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  1. Keep in mind that Ortiz is 37 and missed a significant chunk of the season with the achilles injury last year.

    Comment by bradsbeard — November 21, 2012 @ 2:34 pm

  2. Hate hate hate hate haaaaaate Jonny Gomes. Ugh. Can’t even try to look at this from the logical angle, I just hate hate hate haaaaaate Gomes.

    Comment by Jonathan — November 21, 2012 @ 2:35 pm

  3. Gomes’ splits are better than Ross’ were, and they went with him as a full time player (and it worked out pretty well for the money).

    Comment by KyleL — November 21, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

  4. Gomes is a decent signing, and he does have okay splits. Not a great defender, but he will suffice.

    Comment by AJ — November 21, 2012 @ 3:12 pm

  5. I believe geometry also suggests less lateral ground to cover if you can play left shallower in Fenway. No?

    Comment by nsacpi — November 21, 2012 @ 3:14 pm

  6. Jon Heyman is saying that he was looking for $3-4 million annually. So if the Red Sox did indeed sign him for 2yr/6-8 mil, then I think this is a fine signing.

    Comment by Michael Scarn — November 21, 2012 @ 3:17 pm

  7. Sox also have Ryan Sweeney, who can’t hit LHP to save his life.

    Sweeney/Gomes platoon?

    Comment by BX — November 21, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  8. I guess it can’t hurt to have somebody with HR pop on the bench (assuming thats his role, not full timer) but 2 years seems kinda stupid. Hoping to see Gomes mash a couple balls onto the Pike.

    Comment by Jim Lahey — November 21, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  9. Maybe they should just play Ortiz in left field?

    Comment by Average_Casey — November 21, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

  10. Analysis missing something here. If you had asked during the season, “which team needs a high-character, winner-type guy the most” the answer would have been Boston. He turned around the A’s clubhouse and Oakland will miss him. Red Sox said as much to Susan Slusser (Twitter post).


    Number of contenders had expressed interest in Gomes, but #RedSox exec told me recently that Gomes’ leadership ability a big plus for them.

    Comment by baycommuter — November 21, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  11. He is made for the monster, both offensively aswell as defensively. Has .894 career OPS against lefties. Better career road OPS, having played most of his career in bad hitters parks. Hit chart looks tailor made for Fenway. Takes a pitch and has a good attitude. Both things that are desperately needed

    He is a cheaper version of Cody Ross, who will accept his platoon role better. Start him against all lefties. Either in LF or DH[Papi will miss some games]. Then hit him occasionally at home against some righties. Under that scnerio, he plays less then 20 games on the road in LF, yet still gets maybe 60-70 starts. If its 2-8 total, its a great sign. I was preffering either Gomes or Hairston at half the price, instead of Ross. Looks like I might have gotten my wish.

    Comment by Kmav — November 21, 2012 @ 4:50 pm

  12. This is an awfully depressing read considering the Red Sox just signed a player who has had WARs of 1.5 and 2.1 at (supposdly) $3-4M AAV over two years.

    I’d say its a pretty damn good deal.

    Comment by l1ay — November 21, 2012 @ 5:42 pm

  13. Yeah, DH was open 72 times last season.

    Comment by shthar — November 21, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

  14. Makes too much sense.

    This is baseball.

    Comment by shthar — November 21, 2012 @ 5:51 pm

  15. As an A’s fan this would make me really happy for a reason I can’t fully explain.

    Comment by Danmay — November 21, 2012 @ 6:12 pm

  16. Sure, if you take one of those boring old straight routes to the ball…

    Comment by BronxBomber — November 21, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  17. So depressing you didn’t actually read it…

    Gomes is fine as a DH (vs LHP) but Sox already have a DH, which means Gomes will wear a glove. His bad defending will lower his WAR.

    What’s a WAR of 1 worth?

    Comment by Peter Brand — November 21, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

  18. “Realistically, he’s best served as a pinch-hitter coming off the bench for when the right-handed starter is replaced by a left-handed reliever, but it seems unlikely that Gomes secured a two year deal from Boston to be a bench player on days a right-hander takes the mound, which is about 75% of the time in Major League Baseball.”

