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  1. Why do you disagree with the line of thinking that they should trade Wright? And what makes you think they aren’t far from being a viable contender? The Braves and Nats are miles ahead of them in terms of a young core of talent that will be around for a while, and at least over the next year or two even the Phillies are more likely to contend than the Mets…

    Comment by kman — November 27, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  2. I know he just had a fantastic year, but that 7.8 wins is propped up by a 25 run swing in UZR for a career -13 defender. I don’t know, I think that’s just too much for 31 year old David Wright. I’m all for keeping him around, but if I’m the Mets, I’m not paying that price.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — November 27, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  3. To me, David Wright is more like 5 years, $18m per year.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — November 27, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

  4. I gag whenever a player turns down $100M for any amount of years. If you can have absolute certainty of getting $100M, why would you ever gamble for more? Do you have your heart set on buying your own country?

    Comment by Baltar — November 27, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  5. It’s good to be the king

    Comment by Ivan Grushenko — November 27, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

  6. I don’t see why Wright should accept a low offer until Hamilton and Greinke sign this winter. If MLB teams are flush with money they could get more than the guys on the list above. In any case he has nothing to really lose by waiting.

    Comment by Ivan Grushenko — November 27, 2012 @ 1:13 pm

  7. Dave wrote: “he has to start comparing himself to guys like Joey Votto or Ryan Braun, and he’s simply not at that level in terms of sustained greatness.”

    At the risk of sounding like Joe Morgan, the problem isn’t “sustained greatness”, but a) consistency and b) showing improvement. Because Wright has had a longer career than either Braun or Votto, during which he’s amassed more WAR (a lot more, actually) and had comparably great years. But he’s mixed in a merely “good” year (albeit one that’s still comparable to a couple of Braun’s seasons) and a very average one.

    The probem, and the spot where Wright fails the comparison, is probably best described as “what have you done for me lately?”

    Comment by Neil S — November 27, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  8. Um, gee, I read at least two hours ago that it’s come out now that the Mets actually have offered Wright well more than $100 million.

    Comment by ecp — November 27, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  9. Mets have no payroll commitments beyond this year. If they aren’t going to pay to keep their own players, they certainly aren;t going to be active in free agency either. Players under 30 rarely reach free agency anyway so the Mets can either keep their own star players or be looking at a long period of irrelevancy. Thinking that trading a star for prospects is going to be the answer to their problems, I would suggest they speak to the Indians who are still a mess 4 yrs after trading CC and Lee for prospects.

    Comment by Spike — November 27, 2012 @ 1:41 pm

  10. If I were David’s agent, it would tell me the Mets aren’t serious about resigning him to a new contract. David, I would prepare to sell your place in New York because you’ll be moving soon enough. That offer was much lower than the market will offer and no player has ever given a New York team a hometown discount.

    He’ll be a perfect fit on the Yankees when they move A-Rod to DH.

    Comment by Phantom Stranger — November 27, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

  11. Agreed. If he seriously wants 7 years, then he’s going to need to come down quite a bit on the AAV. The being said, $100M over 6 years is not going to get the deal done.

    I’d offer him $126M over 7 years ($18M/yr) or $105M over 5 years ($21M/yr) and hope to compromise around $120M over 6 years ($20M/yr).

    Comment by walt526 — November 27, 2012 @ 2:09 pm


    I think you have a good point here. Wright has more accumulated more WAR than either, even if you subtract away his 8.6 WAR he had before age 23 (since Braun & Votto started at age 23), which isn’t really fair, he is still right there. No the problem is that Wright was trending down prior to this year, and Votto and Braun were going up. However, if Wright believes this year is the “real David Wright” then he should compare himself to Braun and Votto

    Comment by McAnderson — November 27, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

  13. Click on the link to see why he disagrees.

    Comment by Ben Hall — November 27, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  14. I think part of the problem is that Wright had a great year last year, but the three seasons prior to that were not great. Did it just take Wright time to adjust to CitiField or was last year the aberration? You can’t just forget that he averaged barely over 3 WAR/yr in the three years prior to last season. I think it all collectively needs to be factored in. More importantly, while Dave gave his list of players one year removed from free-agency, those guys (Either excepted) were all under 30 when they were headed into free agency. Wright will be 31 prior to the 2014 season. If this off-season has told us anything so far, it’s that teams are more hesitant than they used to be as far as committing long years to guys in their 30’s. 6yrs/$100 million is certainly more than Adrian Beltre got only two years ago prior to his age 32 season (5 yrs/$80mil). Coupled with the more recent Zimmerman and Longoria extensions, it’s hard to see how the Mets offer is really out of line. Quite frankly, I’m a little surprised they started out that high.

