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  1. Josh Hamilton around the LA scene? Not a good mix.

    Comment by JS7 — December 13, 2012 @ 3:32 pm

  2. Signing the best free agent hitter worked well for them last season too!

    Comment by Sbug — December 13, 2012 @ 3:35 pm

  3. What do you mean?

    Comment by Bradley — December 13, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

  4. Round up the crew, body shots are on me! I mean, they’re on Josh but I’ll pay for them…!

    Comment by Jerry Narron — December 13, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

  5. Wow – what an overpay.

    Especially for a guy who quit on his team in the second half of last season and has problems off the field.

    Comment by Slats — December 13, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

  6. AND they’ve got Vernon Wells!

    Comment by steve — December 13, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

  7. This is sort of like the exact same thing as the Torii Hunter signing, right? They signed the most expensive free agent center fielder on the market, despite signs that his age would prevent him from playing much center field in the future.

    Comment by Alex Remington — December 13, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

  8. Pujols and Hamilton should be called the “Bash Brothers in Christ.”

    Comment by Rippers — December 13, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

  9. Angels Bandwagon has increased by over 9000%

    Comment by Slats Attack — December 13, 2012 @ 3:39 pm

  10. If you need a sober driver give me a call!

    Comment by Lindsay Lohan — December 13, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  11. This was as much to weaken Texas’ roster as it is to add to their own. They’ve essentially had to double down after the Pujols/Wilson signings. As much as I love Oakland, they’re not going to the playoffs next year. The Angels are a great bet to make the playoffs the next two years. Overall, I think it was a good move.

    Comment by RMD — December 13, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  12. Just going to guess that Hamilton won’t spend to much time in Center. You know, with the kids running around and the smell of fish.

    Comment by Jaack — December 13, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  13. So Jeff, as a Mariners fan, are you happy about this development or not?

    Comment by Schuxu — December 13, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  14. He’ll have to spend a lot of time at Disneyland.

    Comment by RMD — December 13, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  15. No strong opinion either way. Figured he was returning to the Rangers.

    Comment by Jeff Sullivan — December 13, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  16. Disneyland is just miles from Angels Stadium — and once you’ve been to the Happiest Place on Earth, nowhere else can give you that same rush.

    Comment by rusty — December 13, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  17. Somewhere, Scott Boras and Michael Bourn are laughing and thinking about how much they can squeeze out of the now desperate Rangers. My guess is he gets “the Jose Reyes” at least.

    Comment by TKDC — December 13, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

  18. Why would Texas sign Bourne. They get similar defense and speed from Martin/Gentry. No way they even look at Bourne. I just hope they have any interest in Swisher…

    Comment by Aggie E — December 13, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  19. Dont have interest

    Comment by Aggie E — December 13, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  20. $25 million a season? That’s our payroll next season.

    Comment by Jeffrey Loria — December 13, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  21. Too bad they were in a tough division

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — December 13, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  22. It got them more regular season wins than the AL Champions.

    Comment by TKDC — December 13, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  23. Man, the Rangers are having a rough offseason. It’s admirable they have such confidence in their player development system, but with an aging core I’m not sure it makes sense to put full faith in their system right now.

    Comment by ralph — December 13, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

  24. trumbo’s available, eh? is a phil hughes/mark trumbo swap all that illogical?

    Comment by bryan — December 13, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

  25. The Angels are going to come crashing down like the Phillies did last season. You can have short term success spending boat loads of cash on older players, but long term this is a poor idea.

    Comment by James — December 13, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  26. Ironically, Loria is the one actually all about the Hamiltons.

    In contrast to Moreno who is all about burning the Benjamins.

    Comment by ralph — December 13, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  27. I think the most interesting part of this is that it now basically forces the Rangers to trade Profar or Andrus and Olt to compete.

    It’s a catch 22 though, Arizona would like Profar or Andrus (maybe still, who knows after Gregorious), the Mets probably wouldn’t be as high on Olt. Maybe Olt and Perez to the Mets for Dickey and Andrus to the D’Bags for Upton?

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — December 13, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  28. Just say the word, and I’ll buy your team – don’t want to spend that $25 million, do you?