    You are wrong. He is a strictly platoon guy for Boston. Kalish or Nava will be his partner.

    Comment by coby76 — November 21, 2012 @ 8:28 pm

  19. As a dead-pull RHH (like Cody Ross) he’s likely to do very well in Fenway–the park will benefit him more than your average player–even against righties. If you’re playing him 5/8 of the time to good effect (100% of home games, 1/4 of road games), the signing makes more sense.

    Comment by theeiffeltower — November 21, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

  20. Hog

    Comment by Hog — November 21, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  21. He will do well enough against lefties in the at bats he gets, but $10M for 2 years of Jonny pales in comparison to 2 years-$16M for a guy that can play every day, field well, and run.

    If I were a Red Sox fan, I’d certainly be hoping Gonzalez et al were dumped for a lot more than this (to be fair, some pitching is almost certainly on the way).

    Comment by Adrock — November 21, 2012 @ 9:36 pm

  22. Gomes has virtually identical career platoon splits as Ross according to wRC+: Gomes vs LHP: 140, vs RHP: 93….. Ross vs LHP: 141, vs RHP: 92.

    Gomes is obviously way worse defensively (and therefore clearly worse overall) but I think he may be an even better fit offensively for Fenway than Ross. Gomes is an extreme fly ball hitter (career GB%=30.1). Fenway rewards fly balls to left field, and that is exactly what Gomes does. I think that batted ball distribution should probably be talked about more when it comes to fits for ballparks, and this is a good case here of someone being a particularly good fit. Having said that, his defense and iffy stats against RHP make a 2 year $10M deal look steep.

    Comment by Jack Burton — November 21, 2012 @ 9:49 pm

  23. I’m glad Gomes got paid. He was a fun guy to watch in Oakland last year. I’m glad the A’s didn’t resign him for that price, though.

    Comment by Krog — November 21, 2012 @ 9:51 pm

  24. I Hate Hate Hate gomes too!!!!!!!

    Comment by don — November 21, 2012 @ 9:52 pm

  25. Who were the Red Sox bidding against? Themselves again?

    Comment by james wilson — November 21, 2012 @ 10:46 pm

  26. Crowdsourcing nails another one: 2 years, $10 million.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 22, 2012 @ 12:46 am

  27. Is that you, Raul Ibanez?

    Comment by gnomez — November 22, 2012 @ 12:52 am

  28. Why? He gets on base against lefties.

    Comment by charlie — November 22, 2012 @ 1:35 am

  29. Who are you talking about? Gomes was heavily platooned.

    Comment by charlie — November 22, 2012 @ 1:36 am

  30. I hate Ben Cherington for this signing …

    Comment by Soxfan-1966 — November 22, 2012 @ 1:54 am

  31. More than $3-4M.

    You’re (rightfully) assuming his WAR will take a hit due to his fielding. However, there is no mention of how his WAR is gonna improve from hitting bombs over the Green Monster compared to playing in O.Co. IMO, they will negate themselves.

    Comment by l1ay — November 22, 2012 @ 2:17 am

  32. Should clarify. He has okay splits if you are going to platoon him. He’s great against LHP. RHP is where he starts having trouble.

    Comment by AJ — November 22, 2012 @ 3:11 am

  33. Personally, I’d hoped the Blue Jays would be in for him. He would be the perfect platoon partner for Lind, who should never be allowed another appearance against a LHP in his life. Given they are already on the hook for Lind’s contract, this would have made sense to me

    Comment by Phil — November 22, 2012 @ 6:53 am

  34. @Adrock- If you ignore the fact that said 2 years-$16M guy actually doesn’t field all that well and was mediocre for most of his career before breaking out only to be caught using steroids, then your right. I know coverage of steroids usage by the mainstream sports media has been absurd at times, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t significant risk involved in signing these players if for nothing other than another positive test makes it $16M for 1.3 years. Not to mention after the chicken and beer incidents the red sox are trying to avoid “unlikeable” players, and the fact that said player tried to create a fake website to cover his butt means he is exactly that for a majority of the frustrated fan base.

