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  1. I am a little sad seeing that Prado was my favorite player. And over the past three years Prado and Upton have been worth almost the exact same in terms of WAR.

    But if Atlanta wasn’t willing or able to match his contract demands, it makes sense to trade 1 year of Prado and prospects for 3 years of Upton.

    However if Upton doesn’t fulfill his ‘superstar’ status, it might be easily a loss for the Braves.

    Comment by Steve 1 — January 24, 2013 @ 11:02 am

  2. I don’t know if it’s possible that I could disagree more…

    Comment by Bryce — January 24, 2013 @ 11:02 am

  3. Thanks a lot, Kevin Towers. At least I won’t have a winning baseball team to distract me from the rest of my life for a good while.

    Go Coyotes.

    Comment by big league chyut — January 24, 2013 @ 11:03 am

  4. This was not a good trade for Arizona. Not enough in return for once a future Superstar player.

    Comment by Steve — January 24, 2013 @ 11:04 am

  5. i couldn’t disagree more either… i clearly think Kevin Towers dug himself in a HUGE hole and has totally destroyed that team.

    He received a less then desirable package for Upton in a big way, evidence by the SEA one that got shot down.

    That team handles players in a very holistic way that impairs growth and for Justin’s sake im just glad he doesn’t have to live with that anymore.

    Comment by Adam — January 24, 2013 @ 11:05 am

  6. Why was it a certainty that Atlanta wasn’t going to re-sign Prado? I have seen multiple reports about them exploring an extension with him. That extension probably would be in the same ball park as what Upton is making so they obviously had the financial flexibility to make it happen if they could add Upton’s salary over the next couple of seasons.

    Comment by pdowdy83 — January 24, 2013 @ 11:05 am

  7. Mark Bowman said that Prado seemed to be asking for a $10+ million per year contract and the Braves didn’t want to go that high.

    Comment by Timothy — January 24, 2013 @ 11:07 am

  8. Do tell…

    Comment by Bubba — January 24, 2013 @ 11:08 am

  9. Seems a touch light, just because of the team control. I think you;re right that a reasonable extension for Prado is the key to Arizona winning this deal — unless the go on a deep playoff run this year or something.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — January 24, 2013 @ 11:09 am

  10. I think this is a great move by Atlanta. They have an excellent outfield in Upton, Upton, and Heyward.

    Comment by Randy — January 24, 2013 @ 11:11 am

  11. So, here’s what you do to find out. Try to express your disagreement with, like, an argument (evidence and inferences and such), and we’ll tell you whether there is more possible disagreement left for you.

    Comment by LTG — January 24, 2013 @ 11:12 am

  12. Hey, the Mathis trade was a win win trade. The Blue Jays won by getting all the Marlins players, and the internet wins by getting another valid reason to make fun of the Marlins and post lots about change in the system. Everyone’s a winner!

    Comment by Radivel — January 24, 2013 @ 11:12 am

  13. I’m kind of in the Keith Law camp with trades like these, where you are trading for the 1 year left on his contract, even if the player is willing to do an extension (such as the Dickey deal).

    Comment by This Guy — January 24, 2013 @ 11:12 am

  14. Nothing is ever 100%, but it’s clear the Braves would’ve rather paid Heyward than Prado. Prado would’ve taken more than a 2-3 year deal, and Heyward has only two years of arbitration before free agency, at which point as a 26 year old he would command well in excess of 20 MM / year.

    Comment by Brandon — January 24, 2013 @ 11:12 am

  15. As a Braves fan I love this trade. Third base does look awful. Anyone know of a veteran third baseman that might be available? [cough] Chipper [cough].

    Comment by TKDC — January 24, 2013 @ 11:15 am

  16. I wasn’t happy to see Prado go, even less so with us getting Chris Johnson. His career WAR is 2.0 per Fangraphs, -0.8 per B-R. Maybe Francisco gets more AB in a platoon? Meh.

