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  1. Not only did this go historically bad for New York, it went historically well for Seattle. They dealt Putz and got Franklin Gutierrez under team control. Crazy how well this deal went.

    Comment by Michael — November 6, 2009 @ 10:21 am

  2. Yes! We can stop using the AJ Pierzynski deal as the benchmark for bad trades now!

    Comment by B — November 6, 2009 @ 10:47 am

  3. Jeez, how is this supposed to be “historically” bad, or as bad as trading Joe Nathan? The Mets didn’t give up anyone who was an impact player.

    Don’t get me wrong, it was a bad trade. But there’s a limit to how bad a trade can be when you didn’t lose anyone all that great. It is nowhere in the league of the trades of Nolan Ryan, Amos Otis, Ken Singleton, Jason Bay or Scott Kazmir… and that’s just one team’s history ;-)

    Comment by Mean Dean — November 6, 2009 @ 10:59 am

  4. would be cool to see the phils pick up putz. if he turned out good then it would be the ultimate middle finger to the mets

    Comment by BATTLETANK — November 6, 2009 @ 11:01 am

  5. I think passing the Mets in the last weeks of the season in 2007 and 2008 constitute double middle fingers to the Mets. Signing a productive Putz would just be salt in the wound.

    Comment by Tom — November 6, 2009 @ 11:08 am

  6. Historically bad? The Mets and Mariners traded each other a bunch of garbage. It’s not like the Mariners got Seaver or Kazmir. Besides, even if Putz pitched well, the Mets would never have picked up his option. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the Mets are in severe financial trouble. They haven’t spent any money after the Madoff scandal except for the half a million they gave to Sheffield. They dumped Wagner for a few bucks and every time they are linked to a high priced free agent, an inside source claims that they are not interested. Jeff straight-up lied to Francesa. There will be no Lackey or Holliday this season. Notice that they didn’t deny wanting Hermida and Wolf. Expect to fill C, 1B, LF, SP and RP holes with affordable lower tier options and for the Wilpons to sell a story about the injured players coming back stronger than ever, lol!

    Comment by Pete — November 6, 2009 @ 11:17 am

  7. You might want to look at Gutierrez’s numbers real quick. I wish my team had garbage like that. Of course, he came from the Indians. They didn’t exactly make out in this trade either.

    Comment by Bill — November 6, 2009 @ 11:28 am

  8. Agreed.

    Comment by wobatus — November 6, 2009 @ 11:31 am

  9. i think the ultimate middle finger to the Mets was losing to the Yankees in the World Series

    Comment by Steve — November 6, 2009 @ 11:49 am

  10. don’t forget Carp. he has a non-zero chance to turn into something interesting.

    Comment by Steve — November 6, 2009 @ 11:52 am

  11. It’s not fair to assume that the Mets could have gotten Gutierrez. The Mets didn’t have Valbuena to trade to Cleveland. I don’t see how you can hold one team responsible for whom the other two teams trade in a three-way trade.

    And yeah, I’d agree that if Valbuena doesn’t pan out, Cleveland actually came out worst in this trade, by virtue of giving up a legitimately difficult to replace player.

    Comment by Mean Dean — November 6, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

  12. speaking of crappy Mets’ players, JJ Hardy to the Twins for Carlos Gomez

    Comment by Steve — November 6, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

  13. You’re joking, right? Yeah, the Mets got the short end of the stick, but have you seen the players they gave up? Aaron Heilman, Jason Vargas, Endy Chavez, and Joe Smith? Out of those, Heilman is the only guy with a decent future.

    Comment by sabes — November 6, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

  14. On the other hand, the Indians have Sin-Soo Choo, a former Mariner, as a gift from the Bavasi administration (for Ben Broussard).

    Comment by Ezra — November 6, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

  15. Nah – I still use the two St. Louis/Oakland deals combined as the ultimate benchmark – Mark Mulder and 2 months of Matt Holliday for Dan Haren, Brett Wallace, Kiko Calero, Daric Barton, Clayton Mortensen, and Shane Peterson.

    Ohter recent bad ones – Jair Jurrjens and Gorkys Hernandez for Edgar Renteria.

    That god-awful Montreal/Cleveland trade.

    Comment by gnomez — November 6, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

  16. You’re forgetting Minaya’s man-crush on Endy Chavez – trust me, he’ll end up back as a Met.

    Comment by gnomez — November 6, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

  17. i think phillies fans like seeing the mets lose more than the phillies win. inferiority complexes are so funny.

    Comment by MPC — November 6, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

  18. Endy probably isn’t going anywhere. The M’s employ Tango as a consultant, and he has an unrivaled man-crush on Chavez.

    Comment by Adam W. — November 6, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

  19. Yeah, Endy Chavez and his 15.7 UZR/150 are worthless.

    Comment by MPC — November 6, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

  20. The Mets did also give up Mike Carp who could easily be their starting first baseman this upcoming season. Endy Chavez has value and Joe Smith/Aaron Heilman are as good/better than Sean Green.

    Comment by brian recca — November 6, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

  21. Heathcliff Slocumb. Eric Bedard. The big sucking nothing they got back for Raphael Soriano, Shin Soo Choo, and the entire Indians middle infield. The Mariners have a lot of horses in the “historically bad trade” race; the Putz deal only starts to make up for some of them.

    Comment by joser — November 6, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

  22. Endy is a valuable guy… if he can run down balls in the outfield. He’s also probably out until the middle of next year with a bad leg injury, so it’s possible he can’t. And he’s a free agent, so who knows where he ends up. He may go unsigned until mid-season; he may take a cheap one-year rehab contract somewhere. But he’s not on any team’s opening day roster.

    Comment by joser — November 6, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

  23. This is actually in reply to Ezra, but there’s no ‘reply’ button in his post for me to click on:

    It’s actually Shin-Soo Choo, and the Mariners gave up not only him, but also a PTBNL, who turned to be minor league pitcher Shawn “The Sheriff of” Nottingham. ;)

    And to Pete above: I’ve actually heard that the Mets didn’t lose any money at all in the Madoff scandal, but rather made money–about $48 million from at least one of their accounts with Madoff(true, there may have been other accounts in which they lost money that haven’t been reported on).

    Comment by Jim — November 6, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

  24. Gutierrez isn’t an impact player? Dude was 5.9 WAR last year. That’s MVP territory. Think the Mets could have used that in their OF in 2009? Or could in 2010?

    Comment by NBarnes — November 6, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

  25. Wasn’t Guiterrez on the Indians before the trade?

    I didn’t think he came from the Mets system.

    Comment by ineedanap — November 7, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

  26. Mets? We Philly fans are more concerned with the Braves and Marlins.

    Comment by neuter_your_dogma — November 7, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

  27. Great idea, thanks for this post!

    Comment by AnnaJA — June 12, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

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