    The bottom line for me is that David Wright is a really good player, but one heading toward the back end of his career. I just can’t see anyone else (even the Yankees) coughing up 7yrs/$150 million for him after next season is over. If the Mets move off their alleged offer, I don’t think they should move very far.

    Comment by Brian — November 27, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

  15. What’s the gamble? He’s negotiating, not playing blackjack. It’s not like the offer is automatically rescinded if he asks for more.

    Comment by Nick — November 27, 2012 @ 2:49 pm

  16. The arms that are already on the major league roster, the young IF featuring David, Thole and Tejeda. A few OF would easily turn this into a winning team

    Comment by dovif — November 27, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

  17. “I think part of the problem is that Wright had a great year last year, but the three seasons prior to that were not great. Did it just take Wright time to adjust to CitiField or was last year the aberration?”

    or once they finally moved the fences in to make the park a bit more neutral, he realized that he could hit again.

    Comment by attgig — November 27, 2012 @ 3:35 pm

  18. First off Thole sucks. Where is the upside with our young infield? Tejada is nice player but his lack power limits his ceiling. He’s probably a 3-4 win player at short going forward which considering his age and team control left is very valuable, no doubt. But let’s not fool ourselves in thinking he gonna become another Jeter or Tulo. Murphy is a butcher at 2nd who also stopped hitting for power entirely. He’s best suited as a super sub who can fake it at 1B, 2B and 3B in the mold of a poor man’s Mike Young. I like Ike but I see a guy who’s peak will be closer to LaRoche than a Prince or AGon. The outfield is a joke.The bullpen is an even bigger joke. This team hasn’t been competitive since 2008. We never replaced Beltran or Reyes with other players who could even approximate what those guy gave us. Besides the rotation, what exactly should I be excited about as a Mets fan? I’m struggling to see how this team “isn’t that far away”.

    Comment by jpg — November 27, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  19. *Indians fan nods sadly*

    Comment by RéRé — November 27, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

  20. I don’t see how Cleveland is a good comp here. They were never resigning Lee or C.C. Trading them was a good process with horrible results. They are paying the price because guys like LaPorta turned out to be busts, injuries destroyed Sizemore and they gave a stupid contract to a DH who similarly was robbed of his abilities due to injuries in Hafner.

    Comment by jpg — November 27, 2012 @ 5:41 pm

  21. If we’re going to throw around $100mil numbers we should consider the tax implications. NYC has an income tax and NYS has a high state tax. Players signing in Cali and NY need to get a deal that’s 10% better than the low tax cities/states!!!

    Comment by NBH — November 27, 2012 @ 10:08 pm

  22. “A few OF would easily turn this into a winning team”

    This is perfectly silly. First ‘a few’ OF are well beyond the Mets reach. Do they really have 30+m for a couple of FAs? They certainly don’t have any trade chips.

    Second, and in addition, you’re imagining that everyone on the team plays very, very well.

    Third, you’re under the impression that Thole and Tejada are real players. Tejada may have a future, but Thole looks exactly like a placeholder, a cheap player who keeps a job as long as he’s cheap.

    Comment by Jack Strawb — November 29, 2012 @ 4:10 am

  23. The link doesn’t give any real analysis of the team. It’s vague and unpersuasive in any case.

    Comment by Jack Strawb — November 29, 2012 @ 4:12 am

  24. Me too, but for different reasons.

    In any case, if the Mets won’t pay Wright 100m+, another team will. I’ll guess his absolute floor in this market is 120m.
    His only risk is if he gets hit by a bus on the way to signing.

    Comment by Jack Strawb — November 29, 2012 @ 4:15 am

  25. He can believe it all he wants. No one else should, and no one else will pay him for it.

    He’ll make more than enough off of his one great year in four. Insisting that he get paid as though he was coming off five consecutive 7-8 win seasons is foolish.

    Comment by Jack Strawb — November 29, 2012 @ 4:17 am

  26. If a player actually takes three years to adjust to a park, you’re probably better off figuring as though he got lucky.

    Comment by Jack Strawb — November 29, 2012 @ 4:21 am

  27. Wright didn’t adjust to CitiField. CitiField adjusted to Wright. Rather, Sandy Alderson Adjusted CitiField to suit David Wright. Looks like it worked.

    Comment by Zen Madman — November 30, 2012 @ 9:47 am

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