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  1. Yeah, this deal makes no sense at all to me.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — December 5, 2012 @ 10:41 am

  2. 2.17 ERA OMG!!!

    Comment by odditie — December 5, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  3. Maybe the Rockies are hoping Lopez stays healthy and then try to get a bigger return at the trade deadline.

    Comment by Nik — December 5, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  4. maybe they’ll finally lament and deal Betincourt or Belisle…

    Comment by Spike — December 5, 2012 @ 10:51 am

  5. I just… I don’t even… What the hell Rockies?!

    Comment by Chris — December 5, 2012 @ 10:55 am

  6. This, coupled with Nik’s above statement. They probably think they can use Betancourt at closer til he is traded in 2013, then use Lopez there the next few years. However, their SP is where the biggest hole is, and if White could possibly be an adequate starter in the next few years, they should have given him a longer look.

    Comment by DD — December 5, 2012 @ 11:00 am

  7. That or be able to deal Betancourt or Belisle. That’s the only way I can see this trade making sense.

    Comment by Gomez — December 5, 2012 @ 11:10 am

  8. What the hell happened to the Rockies’ FO? A few years ago they were great, winning games in a tough division (and a tough park), with a team that was almost entirely homegrown. Since then, it’s been a quick slide to making one inexplicable move after another and some pretty horrible baseball.

    This is where I point out that the Rockies have been sliding down precipitously since MLB started monitoring the humidor. SHENANIGANS!

    Comment by quincy0191 — December 5, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  9. There are two things things at work here that aren’t being accounted for

    1.The Rockies are run by the Monfort family who put “values” ahead of all other things. Dick Monfort and Dan O’Dowd had several sit down interviews on Denver radio this last week. Among the many depressing things said were that Monfort overruled the scouting staff to take Reynolds over Longoria(it has long been rumored that Longoria’s rep as a “party guy” was part of that decision) and that they wanted to build a culture of value and asked that people “look beyond wins and losses” Alex White had an “extreme DUI” last year during ST last year and it was a bit of a surprise that they did not trade or suspend him then as he had embarrassed the org.
    2. Of all the pitchers asked to partake in the 75pitch experiment White was the most vocal about his dissatisfaction, and said many concerning things along the line of feeling “good” about a game where he didn’t allow a run but used 75 pitches to get through 3 innings with 4 walks. The Rockies have made it clear that as they have no real chance of out bidding other teams in FA, and given the insane cost of trading for above average SP(Marcum or Garza anyone?) that they will focus on creating an “efficient” pitching staff and didn’t see white as being someone to get on board.

    I don’t think they got great value for White but if this was a dump of an open malcontent they did a lot better than ATL did in the Escobar trade as Lopez is literally the perfect kind of pitcher for Coors Field.

    Comment by Pogue009 — December 5, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  10. after they traded for the most flyball-heavy pitcher in the majors (guillermo moscoso) to play in coors last year, I can never be surprised by any moves the rockies make

    Comment by sam — December 5, 2012 @ 11:39 am

  11. The Rockies have gone to the playoffs 2 in the last 5 years and were 1 game out on September 20th in 2010. They also went once in the 90’s In all playoff years they had an above average offense, an excellent bullpen and got surprising contributions from veterans.

    Their 07 starting five in April included Rodrigo Lopez(82ERA+ in 05-06), Josh Fogg(92ERA+05-06), Hirsch(74ERA+ 06) that staff gave 16 starts to Elmer Dessens, Mark Redman, and Taylor Bucholtz

    Their 09 starting five included Marquis(90ERA+06-08), Delarosa(82ERA+06-08), Hammel(76ERA+06-08)

    The plan this year appears to be hoping that Delarosa and Chacin recover from injury to be the 3.9 FIP pitchers they were 09-11, that Pomeranz, Nicasio, Friedrich, Chatwood, and Cabrera take a step forward and that they add a vet in the Marquis mold to hopefully add some stability.

