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  1. What about Edwin Jackson? Barely older than both of them and will be much much cheaper…Not really Greinke-light by any means but definitely could be a better value

    Comment by Justin — December 3, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

  2. I don’t know about the article, but I would so go to a show entitled The Zach Greinke Alternative.

    Comment by Jaack — December 3, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

  3. Agree about Jackson, slightly worse and a little older but quite the steal…

    Comment by Steve — December 3, 2012 @ 6:02 pm

  4. Let’s look at the defenses Greinke’s pitched in front of before we even consider using ERA- on him

    Comment by bender — December 3, 2012 @ 6:20 pm

  5. I think Sanchez has the ability to be the steal of the free agent pool this year. For a starter, he isn’t really asking for a ton in AAV but some teams (read: Brewers) might shy away because of the 6 years he wants.

    Comment by Chickensoup — December 3, 2012 @ 6:39 pm

  6. I don’t know if you can use this argument when he’s being compared to someone who pitched in front of Detroit’s defense this year.

    Comment by Marcus A — December 3, 2012 @ 6:47 pm

  7. If I was in the market for a free agent starting pitcher, Sanchez is the guy I’d be targeting. There’s no reason to get into Greinke for 7 years and $150+ M when Sanchez will cost half that or less.

    Comment by chuckb — December 3, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  8. Couldn’t be any more right: The Brewers came in at 20th in UZR/150 last year at -1.3, the Tigers came in at 29th with -5.8.

    The fact that Grienke also spent time with the Angels, who had the second best UZR/150 last year and Sanchez started the year with the Marlins who were #21 also doesn’t bode well for that argument and their peripherals after their trades were very similar.

    Comment by Chris — December 3, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  9. Sanchez supposedly told the Tigers he was seeking 90/6 so more like 60ish% but the point is taken, especially for cost conscience GMs he is a relative bargain

    Comment by Chickensoup — December 3, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  10. Seeking 6/90 can mean accepting 5/70.

    Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — December 3, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

  11. Yeah, “seeking” is the upper end. He won’t get 6/90. IMO, that notion tells you that at least he’s not “seeking” an AAV > $15. So 5/70 sounds about right to me.

    Comment by chuckb — December 3, 2012 @ 9:47 pm

  12. I don’t see what the big deal with Anibal is. He’s pitched below his peripherals in all 3 full time years. Even regressing his – BIP-wins a bit I have him as worth 2.8 wins next year and then declining. I have him worth about 5/55 or 6/58.

    Even 5/70 would be terrible imo.

    Greinke is a much better bet. Yes over the last 3 years they are somewhat similar. But you can’t just ignore Greinke’s strong prior record. Although he’s a tough call with his fip and era discrepancies, I have him at 4.5 wins next year and declining… worth about 6/120. He may get more than that, but he’s worth more than double Anibal I think.

    Comment by BillWallace — December 4, 2012 @ 12:23 am

  13. The AAV would have to be awfully low for me to consider Sanchez as a good move if we’re talking 6 years…

    Comment by bsally — December 4, 2012 @ 1:00 am

  14. What about number of innings? Greinke has posted 3 out of last 4 seasons above 210 IP (two above 220 IP) and Sanchez has topped out at 196 IP. Then look at injury history. Sanchez has had more problems with his pitching hand than Greinke. I am not sure how comfortable GMs would be giving six years to Anibal.

    A team that needs a number one starter, Greinke is the answer not Anibal.

    Comment by binqasim — December 4, 2012 @ 8:54 am

  15. i would like to see Edwin Jackson come back to Detroit as a two inning type closer

    Comment by G — December 4, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  16. The ERA- table above covers the seasons 2010-2012 over which time Sanchez made 12 starts with the Tigers and 82 starts with the Marlins. You may have an argument but don’t cherrypick one based on such incomplete data.

    Comment by Spit Ball — December 4, 2012 @ 10:49 am

  17. That’s likely under an old school manager like Jim Leyland.

    Comment by Spit Ball — December 4, 2012 @ 11:09 am

  18. Amen. Look at Sanchez’s splits. Sure he’s tough on lefties but righties hit .291 against him. And that goes with 20 HR allowed. Greinke is vastly superior and Jackson is by far the better fallback.

    Comment by John Galt — December 4, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  19. I wouldn’t sign either, but I don’t see the interest in Greinke. Not bagging on the various pitching stats used, but after a while, ERA is more accurate. He had exactly one season as anything but a #2 SP. He was an all-star one time, in the top 20 in ERA exactly one time, finished with -0- CY votes every year but one. His ERA over the past three years is #50 among qualifiers.

    At what point do you stop thinking he will revert back to his theoretical ERA instead of his real ERA?

    Comment by Joebrady — December 4, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  20. Whether EJax is a value play depends on which guy shows up.

    The guy with a 1.438 career WHIP or the guy that posted a 1.218 WHIP in 2012. If he’s anything close to his 2012 numbers, then yeah, he’ll be worth the money. Most other years the guy has been a mediocre option with hit rates and BB%’s much to high to justify any kind of big contract.

    Comment by Zaza Harvey — December 4, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  21. If the Angels passed on Greinke and signed Edwin Jackson and Anibal Sanchez for, combined, less than what Greinke gets from the Dodgers or Rangers I will be happy. Anibal at 5 years 65 mil, Edwin at the same, sounds like a much better bet to take them to the playoffs than just Grienke at $175 mil.

    Comment by Andre the Angels Fan — December 4, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  22. This.

    Comment by Peter Brand — December 4, 2012 @ 9:28 pm

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