    Comment by Derek — January 24, 2013 @ 11:15 am

  17. Oh, for God’s sake. I didn’t care when Towers was giving away his team’s treasure, until he started giving it away to the hated Braves. It’s like watching the idiot in your fantasy league trade his team into irrelevancy — you only protest the trade that helps the guy chasing you in the standings. This is a terrible trade for the D’backs and for the NL East. Prado is a capable 3rd, above average hitter, versatile supporting player, but not a star. Delgado is likely to remain a mediocrity, and SP is not a position of need for the D’backs anyway. None of the three prospects move the needle for me (what’s Ahmed’s upside — Mark Lemke? Spruill could be the second coming of Joe Saunders — wow. I’m disgusted. I protest this trade.

    Comment by CookieRojas16 — January 24, 2013 @ 11:15 am

  18. As a Braves fan, I hate seeing Prado go but understand and like the move. However, for 2013, I agree with Dave that it doesn’t make them much better. They plugged the hole in LF by creating one at 3B. Dave O’Brien from the AJC thinks that the Braves may have another $10 million or so to spend this year, so maybe they aren’t done and can still get a decent 3B.

    Even with the hole at 3B, I think it’s a move the Braves had to make. When you take into account the age and contracts of Upton and Prado, it just makes sense.

    Comment by bgrasso12 — January 24, 2013 @ 11:16 am

  19. Replace Spruill with Tehran and this deal is air for both sides.

    How Tehran wasn’t included is just baffling. Why even trade Upton at all if you’re not getting a teams #1 prospect? Towers has done a heck of a job trying to get himself fired this offseason.

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 24, 2013 @ 11:18 am

  20. Doesn’t this just open up the dialogue for Chipper to come back to play 3B next year?

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 24, 2013 @ 11:19 am

  21. I was just thinking that. Wow.

    Comment by Nate — January 24, 2013 @ 11:21 am

  22. I don’t think its a given that the Dbacks are going to play Prado at third, or that he would be better there than Chavez. Its more likely that Prado is going to be a utility guy.

    Comment by stan — January 24, 2013 @ 11:22 am

  23. The most important thing is that Towers got this done before his vacation.

    Comment by Mr. Barfman — January 24, 2013 @ 11:23 am

  24. I’d assume that the Braves would have wanted and tried to bring Prado back on a contract they consider reasonable, but he’ll likely be looking for a 4-5 year deal, hitting free agency for the first time at 30, as he didn’t come up until he was 24-ish. So I don’t think its that Atlanta wouldn’t try to bring him back, but rather that they wouldn’t want to commit the dollars to do so for that length at that age. Even if Prado took a discount to stay, he’d probably still be looking for a 4 year $45 mil deal. You can only sign so many of those guys, and Atlanta has to figure out catcher soon, and be concerned with the upcoming arb years of Heyward, Freeman, Beachy, Medlen and Kimbrel.

    Still, it’s ugly to think of the 3B situation for the Braves over the next 3+ years, after 16-ish of Larry Wayne over there. #spoiled.

    While we’re hear: Arizona could be a kind of killer defensive team, outside of left field (and Kubel’s not exactly Ryan Klesko out there). They’ll be a fun team this year. Am looking forward to Dodgers fans learning to hate Cody Ross as much as Atlanta fans did #BravesKiller.

    Comment by Nevin — January 24, 2013 @ 11:25 am

  25. I have a few major thoughts on this.

    1. Arizona had to trade Upton given everything that has transpired.
    2. Given that they had to trade Upton, this was a win-win trade.
    3. Arizona erred by putting themselves in a position where they had to trade Upton.

    Comment by LK — January 24, 2013 @ 11:29 am

  26. Exactly. Prado was and is a pretty darn good player. But for a Braves team that doesn’t have the liberty of extending their payroll to keep the rest of the team together, they apparently identified him as one that would have to be cut eventually.

    Comment by kp — January 24, 2013 @ 11:30 am

  27. Atlanta’s beat writer said Prado was asking for $12mil AAV in free agency. That’s too much for a position like 3B that isn’t entirely too valuable. The only thing is, this probably means McCann stays, and his bat behind the plate isn’t exactly necessity, either.