    Comment by kevin — November 22, 2012 @ 7:43 am

  35. I was excited when I got the call from Ben, that we were getting an outfielder. So I asked:

    Hamilton? Nope
    Swisher? Nope
    Victorino? Nope
    Bourn? Nope

    Okay, I give up Ben? What is the fabulous outfielder you got for my dream job?

    I nearly dropped the phone when the answer was Jonny Gomes.

    Comment by John Farrell — November 22, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  36. They just signed up for 2 more years at $13M, if they don’t think he’s healthy, what are they doing?

    Comment by Steve — November 22, 2012 @ 9:40 am

  37. Except Ross can field his position.

    Comment by Steve — November 22, 2012 @ 9:41 am

  38. One problem: Farrell, despite ample evidence that Lind cannot hit lefties, did not employ any platooning while with the Jays. If he didn’t platoon Lind, he might not platoon Gomes too.

    Comment by siggian — November 22, 2012 @ 9:43 am

  39. And what exactly is Boston saving that money for?

    Comment by Steve — November 22, 2012 @ 9:44 am

  40. It’s $10M/2

    Comment by Steve — November 22, 2012 @ 9:44 am

  41. As a fellow A’s fan, me too.

    Comment by BX — November 22, 2012 @ 10:16 am

  42. It turned out to be $10M. Does this change your feelings?

    Comment by Baltar — November 22, 2012 @ 10:56 am

  43. Except that Ross is a decent centerfielder and Gomes is a terrible left-fielder.

    Comment by Baltar — November 22, 2012 @ 11:00 am

  44. Agreed. Cabrera was a bargain for Jays; Gomes sort of meh for Red Sox.

    Comment by Baltar — November 22, 2012 @ 11:06 am

  45. “Fenway rewards fly balls to left field…”
    Only if they are very high flies.

    Comment by Baltar — November 22, 2012 @ 11:09 am

  46. Don’t know if the Rays were in on him, but he could have been useful for a team that has neither a DH nor a 1B and could use a platoon partner for Matt Joyce.

    Comment by Baltar — November 22, 2012 @ 11:11 am

  47. If Farrell won’t platoon Gomes, he should be fired. This signing makes sense only if Gomes is a platoon player, either with one of our in-house LHH corner OF’s (Sweeney, Nava, Kalish–yes I know Nava is a switch-hitter, but in name only), or with a trade acquisition (Garrett Jones?).

    If Gomes is more than about a half-time player, this move will have failed. But the failure won’t be signing Gomes, it’ll be not providing an adequate platoon partner for him.

    Comment by Savin Hillbilly — November 22, 2012 @ 12:03 pm

  48. We don’t know yet, do we? Did I fall asleep and miss three months, or is the offseason still very, very young?

    Comment by Savin Hillbilly — November 22, 2012 @ 12:05 pm

  49. The Monster giveth and taketh away: it turns mortar shots from warning-track outs into HR or wall-scraping doubles, and fliners from warning-track outs into doubles or singles. But it also turns harder-hit fliners from HR into said doubles or singles. From what I’ve seen and heard of Gomes, Fenway will be neutral or even negative for his HR/FB, but good for his BABIP.

    Comment by Savin Hillbilly — November 22, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

  50. Farrell really did no platoons in TO which was really annoying! Maybe it will be different in Boston but as a Jays fan I am happy to see Gibby back with us who loves platoons. Pitchers or players he seemed to ignore splits which often exploded in his face and yet it happened all the time…

    Comment by melochejohn — November 22, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

  51. You get -75 points.

    Comment by KarmaPolice — November 22, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  52. Leaves them at what, $90+m under the lux tax with no contracts lasting more than a few years? I think they’ll manage.

    Comment by KarmaPolice — November 22, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  53. Those criticisms are fair enough, but David Ortiz seems to have managed to hit well enough after moving off of steroids. Melky isn’t on his level as a hitter, but I think it’s clear that steroid use doesn’t equate to baseball skill (i.e. plenty of terrible players are on ‘roids and it hasn’t ever brought them up to Melky’s level of the last 2 years).