    Comment by Mark Cuban — December 13, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  29. Molly Knight wrote about the long term effects Hamilton’s drug use here:

    Comment by Mark Reynolds — December 13, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  30. Jeff’s Mariner fandom has beaten him into a post-emotion state, where there is no sense of hoping since every off-season is an inevitability.

    Comment by Basebull — December 13, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  31. I can attest it’s harder to find balls with blue eyes, but much easier to find blondes. 125mil doesn’t hurt either.

    Comment by Frank Sinatra — December 13, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  32. ….they’re not going to be a whole lot of fun to pitch to… It seems like a lot of money and years for a guy with his history. ….but the Angel’s window is in the next few years. Might as well go for it!

    Comment by Jason H — December 13, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  33. What part of their core is aging? Beltre and Kinsler?

    Comment by Aggie E — December 13, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

  34. so if they were going to spend this kind of money, why didn’t they sign greinke?

    Comment by jim — December 13, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

  35. Yea, because the Phillies have Mike Trout, or anything at all resembling a young core, or a farm. Pujols>Howard, Hamilton>any other player on the Phillies. The Angels also didn’t make the mistake of signing 30 year old pitchers long term.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — December 13, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  36. The Jeffrey Loria comments on this site are kinda played out…

    Comment by Dayton Moore — December 13, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

  37. The lineups nice, but the money will get bad sooner rather then later on several of these, compounded by the fact that they heavily back loaded these deals. The two things I point out are, they have a pretty sketchy depth chart 7-9, and they have what could be a real piece of garbage time rotation. Hanson, Blanton, Richards, with only Williams for depth seems very mediocre in the hard hitting ALW.

    Comment by Tim A — December 13, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

  38. Call me cynical if you want, I think Josh Hamilton’s “recovery” has an element of bullshit to it. Yeah, he was a strung out junkie at one point, so partying might not be great for him. Sure. But I get the feeling that his religious awakening and 12 stepping might have just been what teams wanted to hear so he’d get a shot. The NA/AA model isn’t inerrant. There are a lot of people out there, and I know a few, who have had serious drug “problems” (bearing in mind that drug addiction is only a problem if/when it creates other problems), got over them, and still drink, maybe even do some drugs, maybe even regularly, and they do all of that without turning into junkies again. Josh Hamilton’s been caught drinking a couple times now (and if you think those are the only times he’s done it, I have a bridge to sell you), and so far so good.

    Besides what’s “the LA scene” to a guy with $125 million who originally become a drug addict in the middle of nowhere?

    Comment by geefee — December 13, 2012 @ 3:54 pm

  39. I think it’s going to happen even faster. Yeah, they have Trout, which is better than the Phils cost-controlled players (mainly Hamels), but these guys are all on the wrong side of 30 to begin with. The Phils stocked up an already good team to make it great. The Angels took an average team and spent buttloads to merely make it competitive in the short-term.

    Comment by TKDC — December 13, 2012 @ 3:54 pm

  40. Swisher would be an outstanding get in Texas. He could play the OF or 1B when Moreland sits against lefties.

    Comment by chuckb — December 13, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  41. Why would the Yankees trade a starting pitcher?

    Comment by chuckb — December 13, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  42. First, those two guys are not equal to Bourn in defense/speed. That’s ridiculous. Second, I’m not saying they should go after Bourn, but it just seems like they will. Sometimes when a team keeps missing out, that’s when they throw way too much money at a guy. It’s not a unheard of phenomenon.

    Comment by TKDC — December 13, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  43. Let me assure you that a Major League Baseball player can afford whatever his vice is regardless of the city he calls home.

    Comment by Nik — December 13, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  44. So true. Just like the Yankees, right?

    Comment by Gregg Ginn — December 13, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  45. And Cruz. With Andrus (and Cruz) aging closer to free agency. And Naopli and Hamilton gone. So that’s six core players for whom there are serious questions about the quality of contributions they’ll provide in two years. This offseason might be throwing away one of those next two years.

    Comment by ralph — December 13, 2012 @ 3:58 pm


    Comment by Other, Similarly Played-Out Memes — December 13, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

  47. its probably the only thing they have to trade… they have hughes, nova, and phelps for 2 spots; hughes is a FA after this year (and from CA to boot, if that even remotely matters). If nothing else, they could offer any of those three and find a replacement on the FA market that would be relatively cheap to be an injury replacement… just a thought.