    I think it’s a good, not great, trade for the Braves. They get a baseline 3 WAR player for a likely ceiling 3 WAR player. I’m confused by Chris Johnson’s reverse split and their intentions on using him with Francisco, but if that platoon is used correctly, I think it will be a 2-3 win platoon, just a notch under where Prado is projected. That is all in relation to this year. Anything beyond, even a Prado extension, will probably just add value to the Braves’ side.

    Let’s just hope Delgado/Spruill/Ahmed doesn’t turn out like Feliz/Harrison/Andrus.

    Comment by Spencer — January 24, 2013 @ 11:30 am

  28. I think you’re not appreciating what a really dominant defensive second baseman Homestar Runner Mark Lemke really was. And Ahmed is a legitimate SS who can stay on the position without a problem and should have more contact and more gap power than Lemke. Legitimate up-the-middle defenders who aren’t ciphers at the plate are real commodities. We just watched the A’s, Red Sox and DBacks’ search for them this offseason.

    Comment by Nevin — January 24, 2013 @ 11:31 am

  29. What’s the impact to the 2013 Braves lineup? Brings more power from right side, but there’s a potential for several players with a +20% K rate

    Comment by Bill but not Ted — January 24, 2013 @ 11:31 am

  30. according to Dave O’Brien, the Braves still have around $10 million that they can spend this year…so they may not be done yet, especially since they need a lead-off hitter

    Comment by wade — January 24, 2013 @ 11:31 am

  31. Realistically, no. He’s done, and I haven’t seen the slightest bit of reporting to suggest it would be possible to change that.

    Comment by Anon21 — January 24, 2013 @ 11:32 am

  32. Prado was worth almost 6 WAR last year, how is that a ‘ceiling 3 WAR player’.

    And who cares what position he plays? Are you saying David Wright or Longoria aren’t valuable because they play 3rd?

    Comment by Steve 1 — January 24, 2013 @ 11:32 am

  33. does anyone believe chris johnson’s reverse platoon split? cause if he can’t hit lefties any better than he has, he’s not going to be any use in a platoon with francisco. and if he plays over francisco full time, this might actually make the braves worse this year. cause i mean, chris johnson is awful.

    Comment by chiefglockandhummer — January 24, 2013 @ 11:35 am

  34. at what position? i guess theoretically 2B and you can move uggla to third, but no way that really happens

    Comment by chiefglockandhummer — January 24, 2013 @ 11:35 am

  35. Steve… Did you read the article or what? Cameron states, “No, he’s not going to repeat the +6 WAR season he put up last year, which was driven by an outlier UZR”

    Comment by ppabich — January 24, 2013 @ 11:36 am

  36. The road to Cooperstown is littered with OFs who didn’t fulfill their potential. Upton the Younger could still “flop”, relatively speaking. I’d like his chances better if Bobby Cox still ran the team. He seems like he needs a certain kind of manager to get there. Here’s hoping he does. Would love to see Heyward and Upton come real together. Reminds me of the story of the Braves missing out on Willie Mays because they wouldn’t give him a $2500 signing bonus. For want of $2500 we missed out on two decades of Mays and Hank Aaron in the same outfield. Thanks, Lou Perini.

    Comment by Nevin — January 24, 2013 @ 11:37 am

  37. Come on, what do you expect Towers to do?

    He’s leaving tomorrow for his vacation in Africa, so he had to take the best deal that was on the table today.

    Comment by dirtbag — January 24, 2013 @ 11:37 am

  38. Are we talking about Jeff “Warm Lettuce” Mathis?
    Now that guy really wears that uniform. And the way he holds up the glove? Old school!

    Comment by Nevin — January 24, 2013 @ 11:38 am

  39. Sometimes rumors pop us because they’re actually so. If Justin Upton is lazier than most all the other Major Leaguers he competes with, he’ll never get any better than he is now. Then Atlanta will ‘lose’ this trade, big if any one of the youngsters surprise.

