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  1. Zack Grienke consolation prize.

    Comment by 0294 — November 27, 2012 @ 6:32 pm

  2. If Madson recovers from TJ the way 95% of pitcher do nowdays, he’ll be an excellent closer for pennies on the dollar.

    Comment by nik — November 27, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  3. Madson will likely bounce back from tommy john surgery faster than most pitchers. As Madson has become a become a better pitcher from 2009-11 (3.23 FIP, 2.55 FIP, 2.33 FIP respectively from 2009-11), he has become more reliant on his changeup has increased (25%, 28.8%, 34.4% respectively from 2009-2011). Nathan is a reliever that relies primarily on speed and movement, whereas Madson relies primarily on the changing of speeds.

    Comment by Luke — November 27, 2012 @ 9:36 pm

  4. True, but one would think a strong changeup becomes less effective if a pitcher’s fastball velocity drops a couple MPH…

    Comment by Danny — November 28, 2012 @ 3:09 am

  5. Correct, Madson became excellent after he somehow added 4 mph on his fastball during 2008.

    Comment by Nik — November 28, 2012 @ 8:23 am

  6. not necessarily. the effectiveness of the changeup is determined by the differential in speed from the fastball (look at jamie moyer). you could come up with an interesting study that looked at fastball-changeup differential, and it’s correlation with success, after a player had tjs.

    Comment by schoenbl — November 28, 2012 @ 10:02 am

  7. 3.5 Baseline + 2.5 in incentives per MLBTR. I think that’s a good signing.

    Comment by JeffMathisCera — November 28, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

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