    Comment by bryan — December 13, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

  48. Interesting – former Century League opponents. As pitchers.

    Comment by John — December 13, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  49. Pitcher, maybe saw something in him since they have the inside information.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — December 13, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  50. Sorry, are you talking about the .360 wOBA, the 5.9 UZR, or the 3.9 WAR? Or are you blaming the team’s other problems on his presence? I suppose you could make the case that they should have taken the Pujols money and put it into pitching… but I’m not sure I’d buy that seeing as the Angels ranked nearly the same in (10 and 11) in hitting/pitching WAR, to pick one metric.

    Comment by Tim_the_Beaver — December 13, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  51. What team besides the Angels is “hard hitting” in the ALW?

    Comment by Dean Travers — December 13, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  52. Oakland’s fate depends on two factors. How good a short stop Billy manages to wrangle in, and what he has to give up to get it. The bigger factor though is, do the kids take a step forward or back. I like the future outlook though, bad money and a depleted farm system, that will either get thinner on talent, or their rotation will keep looking like a serious hole. JW breaks his elbow, and they pitch to the tune of the 2012 Rockies.

    Comment by Tim A — December 13, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  53. Huh? Only Pujols and Hamilton will be over 30 years old in the Angels lineup. And those two aren’t THAT old, either.

    Comment by John — December 13, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  54. The question is, what part of their core is getting younger?

    Comment by placidity — December 13, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  55. How the **** were you able to pull that off? What’s your secret?

    Comment by Ron Fowler and the O'Malleys — December 13, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

  56. Speaking of Hunter, here are his thoughts on the matter:

    “I was told money was tight but I guess the Arte had money hidden under a Mattress. Business is business but don’t lie.”


    Though he also added: “Great signing for the Angels. One the best players in baseball.” (

    Comment by ralph — December 13, 2012 @ 4:04 pm

  57. So what’s more likely to happen:

    – Rays make a play for Bourjos
    – Royals make a play for Wells.

    Comment by tz — December 13, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  58. If tehy resign Hamilton, Napoli and keep Young does that mean they would have made the right decisions??? No….So tehy are damned if they do and damned if they dont. I prefer they save the money for betetr options going forward…

    Comment by Aggie E — December 13, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  59. Relatively speaking, for example, their OF would be getting younger if Leonys Martin is a regular next year, since he’s not currently part of their core.

    Comment by ralph — December 13, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  60. Because if the Angels offered Greinke $150M, the Dodgers simply offer $160M.

    Signing a player takes the consent of more than one party.

    Comment by Steve — December 13, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  61. If this team played in Arlington, maybe, but it’s a pitcher’s park. I agree with you, this signing isn’t as huge as a lot of people are making it out to be.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — December 13, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  62. The Angels have never been a sabermetrically-inclined front office, so I’m not sure that the Greinke infatuation was ever that real. If you’re not much of a believer in FIP and its ilk, you look at Greinke as the most overpaid #2 starter in MLB history.

    Comment by Sparkles Peterson — December 13, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  63. There is 30, 31, 32 “over 30″ and then there is 33, 34, 35 “over 30″. Hamilton and Holes are the good kind.

    Also, the Angels aren’t at all as bogged down with old players as the Phillies. The Angels rotation kinda sucks right now, but I’m guessing they fix that.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — December 13, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  64. That Holliday contract just keeps looking better 7/120 with 15 million deferred

    Comment by Pogue009 — December 13, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  65. phillies have a young farm though. it’s in houston.

    Comment by cable fixer — December 13, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  66. It’s not about keeping last year’s core intact, but about supporting what’s left of the core for the next year or two.

    And FWIW I’m not counting Young as part of their core. Unless you like rotten cores.

    I agree that signing Hamilton wasn’t in their best interest. Napoli probably would have been a fine resign, however. (Although given the issues Napoli and the Red Sox are having nailing down the contract, maybe there was some inside info there playing into not re-signing him.) The biggest thing is that not getting Greinke could be a huge mistake in retrospect.

    Swisher and others are still out there, so they’re not doomed yet of course.

    Comment by ralph — December 13, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  67. You are missing on a crucial point. They will trade Bourjos and Richards for R.A. Dickey.