    ‘Work Ethic’ is a real thing, especially in a hyper-competitive world such as MLB. Maybe Justin has a sufficient one, but that remains to be seen.

    Comment by Richie — January 24, 2013 @ 11:39 am

  40. I’m usually a big fan of Law, but I totally disagree with him (and you!) about this, especially in the Dickey deal. Its pretty clear that Toronto would not have made that trade without the extension, so why is it reasonable to discount it (you have to take into account the $ cost of course). It is far from certain that a) Dickey would be available for that cost and b) he would choose the Jays if they waited. The Jays got certainty in the trade they could not have got otherwise, its ridiculous not to factor that in.

    Comment by Phil — January 24, 2013 @ 11:40 am

  41. that is a good point…maybe they’ll go after Bonifacio and put him at 3B

    Comment by wade — January 24, 2013 @ 11:41 am

  42. I would day this case is less clear however, since (we assume) no extension is agreed. You might have a better chance of signing Prado long term if he is already with you than if he plys his trade elsewhere, but its certainly of less value in the trade

    Comment by Phil — January 24, 2013 @ 11:42 am

  43. If Ahmed could hit that would be a valid point but he cant

    Comment by Matt — January 24, 2013 @ 11:42 am

  44. Dave, Prado won’t net the d’backs a draft pick unless they sign him to $12+ million dollar deal. He only made about $4.75 last year.

    You’re also assuming Prado will be fully healthy the next three years. I’d be willing to bet the player who’s over 4 years younger will be the healthier one. This is just a god-awful trade on az’s part. Tho it is marginally better than the all prospects deals being throw around here lately …

    Comment by Oasis — January 24, 2013 @ 11:43 am

  45. So? That doesn’t mean he’s a ‘3 WAR ceiling’. It’s clearly a 6 WAR ceiling with 3-4 WAR more likely.

    Comment by Steve 1 — January 24, 2013 @ 11:43 am

  46. How about Aramis Ramirez? Brewers probably aren’t going anywhere.

    Comment by mikecarlucci — January 24, 2013 @ 11:44 am

  47. Honestly, I think it’s a big win for the Diamondbacks. Upton is good, but I don’t think he’ll ever turn into a true superstar. And he has benefited from playing in a great hitter’s park.

    Comment by J — January 24, 2013 @ 11:44 am

  48. They don’t call him “warm lettuce” for nothing.

    Comment by Yeah — January 24, 2013 @ 11:47 am

  49. …and expect to get a king’s ransom for him.

    Comment by dont keep dissing the guy you wanna trade — January 24, 2013 @ 11:47 am

  50. that would not be an upgrade over juan francisco

    Comment by chiefglockandhummer — January 24, 2013 @ 11:48 am

  51. I also do not think that it’s a given that the Snakes will make a qualifying offer to Prado

    Comment by wade — January 24, 2013 @ 11:49 am

  52. this is clearly a ploy by Liberty Media to save money by only needing to print one batch of Upton jersies for BJ and Justin, and one batch of ‘Johnson’ jersies for Reed and Chris

    Comment by tylersnotes — January 24, 2013 @ 11:49 am

  53. Whoa someone who knows about the homestar runner that is the Mark Lemke, respect.

    Comment by Yeah — January 24, 2013 @ 11:50 am

  54. Need 3rd base? oh oh, pick me!

    Comment by Chase Headley — January 24, 2013 @ 11:51 am

  55. Time for Turner field to prove how invaluable Justin Upton really is/was.

    The Diamondbacks would have been much better of with that massive overpay, Seattle package.

    Comment by smocon — January 24, 2013 @ 11:52 am

  56. “Work Ethic” is a real thing. So is being “Injured”.

    Comment by James — January 24, 2013 @ 11:52 am

  57. Half of that 6 WAR was derived from UZR considering him an elite left fielder.

    Comment by KNew — January 24, 2013 @ 11:55 am

  58. Long time Braves fan and I like this deal. They didn’t give up either of what they regard as their two best pitching prospects (Teheran and Graham. While Prado was one of my favorite Braves, you cannot get something without giving up something. I realize that sabermetrics has value, but sometimes I think people get carried away with it.