    There is risk to the Melkman, but for an AAV of $3M/year, I’ll take that risk for the upside of a better than league average player (who’s only 28) who can play every day and not be a disaster in the field.

    Comment by Adrock — November 22, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

  54. A lot of formerly deep outs in the Coliseum will become not-outs with the Monster.

    Comment by BX — November 22, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  55. suck it, Farrell

    Comment by Ted Dibiase, Sr. — November 22, 2012 @ 9:02 pm

  56. This season? Hopefully not much. I don’t see any big signings that will make the Red Sox strongly competitive this year without hindering them later (e.g Hamilton). I expect they’ll grab some pitching in the offseason and roll some of the spare money into signing people next season. Gomes is just a piece to keep them in the mix in 2013 without needing to call the whole farm up and cross their fingers.

    Comment by B N — November 23, 2012 @ 2:29 am

  57. Ross is no such thing. He’s really bad in the field.

    Comment by Darren — November 23, 2012 @ 7:57 am

  58. to lay,

    WAR is already park adjusted. Or do you think there is something in the park effects of one of those parks to require an additional manipulation of the numbers?

    If not, either transfer the WAR numbers on a 1:1 basis, or disregard them entirely, but don’t use them and manipulate them at the same time without basis for doing so.

    Comment by Man — November 23, 2012 @ 10:33 am

  59. There were a number of reasons to re-sign Ortiz, but obviously he carries some risk being 37 year old (whether or not he’s currently health). It doesn’t hurt to have someone who can spell him on occasion and fill in if he gets injured. I think Boston will find ways to maximize Gomes’ offense while minimizing his defensive shortcomings.

    Comment by bradsbeard — November 23, 2012 @ 11:39 am

  60. If Papi gets complacent with his 2 yr deal and starts showing age related decline and goes back to his 2009-2010 performance against LHP’ers then Gomes could platoon at DH. Watch your back Papi.

    Comment by pft — November 23, 2012 @ 3:22 pm

  61. Someone’s missing something alright.

    Comment by chuckb — November 23, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

  62. Not if 75% of those PAs are coming against eighties and 100% of those home games involve him chasing balls around the outfield.

    Comment by chuckb — November 23, 2012 @ 6:58 pm

  63. Cherington knows how much Jeffrey Loria covets Gomes, and can use his low-risk contract as the cornerstone of an inevitable Giancarlo package…

    Comment by Hot Turd — November 23, 2012 @ 11:15 pm

  64. this wasn’t as funny as you thought it was

    Comment by jim — November 24, 2012 @ 7:31 pm

  65. I think the Sox’ gaping hole at 1B is worth noting here. aging poor defensive outfielders often make that move and I see him as a candidate. In that sense he adds significant value if he can do both on a matchup basis. Good signing.

    Comment by Tebucks — November 25, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  66. Like you, I wondered if the Sox might be planning to play Gomes some at 1B. I don’t think, however, that that necessarily means he “adds significant value”. It only means he’ll be less harmful at 1B than he would be patrolling the OF. He’s still a mediocre hitter against righties, especially for what teams have come to expect from a 1B.

    But a Gomes/Loney or Gomes/Carlos Pena platoon is somewhat plausible, though not exactly a great situation by any means.

    Comment by chuckb — November 25, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  67. I find the idea of Gomes as a chemistry signing hilarious

    Comment by vivaelpujols — November 26, 2012 @ 9:45 am

  68. The periodic Table lacks any Gomes. I just looked.

    Comment by Kiss my Go Nats — November 26, 2012 @ 5:52 pm

  69. this, ross is good in a corner and can even fake CF for a few games.

    Comment by brendan — November 26, 2012 @ 6:40 pm

  70. What about platooning the DH with him and Ortiz? Ortiz struggles more career-wise against lefties, Gomes murders them. And you can play Gomes in the OF/1B to give people rest if you wanted too.

    Comment by Ruki Motomiya — December 24, 2012 @ 12:24 am

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