    So Weaver, Dickey, CJ Wilson, Hanson and Blanton is not too shabby, to go along with a better bullpen than last year.

    Comment by Cdub — December 13, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  68. Because they’d rather trade for someone else?

    Comment by joser — December 13, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  69. Everyone is forgetting the Angels got Blanton too!

    Comment by Slatsattack — December 13, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  70. In the AL West, you have to keep adding power to survive. Don’t forget that division just added the Astros.

    //Astros fans cry on the inside and he outside

    Comment by Don Mynack — December 13, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  71. Rangers by default, and the A’s did hit a shit ton of HR in a pitchers park. Oakland’s young and getting better with a good farm. I might be way off here, but I actually think the M’s will bring in a bat or two through trade’s or FA, and they also have a young team on the upswing peak wise. The Astro’s can’t hit, but they can’t do anything well, but outside of the newcomers this division is a couple smart moves by the M’s away from having four strong teams with Texas not as far in front as they were, but the Angel’s far from favorites. The Angles are also not getting a FR draft pick for Hamilton, and will easily be last in farm talent by the time Houston gets its first pick next year, and dumps whatever short term guys they can scoop late, at next years deadline.

    Comment by Tim A — December 13, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  72. I disagree,

    Went you are as far down the rabbit-hole as Josh was, you can never drink or drug again, or you will in time, be back where you were.

    To your friends, God bless them and hopefully they don’t become junkies again.

    Comment by Statement — December 13, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  73. So they lose five years of Richard’s heading into his peak for one year of RA this really would be a win now, damn the future move, with zero depth for injury.

    Comment by Tim A — December 13, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  74. Ah yes, I remember when Josh Hamilton entered the clubhouse and exclaimed, “I quit!” It was quite the sensation. Why didn’t Dave bring that up?

    Comment by El Vigilante — December 13, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  75. It’s not like Hamilton is going to be living in Compton.

    Comment by JIMMY — December 13, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  76. He’s also going from a home park that’s very friendly to LH power hitters to one not-so-friendly. His OPS+ in Angels stadium relative to his career mark is 70, though that was against Angels pitching, of course; but the park factors in the “guts” section here or at StatCorner agree. While the A’s and M’s home parks understandably get all the attention for pitcher-friendliness, for a LH hitter Anaheim is no treat either.

    Comment by joser — December 13, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  77. D’bags….

    Comment by octelium — December 13, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  78. Unfortunately this isn’t a video game and the Mets have the ability to reject trades.

    Comment by Mark — December 13, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

  79. Pardon my ignorance but do the Angels have the pitching to compete for a playoff spot? In other words, does this move only make sense if they also go out and spend $75 million on Anibal Sanchez?

    Comment by Sean Corp — December 13, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

  80. The guy is nothing but a quitter and a junkie.

    Comment by Old School — December 13, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  81. All the Angels need now is a Figlet reunion.

    Comment by Chone Figgins — December 13, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  82. This will be interesting. You take a guy with huge contact issues and a checkered past that’s also riddled with injuries and throw him into one of the most tempting cities in the country. Then, you give him a five year deal which everyone thinks is probably a year or two too long. My gut feel is that this will blow up as Josh Hamilton scared the crap out of me as a free agent but it could work very well for the Angels. I know that if I pitched in the majors, I don’t think I would want Hamilton and Pujols back to back.

    Comment by Average_Casey — December 13, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  83. That is quite a stretch there bananas and quite an omission by John. Hamilton is 32 in 2013 and Pujols is 33. You forgot about C.J. Wilson (32) and Vernon Wells (34), who will cost them an extra 30-40 million each of the next 3 years (4 for Wilson), and provided 1 WAR combined last year (though regression should help Wilson a bit, Wells is dead weight).

    That is almost $100 on four guys who are at least 32 in 2013. And I’m not saying they aren’t going to be good in 2013. The Phillies had a 5-year run atop the NL East before falling last year. So far, the Angels are at zero. You think this group will come close to a run of great years like the Phillies had?

    Comment by TKDC — December 13, 2012 @ 4:28 pm

  84. The Phillies had Howard, Utley, Rollins, and the great pitchers. They won an average of about 95 games over a 5-year stretch. If the Angels are so much better, I look forward to their string of 100-win seasons.