    From my persective, in the final analysis, for the Braves this boils down to would you trade Prado for Justin Upton? Sorry sabermetricians, this is a no brainer.

    Comment by bvillebaron — January 24, 2013 @ 11:55 am

  59. That li’l monkey-face was a cute mascot, and he tormented the Phillies all right, but he was not a good ballplayer if you trust his career OPS+ of 71. Maybe Ahmed can do better.

    Comment by CookieRojas16 — January 24, 2013 @ 11:58 am

  60. The Braves just traded for Justin Upton, didn’t give up Simmons or any of their top 3 pitching prospects, and retained the salary space to add another major league player. I’d say Frank Wren is feeling pretty pleased with himself right now.

    Comment by Adam M — January 24, 2013 @ 11:59 am

  61. He’s already posted a >4 WAR season even with negative Fld…

    Comment by thistakesgumption — January 24, 2013 @ 12:02 pm

  62. i do not think that word means what you think it means.

    Comment by midgley's folly — January 24, 2013 @ 12:04 pm

  63. I hate that argument: their WAR over the last 3 years is about the same. Nice cherry picking of stats there dude. You convienently ignore the previous year, Justin’s first full year in the majors where his WAR was 50% higher than Prado’s (4.8 vs 3.2).

    Prado is a slap hitting MI who’s value is completely dependent on his batting average and dubious at best defensive metrics. This is horrible trade.

    Comment by Oasis — January 24, 2013 @ 12:09 pm

  64. This was my first thought too. I’m not up to speed with the value of prospects versus MLB talent but plenty of you on here are. What would need to be added to make a Headley for Teheran deal work?

    If that deal is bad for Atlanta, could they get Casey Kelly or some lesser prospect than Teheran to make it even?

    If that deal is bad for San Diego, Atlanta could throw in another prospect or Juan Francisco to the deal?

    I know someone here could iron out the details to make it work for both sides but I think a Headley/Teheran framework makes sense.

    Comment by pete2286 — January 24, 2013 @ 12:11 pm

  65. How about this lineup?

    1 Simmons SS
    2 Heyward RF
    3 Upton LF
    4 Freeman 1B
    5 Uggla 2B
    6 McCann C
    7 BJ Upton CF
    8 Johnson 3B

    I don’t see BJ leading off with last seasons .298 OBA and 26% k-rate. Simmons probably won’t strike out as much and has decent enough walk rates

    Comment by Jimmy D — January 24, 2013 @ 12:11 pm

  66. Perhaps Atlanta is hoping that sibling rivalry will spur both Uptons to their full potential. If that does happen…look out.

    Comment by jimbo — January 24, 2013 @ 12:12 pm

  67. Up, Up, and a Hey!

    Comment by Mekias — January 24, 2013 @ 12:12 pm

  68. 10.7 runs saved as a LF equate to half of 6 WAR? I mean he was a +17 run hitter. That alone accounted for more of his value than his LF defense.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 12:16 pm

  69. That’s a clown comment bro.

    Comment by Expos67 — January 24, 2013 @ 12:16 pm

  70. I like how you mention it was Upton’s first full year in the majors, but leave out the part where he had actually played significantly more games in the majors than Prado at that point. And you’re seriously going to knock Prado’s offensive game like that? He’s almost as good as Upton (111 to 116 in wRC+) and he’s less dependent on BABIP (.317 to .335).

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 12:19 pm

  71. The top four seem likely, but I think after Freeman it’s more likely to be BJ Upton, McCann, Uggla, Johnson/Juan Francisco/whoever plays 3B.

    Comment by sewf — January 24, 2013 @ 12:23 pm

  72. One thing BJ brings consistently is speed. Not sure you want to bury that in the 7-hole behind cogs like Freeman/Uggla/McCann.

    Teams are platooning handedness now, why not lineups? I’m sure there are some starters, or parks, or whatever, when BJ could handle leadoff.