    Comment by Pogue009 — December 5, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  12. I don’t think the Rockies are nearly as far away from contending as you say. Last year wasn’t pretty, but you can attribute quite a bit to the massive pile of injuries, bad luck, youth, and some questionable acquisitions. They have done quite a bit to rid themselves of those you did not preform. The NL West has historically always been a variable league with no dominate team, so it makes sense that any team can compete any year. The Rockies are really only one stable starter away from being back in the picture.

    Besides, White was terrible. His flat fastball makes him incredibly home run prone, especially since he has yet to show any hint of commanding it. Add in the fact he seems to be a bit of a head-case, the Rockies were probably pretty smart to move on while he had value.

    Comment by Matt — December 5, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

  13. You might also point out that they had Ubaldo and Hammel fall apart, lost Chacin and Delarosa to injury and have used 25 SP in the last 3 years. But hey Humidor!

    Comment by Pogue009 — December 5, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  14. Good supplemental Pogue. I think the whole “good values” thing needs to be taken into account on every Rockies transaction. It’s become pretty clear that this has a major influence on their decision making process.

    Comment by Pat — December 5, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

  15. They should be willing to move Betancourt or Belisle at the trade deadline irrespective of Wilton Lopez…

    Comment by Dan — December 5, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

  16. Savvy move. While the Rockies are unlikely to improve much on a 62-100 record, that very record assumes that they will actually be able to get to the ninth inning in games so they can close the game out with a loss (or win as the case may be).

    Lopez – in combo with Belisle and Betancourt – gives them a strong ability to get out of the 7th, 8th and 9th innings. So now all they need to do is find enough starting pitching to get into the 7th inning – or perhaps to find six more relievers so they can experiment with a one inning at a time approach to the season.

    Comment by jfree — December 5, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  17. You guys got who??? You bet I’m renewing for next year!

    Comment by No Season Ticket Holder — December 5, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

  18. Trust me, the Rockies are THAT far away from competing. The owners are restrictive, O’Dowd doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing, and they can’t develop talent. This organization is in shambles.

    Comment by Brady — December 5, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  19. The Rockies have the worst baseball operations department in Major League Baseball.

    Comment by Krog — December 5, 2012 @ 6:54 pm

  20. The only way this turns positive for the Rox is if they deal betancourt before the season or early then let lopez close, build up his value and sell him at the deadline to a contending team with injuries or an unsteady late inning arm (tigers?) that is clearly more concerned with the present than their future, and net themselves a couple decent prospects to fill out their many holes, in this case, probably looking for GB artists that have better profiles to start effectively than White did. If that isn’t the plan, I’m lost.

    Comment by Alex — December 5, 2012 @ 7:12 pm

  21. Sounds great!

    Comment by Billy Martin — December 5, 2012 @ 8:35 pm

  22. Marlins

    Comment by Matt T — December 5, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

  23. No, the marlins are relatively competitive despite no fans and a bad owner.

    Comment by Antonio bananas — December 5, 2012 @ 11:10 pm

  24. Interesting take. Makes me wonder if pitchers desperate to get out of Coors might take inspiration from White’s behavior (not the DUI, but the other stuff).

    Comment by ralph — December 5, 2012 @ 11:33 pm

  25. The other puzzling part of the deal is that the Rockies gave up a second player in Alex Gillingham who also has an intriguing high GB%/low BB%.

    Comment by ralph — December 5, 2012 @ 11:39 pm

  26. The NL West has historically been all over the place, yeah, but with the Giants emerging as a dominant force and the Dodgers acquiring basically unlimited resources, there’s no reason to think it will stay that way. Colorado’s most realistic shot at the playoffs is through the second wild card, and that’s a long shot indeed.

    Comment by Ian R. — December 6, 2012 @ 1:33 am

  27. According to Pitch f/x, every single one of White’s pitches is well below average. His K/BB was awful last year. On the road, it was under one. I honestly don’t see why you’re saying this was a bad trade for the Rox. White may have already shown us that he has no future. As fas as I can tell, best case scenario, Lopez gets flipped to a desperate team for a better prospect at the deadline, a la Edward Mujica and Mike Adams

    Comment by Alex — December 6, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  28. as a 23-24yo in low A

    Comment by Pogue009 — December 6, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  29. He was 22, that’s still old for the league but still younger than what you said

    Comment by Stros — December 9, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

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