    Comment by TKDC — December 13, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

  85. *Jeff (I’m so sorry)

    Comment by El Vigilante — December 13, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  86. Wiser to spend long term money on bats, not arms?

    Angels blew something like 25 saves last year. They convert half of those and they are a 100+ win team. Yet people are sitting here calling them a “mediocre” or “average” team? Funny.

    Comment by Fletch — December 13, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  87. Choosing to ignore Weaver and CJ Wilson in the rotation?

    Comment by Fletch — December 13, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  88. What do you mean? Prince Fielder signed with the Tigers.

    Comment by stan — December 13, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

  89. Anaheim is one of the most tempting cities in america? Clearly you dont know your California Geography.

    Anaheim, and Orange County, is bland, boring, cookie cutter suburbia. They living there is being behind “The Orange Curtain” for a reason….it’s a sheltered white bubble.

    Comment by Fletch — December 13, 2012 @ 4:38 pm

  90. Did I miss the announcement that the luxury tax doesn’t apply to LA teams?

    I think this is a total reflex move to the Dodgers making big splashes this offseason. Its a big overpay.

    Comment by stan — December 13, 2012 @ 4:38 pm

  91. You should read his book and then make that call.

    Comment by LuckyStrikes — December 13, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  92. Hey, now they have to Astro’s to contend with too.

    Comment by Jamie Roth — December 13, 2012 @ 4:45 pm

  93. Weaver. Wilson. Hanson. Blanton.

    #5 spot you got Williams, Richards, or longshots Enright and Mills. Or a cheap #5 free agent.

    Comment by Fletch — December 13, 2012 @ 4:46 pm

  94. Gentry is equal to Bourn in defense and speed. But doesn’t handle RHP.

    Comment by TX Ball Scout — December 13, 2012 @ 4:46 pm

  95. Trumbo’s young power is going to draw attention. Unless they choose to move Morales and DH him. But since they need pitching…
    Let’s see who needs power:
    Cleveland – Masterson is available: good 2011/bad 2012–Pretty much a value match for Trumbo, no?
    Mets – Dickey might be a match for Trumbo *or* Bourjos, maybe some spare part on the both sides.
    Cubbies – Matt Garza might need a bit more than Trumbo.
    Things are going to get interesting…

    Comment by fjtorres — December 13, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  96. My thought.
    Hamilton + (Dickey/Garza/etc) > Trumbo + Greinke?
    DiPoto has shown he’s tricky.

    Comment by fjtorres — December 13, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

  97. You obviously don’t live in L.A. – the town that rolls up the sidewalks at 11:30.

    Comment by AA — December 13, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

  98. Two totally different offseasons. With the influx in cash you might as well be saying “wow 75,000 for Babe Ruth keeps looking better”

    Comment by James — December 13, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

  99. I don’t think he was referring to Compton. Hollywood can sometimes makes Compton look like a peaceful Midwestern suburb. Parties, nightlife, celebrities, drugs, alcohol, floozies, gossip mags, porn stars, stalkers, drugs, weekends in Vegas, Charlie Sheen, rappers, musicians, fast cars, Lindsay Lohan, drugs, drugs, and more drugs. LA has them all in abundance plus a thousand more potential distractions I probably forgot. Remember this is the same city that nearly destroyed Matt Kemp a few years back.

    Comment by Pumpkin — December 13, 2012 @ 5:02 pm

  100. no, they shouldn’t

    Comment by tyke — December 13, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

  101. Tim, the “five years of control!” thing is getting played out these days. You don’t want to lose 5 years of control over Myers, Profar, etc. Richards, however, is not the caliber of player that you avoid trading just because of years of control. His upside is, what, a 3-4 starter? This isn’t a future ace they’d be giving up, and if they can get a current ace (with the chance to extend him for 2 more years) then that could be more meaningful than a cheap back of the rotation starter.

    It doesn’t really matter though, because I can’t picture the Mets considering that deal. Their pitching is decent, and I doubt they’d allow a defense-first CF to be the headliner in a trade.

    Comment by vivalajeter — December 13, 2012 @ 5:06 pm

  102. 22. They convert half of those, and they are one of the best teams in baseball at converting save opportunities.

