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  1. He played with a splitter at times last year, which would fill that change up void

    Comment by Colin — November 26, 2012 @ 8:43 pm

  2. Promoting Chapman to the rotation seems like a fool’s dream, and Neftali Feliz is a great example of what could easily happen. No, not just the injury; the decline in command that came with starting. Chapman’s body is much better suited to handling the stress of the rotation, but putting him there will undoubtedly age his arm, and needlessly so, since the Reds already have a formidable rotation.

    The upside is clear, Chapman’s ceiling would be 2008/2009 Tim Lincecum. But with two aces in Latos and Cueto, the Reds don’t need to risk losing their superstar closer when the biggest problem is the middling offense. Pushing a non-elite Broxton into the 9th inning on a consistent basis is a cordial invitation to opposing hitters.

    If Jocketty can absolutely not improve the offense under the Reds’ payroll limits, I could understand (but not accept) promoting Chapman, but it feels like messing with a good thing.

    Comment by Petruchio — November 26, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

  3. It’s not that big of a risk. Chapman could easily be worth twice as much to the team in terms if run prevention even if his his rate stats are less impressive. Closers just aren’t that valuable

    Comment by Colin — November 26, 2012 @ 9:02 pm

  4. Feliz had no command before he was a starter. His K/9 went up all of .6. Feliz didn’t have any command to give as he was on a razor’s edge to begin with.

    Comment by deadpool — November 26, 2012 @ 9:09 pm

  5. Feliz already struggled with his control in 2011, when he was in the bullpen.

    Comment by Scott — November 26, 2012 @ 9:11 pm

  6. Its never a good sign when you make on a decision about one of your stars on whether you can sign Jonathan Broxton to a three-year deal.

    Comment by Jaack — November 26, 2012 @ 9:12 pm

  7. I’d say there’s considerable upside in you attempting that jump-you just might discover that you have a secret superpower! That’s some pretty serious upside, depending on how you look in spandex.

    Comment by Frediot — November 26, 2012 @ 9:28 pm

  8. If this Broxton deal is for a lot of money I propose we teach these GMs a lesson.

    I propose we get J Walter Weatherman signed by a major league team and on his first pitch he’ll throw his arm off, causing blood to spurt everywhere. Once the GMs stops screaming he will turn to them and say “And that’s why you don’t give long term deals to relievers”. It might work.

    Comment by Tobias Fünke — November 26, 2012 @ 9:45 pm

  9. this entire season happened and samardzija STILL can’t get a mention in the great bard-sale-feliz reliever conversion conversation

    Comment by wily mo — November 27, 2012 @ 12:04 am

  10. I too feel it would be a disservice to not at least see what he can be as a starter. Should he show signs of not being able to handle the extra work load or his velocity dips dramatically, you can always put him back into a setup role or deal Broxton and make Chapman the closer again. As great as his value could be as a starter, which I’m all for exploring, there are also worse things then having an Eckersly/Rivera type closer waiting to make a hold or save when the team needs it.

    Comment by El Roacho — November 27, 2012 @ 12:33 am

  11. Pretty much agree. I believe there’s too much upside to let Chapman stay as closer. If it doesn’t work, he can always be moved back. A rotation of Cueto, Latos, Chapman, Baily, Arroyo sounds pretty good though.

    Comment by AJ — November 27, 2012 @ 1:04 am

  12. Wasn’t Chapman tried as a starter in the minors, and was bad? I was under the impression that’s a *big* part of why he went to the ‘pen in the first place. (Where, of course, he’s been real and spectacular.)

    No way I’d move him out of the closer role.

    Comment by Bob — November 27, 2012 @ 1:45 am

  13. Big reason he went to the pen was because the team needed a lefty reliever down the stretch in a playoff race I thought. He stayed in the role because the need for a reliever stayed.

    Comment by AJ — November 27, 2012 @ 2:34 am

  14. That reminds me, who’s going to sign Joel Zumaya this year?

    Comment by Tim — November 27, 2012 @ 8:46 am

  15. Chapman, at his best, looks like a man trying to place one foot in front of the other without falling down and taking out what’s in front of him. It’s a credit to Chapman and his coaches that he has great success over one inning. With reduced velocity ML hitters will so work this guy for twenty plus pitches an inning if he starts.

    Comment by james wilson — November 27, 2012 @ 10:15 am

  16. I see you and raise you. Twice as valuable is conservative.

    Comment by Baltar — November 27, 2012 @ 12:19 pm

  17. Chapman threw 17 innings in spring training, starting four of his five appearances. He allowed 17 hits and 2 walks, with 18 strikeouts and a 2.12 ERA. A very small but promising sample. With Cueto missing from the playoffs, the Reds could certainly have used another dominant starter. Whether Chapman could be effective and uninjured as a starter seems to be anybody’s guess.

    Comment by Lex Logan — November 27, 2012 @ 12:41 pm

  18. Yes, Chapman started out his professional career in the AAA Louisville rotation. One of the reasons he was sent to the pen was to work on his control and consistency. He’d throw 6 straight unhittable strikes, then throw 8 straight pitches entirely absent of the strikezone. He got his issues ironed out in the bullpen, and the Reds also had a need in the bullpen later in the 2010 season, so they promoted him to see how his stuff worked against major leaguers. He’s obviously got the stuff to get major league hitters out. However, the Reds have not given him a serious look as a starter since then. Each of the last two spring trainings, he’s been stretched out to 4+ innings in Arizona, only to be reeled back into a bullpen role.

    Comment by GregD — November 27, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  19. The problem with including him is the time it takes to look up his name in order to spell it correctly.

    Comment by Tobias Fünke — November 27, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

  20. Inb4injury. It happened to Feliz it’ll happen to Chapman. I’d put money on it happening in the next two years if they give him a starter’s workload for 125-175 innings.

    Flame all you want but it won’t change his mechanics.

    Comment by asdf — November 27, 2012 @ 5:49 pm

  21. They are when it bumps Broxton up to the 9th inning.

    Comment by asdf — November 27, 2012 @ 5:51 pm

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