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  1. Someone should tell Justin Verlander to strike out less guys; I’m sure it’ll help him get deeper into games…

    Comment by marlins12 — December 10, 2012 @ 2:57 pm

  2. Tommy Milone and AJ Griffin are not Justin Verlander.

    Contrast Verlander with Rich Harden, who was a great strikeout pitcher for the five innings he’d pitch in a start due to high pitch counts and general fragility.

    Comment by VORP is too nerdy — December 10, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

  3. “Keep it in the big part of the park” sounds like a sexual metaphor I don’t fully understand.

    Comment by Hehehe — December 10, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  4. Sorry but I don’t believe the whole “strike less guys out/get deeper into games” thing. Can you factually prove it?

    Statistics seem to indicate that most of the guys getting deep into games/in the IP leaderboard are mostly high strikeout guys.

    Comment by marlins12 — December 10, 2012 @ 3:07 pm

  5. “Strike less guys out/get deeper into games” means you don’t need to pitch so fine, and be more aggressive. This way you throw fewer balls; which will tend to keep you pitch count down, and allow you to pitch more innings when on a pitch count.

    Comment by Rick — December 10, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  6. As someone who pitched as a youth, I know this was true for me. Rick’s explanation is right. marlins, you’re not wrong either; that probably is what the leaderboards say. But that’s just it–those are LEADER boards. Those guys are the top echelon, who can throw it as hard as they can AND locate perfectly. For the majority of pitchers, though, (most of the time) you’d rather they put it somewhere where they’re likely to get a first-pitch grounder to short than spend their energy trying to throw perfect pitches to get the strikeout. IMO, anyway.

    Comment by Hayden — December 10, 2012 @ 8:59 pm

  7. Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know. I would say it’s not a “strike less guys out” thing but rather the pitchers who throw more strikes/walk less guys get deeper into games.

    Comment by marlins12 — December 10, 2012 @ 9:53 pm

  8. It’s worth noting that Verlander got a lot of strikeouts in three pitch at bats in which every pitch was a ball but called a strike. Like gymnastics or figure skating in the Olympics, a lot of the results on the baseball field are heavily swayed by the fact that umpires side with better players.

    Comment by Northhampstonstead — December 10, 2012 @ 11:51 pm

  9. He’s already pitching very deep into games..he is just a horse but I’ll agree that although his pitch count don’t matter that much, it’s better for his arm to lower the pitch count

    Comment by Joseph — December 11, 2012 @ 1:08 am

  10. I pitched for 15 years, one season in the minor leagues. You’re not going into the game looking to strike less guys out, you’re going into the game looking to throw good pitches that hitters will put in play. Instead of starting of the at-bat with a slider off the plate because the hitter is a free swinging, first pitch fastball hitter, you throw him a changeup at the bottom of the zone so he rolls over to SS or 2B. The perfect result of the first scenario is he swings and misses, and the second is a 6-3 or 4-3. In the first scenario, you now have to throw at least one more pitch. So, you’re right in a way. You don’t go into a game looking to strike less people out, it’s just a side effect of making hitters put the ball in play with less pitches.

    Comment by Wade — December 11, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  11. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they’re fascist.

    Comment by Rick — December 11, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

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