    Comment by Sparkles Peterson — December 13, 2012 @ 5:07 pm

  103. Tweet from Torii Hunter: “I was told money was tight but I guess the Arte had money under the mattress. Business is business but don’t lie.”

    Comment by James — December 13, 2012 @ 5:07 pm

  104. Arte Moreno is a scumbag.

    Comment by Jeffrey Loria — December 13, 2012 @ 5:08 pm

  105. LOL

    Comment by AA — December 13, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  106. You’re sad. You either felt the need to post this stupid comment both here and on ESPN or you copied it from commenter on ESPN. I feel sorry for you.

    Comment by Jacque Jones — December 13, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  107. How does Hamels qualify as “cost-controlled” anymore?

    Comment by AA — December 13, 2012 @ 5:13 pm

  108. You read ESPN comments. I feel sorry for you.

    Comment by Jaack — December 13, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

  109. All your baseball are belong to us.

    Comment by KCDaveInLA — December 13, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  110. How so? Move Kinsler to the outfield put Profar in at second.

    And with Young gone and Olt up, they might even be better than they were last year. Hamilton and Young were worth a combined 3.0 fWAR last year. Olt and Profar could end up being worth 3.0 each next year. Admittedly that is a higher risk proposition than Hamilton, but it is a distinct possibility.

    Comment by Kazinski — December 13, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  111. Garza and Soriano for Trumbo and Bourjos. Teach Wells to bat left handed and voila! What an awesome OF the Angels would boast!

    Comment by Anonymous — December 13, 2012 @ 5:27 pm

  112. Hamilton did have issues with ocular keratitis (eyes drying out) from drinking too much caffeine. Though it was diagnosed late in the season, maybe it was affecting him as early as June. Might partly explain his contact rate decline. Still something to keep an eye on. Pun intended.

    Comment by Jaker — December 13, 2012 @ 5:32 pm

  113. but they didn’t even make greinke an offer at all, and now they’ve spent a collective $137m/7years on joe blanton and josh hamilton

    Comment by jim — December 13, 2012 @ 5:38 pm

  114. the message the angels have been sending this offseason has been that they don’t have the cash to shell out a mega deal, when clearly, they did

    Comment by jim — December 13, 2012 @ 5:40 pm

  115. His UZR was also atrocious last year (possibly again related to the eyes). As a DH, his WAR would have been far higher.

    Comment by Jaker — December 13, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

  116. What Hunter failed to realize is that money was tight for him, aplenty for Hamilton.

    Comment by obsessivegiantscompulsive — December 13, 2012 @ 6:20 pm

  117. I think you are clueless as to how socal works. It is endless city after endless city. Each city is completely different from the next. Anaheim is nothing like Los Angeles. There are plenty of cities in between that are nothing like either of them. There is no “LA scene.” That’s just nonsensical.

    Comment by Daniel — December 13, 2012 @ 6:26 pm

  118. The Angels had the best offense last year.

    Comment by Daniel — December 13, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

  119. I like to drug

    Comment by Peanut — December 13, 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  120. ok, so they have 2 solid pitchers. That doesn’t really contradict Sean’s point.

    Comment by vivalajeter — December 13, 2012 @ 6:35 pm

  121. Because his costs are controlled?

    Comment by Peanut — December 13, 2012 @ 6:42 pm

  122. Understandable but was signed a year before Werth got 7/126 no deferred and Crawford got 7/142

    Comment by Pogue009 — December 13, 2012 @ 6:51 pm

  123. See, now that’s just inaccurate. He’s a human being, a man, an athlete, a US Citizen, a taxpayer, a registered voter, a former AL MVP, an alum of Athens Drive High in Raleigh, of Scottish ancestry, a Christian; I mean, the list goes on and on.

    Comment by Phrozen — December 13, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

  124. Aren’t they presumably going to move either Elvis Andrus to CF (allowing Jurickson Profar to be the everyday SS) or Ian Kinsler to CF or maybe RF (allowing Profar to be an everyday player, probably at 2B), sign a SP (or trade for one), and call it a day at this point? I still love that roster going forward.

    Michael Bourn to Seattle?

    Nick Swisher to Philly?