    Comment by jimbo — January 24, 2013 @ 12:24 pm

  73. Disagree. Win-Win trades will be the norm among front offices once Dayton and Amaro are both fired in six months.

    Comment by RMD — January 24, 2013 @ 12:24 pm

  74. Delgado and Teheran really aren’t separated by all that much and Delgado may actually be the better fit in AZ because of his superior GB tendencies.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 12:27 pm

  75. If you’re really not sure that Prado is better than Chavez, you’re seriously underrating Prado.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 12:29 pm

  76. Not just “Warm Lettuce,” he’s “Hot Lettuce.”

    Comment by Bryz — January 24, 2013 @ 12:32 pm

  77. The only season Prado wouldn’t have been worth the qualifying offer (excluding seasons where he played less than 50% of the games) was last season when he had to deal with a serious staph infection that clearly affected his play. He averaged a WAR of roughly 4.5 in his other 3 full seasons.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 12:33 pm

  78. I believe his split was normal in the minors.

    Comment by Jamaal — January 24, 2013 @ 12:34 pm

  79. Damn – nice work mekias

    Comment by supershredder — January 24, 2013 @ 12:34 pm

  80. I agree generally, the cries of “only good if you extend him!” whenever there’s a trade usually make me cringe. It’s the contract, not the player.

    However, you also shouldn’t discount the value of signing him to a well…discounted extension. If he’s extended soon, they’ll probably be paying substantially less for Prado in the future than they would have had they signed him after 2013. That said, we haven’t really seen the effect of the new CBA on this situation yet. Prado’s the type of player who might get screwed by qualifying offers.

    Comment by geefee — January 24, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

  81. First B.J., then Justin. Please tell that Kate is next on the Braves’ list. :)

    Comment by tz — January 24, 2013 @ 12:44 pm

  82. Can he play at ss the whole year?

    Chavez/Prado probably better if they can pull it off defensively.

    Comment by Atari — January 24, 2013 @ 12:47 pm

  83. Yeah, he didn’t invent that.

    Comment by Anon21 — January 24, 2013 @ 12:47 pm

  84. In terms of ceiling, they are separated by a whole hell of a lot.

    Comment by Anon21 — January 24, 2013 @ 12:48 pm

  85. Not that much honestly. Delgado has just as much velocity, a good 2 seamer (unlike Teheran), and his change is almost as good. I underrated Delgado’s ceiling to until I really watched him pitch. He’s a #2/#3 if he can just get his command out of the stretch to a level comparable to what it is from the windup.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 12:52 pm

  86. Ruben Amaro must be Spanish for Dayton Moore.

    You learn something every day.

    Comment by Atari — January 24, 2013 @ 12:53 pm

  87. I think Upton will be a star, he turned it around at the end of last season, and posted a 6 WAR season before that.

    Not enough is being made of Delgado in this trade. He’s close to ready for the major leagues. At worse they got a solid #4 or #5 pitcher. Losing Delgado hurts.

    Comment by Braves Biceps — January 24, 2013 @ 12:55 pm

  88. Fans just don’t understand the pressure GMs are under when they’ve their big african safari is non-refundable. Don’t you get it fans, NON-REFUNDABLE! What, did you expect him to just leave Upton on the team in chance he returns to form and increases his trade value?

    Comment by ValueArb — January 24, 2013 @ 12:57 pm

  89. One >4 WAR season at 29? That’s cute. I’ll take the Upton. Oh, Justin, please.

    Comment by Spencer — January 24, 2013 @ 12:57 pm

  90. He has a lower BABIP than Upton because he doesn’t hit the ball as hard.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — January 24, 2013 @ 12:58 pm

  91. Or Towers could have signed Prado as a free agent and kept Upton for 3 years. You get what I’m saying? That the odds of cheapskate Kendrick anteing up for Prado at seasons end are nil either way?

