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  1. Junior has become an uncommonly bad outfielder, but is there really any doubt that his reputation as one of the great players of the 90s is justified? We don’t have UZR or other solid metrics, but I think that most people who regularly watched him play during those years would say that he was brilliant. Such is my recollection.

    Comment by M W — November 11, 2009 @ 12:05 am

  2. I could be wrong, but my guess is that by the time this bottom five list is finished, Reds pitchers from 2007-08 are going to look a lot better.

    Comment by Jason461 — November 11, 2009 @ 8:32 am

  3. FIP shouldn’t change.

    Comment by neuter_your_dogma — November 11, 2009 @ 10:31 am

  4. Why is Griffey still penalized by the DH positional adjustment? I understand the argument in terms of calculating his win value, but why should that affect his standing in terms of worst defenders? Shouldn’t we be interested in who are the worst defenders that actually play defense?

    Comment by Mitch — November 11, 2009 @ 10:32 am

  5. “Warranted or not”? That’s not really necessary. It’s warranted the same way remembering Frank Thomas as an offensive force is warranted, or remembering Willie Mays as a great all-around player is warranted. It’s fair to say that nearly no great (PED-free) player is, in the twilight of his career, the player we should remember him to be.

    Comment by Sean — November 11, 2009 @ 11:23 am

  6. I think Matthew meant that perhaps Griffey’s defensive reputation exceeds his actual defensive abilities.

    Comment by Mitch — November 11, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

  7. Matthew: would you post the actual UZR numbers for the player you are talking about (for yesterday, Griffey)? I don’t see the actual cumulative number for the play until the post for the next player on the list comes out. Thanks.

    Comment by The Hit Dog — November 11, 2009 @ 12:45 pm

  8. So much for that being his swan song.

    Ugh…I don’t want another year of Griffey.

    Comment by Nik — November 11, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

  9. We already go another year of Junior

    Comment by Kampfer — November 12, 2009 @ 12:56 am

  10. Players are DHs because they are too bad to play anywhere on the field. This series is attempting to evaluate players’ overall defensive value. Griffey’s defense was so bad that they had to stick him at DH and he still ended up on this list. If he wanted to avoid the indignity of this award he should have stayed off the field entirely.

    Comment by Toffer Peak — November 16, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

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