss seeing him in the playoffs. Posey and Cabrera both won in their rookie year. Trout has no excuse.

    Comment by Skip — November 15, 2012 @ 6:52 pm

  13. And i should add Jim Johnson got a 3rd place vote. WTF?

    This is absurd, some of these voters must be absolute morons.

    Comment by Dave — November 15, 2012 @ 6:55 pm

  14. I love that guy. He’s a big reason why I love the WAR statistic(there’s reasons why I don’t like it though). It really tries to compile everything. Zobrist is a top 10 player but he’s not exceptional at anything in particular. He’s good at hitting, good at fielding, good at baserunning(it might be on the decline though, we’ll see next year), etc. But all those “goods” turn into “fantastic” with WAR.

    He’ll be one of my favorite players of all time when he retires, even if though there will probably be no chance anyone else with think the same.

    Comment by Roy J — November 15, 2012 @ 7:03 pm

  15. Well it was the same guy who voted Rodney 7th and Ibanez 10th.

    Comment by Evan — November 15, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  16. this was cute when you posted it in the other thread. now i realize it’s just sad

    Comment by jim — November 15, 2012 @ 8:10 pm

  17. You’re right. Trout just didn’t pitch well enough for the Angels to win it.

    Comment by Nate — November 15, 2012 @ 8:26 pm

  18. Zobrist is basically the Bobby Grich of the modern era, is he not?

    Comment by Robbie G. — November 15, 2012 @ 8:27 pm

  19. Hey, he wasn’t even one of the 25 best available players for Anaheim on April 1st, how could he be the very best in the league by October 1st? (it’s hard to lead your team to the playoffs from AAA)

    Comment by Bookbook — November 15, 2012 @ 10:09 pm

  20. You forgot: good at playing multiple positions.

    Comment by diegosanchez — November 15, 2012 @ 10:50 pm

  21. 1. The team was disappointing, slipping from greatness to a handful of games over .500.
    2. Slipping team offense hurt Ripken’s run and (all-important) rbi totals. His batting average was also a bit lower.
    3. He’d established his level of greatness the year before. It’s hard to repeat with a similar quality of play, especially due to 1 and 2.

    Oh, and 4. No one had invented WAR yet.

    Comment by Jon L. — November 16, 2012 @ 12:25 am

  22. The ballots had to be in before the playoffs started, right? I can think of absolutely zero reasons for someone voting Ibanez as the 10th most valuable player. He played a third of his games as DH, had an OPS of .761 and a WAR of 1.1
    Even looking at him in the most old-school way possible would get you a triple crown line of .240/19/62
    In the words of Alan Partridge, ‘How and why?’

    Comment by Tristan — November 16, 2012 @ 4:10 am

  23. I guess it’s also Trout’s fault the Angels play in a division where 89 wins isn’t good enough to snag the division title.

    Comment by Jeff H. — November 16, 2012 @ 4:38 am

  24. i love that ibanez got an mvp vote. he might not even be the 10th most valuable player on the yankees.

    Comment by jacob — November 16, 2012 @ 8:48 am

  25. I totally agree. Players like Ben Zobrist make me realize how much smarter I am than everybody else because nobody else understands his value like I do.

    Comment by Special & Unique Snowflake — November 16, 2012 @ 9:26 am

  26. Comparison of Grich, Zobrist, Joe Gordon, and Utley. Zobrist has some catching up to do.,7435,1679,1004874

    Comment by abreutime — November 16, 2012 @ 9:31 am

  27. I just checked, and in terms of WAR, Ibanez was the 16th most valuable Yankee, which sounds about right after watching them all season.

    Comment by Brian Mc — November 16, 2012 @ 10:00 am

  28. This must be Skip Bayless

    Comment by RJ — November 16, 2012 @ 10:25 am

  29. Tracy Ringolsby from Fox should be banned from voting. Kimbrel 2, Holliday 4 and Zimmerman 5. Youve got to be kidding me.

    Comment by RJ — November 16, 2012 @ 10:28 am

  30. Zobrist and Martin Prado are two of my favorite players. They are a lot like each other…..and completely underrated by most of MLB.

    Comment by JT Grace — November 16, 2012 @ 10:52 am

  31. I love that Kimbrel finished 8th in MVP voting….that’s kinda awesome.

    Comment by JT Grace — November 16, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  32. What is odd about that is Kimbral and Chapman finished in front of Dickey in the MVP vote, but way behind in the Cy Young. Same for Verlander in the AL.

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — November 16, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  33. I emailed that guy at his work email, and invited him to come over to Fangraphs to defend his ballot.

    Comment by Robbie G. — November 16, 2012 @ 3:19 pm

  34. I sent a very polite email to the guy who put Ibanez on the ballot. If he ever gets back to me, I’ll share what promises to be an enlightening explanation for the 10th place vote

    Comment by Tristan — November 16, 2012 @ 5:24 pm

  35. The facts that we can even debate whether a triple crown winner deserves an MVP award or not shows just how ridiculous this debate is. This is not fantasy baseball! Some advanced metrics are worth noting, but there are many intangibles that determine a player’s worth that there are no stats for. There’s a reason Derek Jeter has made 17 of 18 postseasons, and it’s called character.

    Comment by Steve McGuire — November 17, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  36. Ian says Span is more valuable than Mauer or Willingham. Do you see the point of how ridiculous the numbers get? Please someone say that you see this point!

    Comment by Steve McGuire — November 17, 2012 @ 10:47 am

  37. No, it is not character. If anything, it is the huge financial advantage the Yankees have over the rest of the baseball world.

    Or, if I’m wrong, why has Jeter’s character only worked once in the last 10 Yankee trips to the post-season?

    Comment by Matt — November 17, 2012 @ 10:35 pm

  38. You are a fucking idiot.

    Comment by sgs — November 18, 2012 @ 11:41 am

  39. It’s called outspending your opponents.

    Comment by BJsWorld — November 19, 2012 @ 12:51 am

  40. McGuire,

    I see your point and agree 100%.

    While a nice player, Ben Zobrist is ranked by FG as the 3rd best player in all of MLB for the past 4 years. In the 1970′s there was a computerized NBA board game played with dice. The best all-round player in that game was Mel Counts, a backup center on the Lakers.

    The modern (over) thinking is all about fantasy points, not real baseball value. WAR vastly overrates defense. Think about it, 95% of all defensive plays are routine. The only AB that’s routine is an IBB. Yet offense and defense value are weighted equally or even in favor of defense for premium positions.

    Comment by Tree Climber — November 19, 2012 @ 7:01 am

  41. No, you are! Naaaa naaa!

    Comment by SKob — November 19, 2012 @ 10:35 am

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