    Comment by Robbie G. — December 13, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  125. They Angels are way under the luxury tax threshold. This puts them at around $160mil, about $29mil under. They are still way shy of the Yanks and Dodgers, closer to that group of teams under them: Phillies, Giants, Tigers etc

    Currently only the Yanks and Dodgers would pay the luxury tax, and the Yanks are said to be getting their payroll under by next year.

    Comment by Cdub — December 13, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

  126. He still had a positive UZR in left, which is where he will likely play. I also think last year was a UZR fluke compared to his previous years in Texas.

    Comment by Cdub — December 13, 2012 @ 7:47 pm

  127. You spelled “Rangers” and “decreased” wrong.

    Comment by Daniel — December 13, 2012 @ 7:50 pm

  128. Hunter probably didn’t realize they probably had money planned toward signing Greinke, and when that didn’t work out they shifted it elsewhere.

    I like Hunter, but a GM he is not…

    Comment by Tom — December 13, 2012 @ 8:16 pm

  129. Josh Hamilton falls into the category of people who cannot have just one drink. Or just one toke. Or just one any <>.

    The only solution for a guy built like him is to abstain.

    And Los Angeles ain’t exactly the land of abstinence.

    Comment by slackerjack — December 13, 2012 @ 8:31 pm

  130. He was cost-controlled (at a low cost) 2007-11 when they were good.

    Comment by TKDC — December 13, 2012 @ 8:33 pm

  131. Disneyland has a bar in it

    Comment by Snoth — December 13, 2012 @ 8:39 pm

  132. Rihanna, California?

    Comment by Josh — December 13, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  133. Luxury tax threshold this year is 174mil (or 178?).

    Also you can’t just use payroll #’s.
    – There’s about 10-12mil in benefits that goes into the #
    – Then you have the AAV aspect vs actual yearly salary. Pujols contract is backloaded so his AAV # is greater than actual salary this year. Weaver and Wilson also are in the same boat (but that’s more like a mil or two type difference)

    I think there’s a good chance they go over this year (but it’s a low tax rate for a first time offender) and next year the # jumps up to 189mil which should allow them to go back under if they want to. Even if they are say 20mil over, you are “only” talking another 3-4mil in tax

    Comment by Tom — December 13, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

  134. Good thing the second one is countered by the first, then.

    Comment by Haishan — December 13, 2012 @ 11:09 pm

  135. No matter how much Arte Moreno would like to pretend, Anaheim is not in Los Angeles.

    Comment by Monroe — December 13, 2012 @ 11:51 pm

  136. yeah that’s 3 solid pitchers and once ace. Parsing semantics is fun! FanGraphs comments FTW! I’m gonna go shoot myself now.

    Comment by vivaelpujols — December 14, 2012 @ 12:03 am

  137. I think you can only either be a quitter or a junkie.

    Comment by Zen Madman — December 14, 2012 @ 5:46 am

  138. My god, this comment couldn’t be closer to the truth. Well said, unfortunately.

    Comment by Timb — December 14, 2012 @ 5:49 am

  139. Is Hughes really a starting pitcher? With a FIP more than a run lower as a reliever than a starter, he might be worth more in the pen…

    Comment by Brandon T — December 14, 2012 @ 5:52 am

  140. The Angels better keep Josh Hamilton away from Mike Trout.

    Comment by drewcorb — December 14, 2012 @ 10:00 am

  141. The Holliday contract also has future returns for the next few years as well. Hell, the 8/160 that Matt Kemp is looking pretty damn good too.

    Comment by TKDC — December 14, 2012 @ 10:06 am

  142. Best put by Jamey Newberg (

    He’s streaky. He’s undisciplined. He’s brittle, if not unreliable.
    He can be, as he’s reminded us, “very deceptive, very sneaky in a lot of ways” when he wants. His unpredictability is completely predictable. It’s him, Josh, it’s gonna be something weird.
    He’s deeply flawed to the point at which he’s an unusually risky long-term proposition.
    And I wanted him back here.
    But not at any cost.

    Comment by stanley — December 14, 2012 @ 10:17 am

  143. You’ve never been to SoCal if you equate Anaheim with LA.

    Comment by Baltar — December 14, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  144. Says the guy using Dayton Moore as his handle…

    Comment by a — December 15, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

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