    Comment by ValueArb — January 24, 2013 @ 12:58 pm

  92. Can’t they sign Bossman Sr. and get rid of that Heyward stiff, so they can go Upton, Upton, Upton?

    Comment by ValueArb — January 24, 2013 @ 12:59 pm

  93. Nice job, Braves. Here’s hoping you don’t sign him to an extension so that the Evil Empire can swoop in and get him after his first MVP season.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — January 24, 2013 @ 1:00 pm

  94. The DBacks wouldn’t offer Big Donkey arbitration, they ain’t making a qualifying offer to Prado. Next years offer will likely be around $14M, Kendrick doesn’t write checks that big. Prado gets moved at the deadline.

    Comment by ValueArb — January 24, 2013 @ 1:01 pm

  95. African Safaris are NON-REFUNDABLE! Why can’t you people understand that?

    Comment by ValueArb — January 24, 2013 @ 1:02 pm

  96. Arizona never had to trade Upton. Arizona never had to bad-mouth Upton.

    Justin Upton was going to show up for work as usual, and work his ass off to prove last year was injury related, and to shove it up Towers and Kendrick’s behinds.

    This Upton has never given less than his best.

    Comment by ValueArb — January 24, 2013 @ 1:04 pm

  97. Same here. I don’t understand the point Law is trying to make on the Dickey trade. If the Mets had signed Dickey to the same exact contract the day before the trade, Toronto would have been trading for 3 years of control. How is that any different than Toronto signing him to the extension the day after the trade? Net result is the same, and there’s virtually no way they would have signed him to that contract as a free agent next winter.

    Comment by vivalajeter — January 24, 2013 @ 1:05 pm

  98. Justin is clearly a hard worker, and a guy who willingly played through a variety of injuries last year.

    Comment by ValueArb — January 24, 2013 @ 1:05 pm

  99. Kendrick won’t pay for the qualifying offer.

    Comment by ValueArb — January 24, 2013 @ 1:06 pm

  100. “once a future superstar player”? What’s that mean? That they should’ve gotten more because, 6 years ago, we thought Upton would be better than he is? Does that mean Delmon should’ve gotten more, too?

    Comment by Alex — January 24, 2013 @ 1:09 pm

  101. You guys think they ever dressed up as the Super Upton Bros. for Halloween? Jason Heyward has sort of an intimidating Bowser quality to him. Dan Uggla can be Toad.

    Comment by Totally Serious — January 24, 2013 @ 1:14 pm

  102. I’d be curious to know what the final Texas offer was to Arizona.

    Comment by andy — January 24, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

  103. He’s got 2 4+ WAR seasons out of just 4 full seasons. He was also on pace for another in a third season but only played in 128 games. The other season was marred by a serious staph infection. It’s not unreasonable to think Prado’s true talent is somewhere between 3.5 and 4.0 WAR

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 1:16 pm

  104. I wasn’t saying you should regress them to the same number. My point was that it’s strange to mention Prado being reliant on average, when his average isn’t BABIP driven, but driven by a low K rate.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 1:18 pm

  105. Maybe, but it would be stupid not to, especially considering Prado’s age and the fact this is his first chance at long-term security. I doubt it matters though because I see an extension before they even get to that point.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 1:20 pm

  106. It wouldn’t be his first time.

    Comment by Baltar — January 24, 2013 @ 1:23 pm

  107. Uggla does not have the arm for 3rd base. Uggla is stuck at 2nd. He does less harm there than he would at 3rd, and his offense is at least well above average for 2nd base.

    Comment by TKDC — January 24, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

  108. What number will Jus10 Up10 wear? How about 01?

    Comment by TKDC — January 24, 2013 @ 1:28 pm

  109. In fact, he is so close to being ready, that he was in fact a decent major leaguer last season.

    Comment by TKDC — January 24, 2013 @ 1:30 pm

  110. thanks for sharing your deep and well-considered opinions

    Comment by jim — January 24, 2013 @ 1:35 pm

  111. If Dave is going to assume Prado will net a pick (via the QO) if he walks, don’t you have to assume either:
    A) The Braves would have netted one too had they held onto Prado and not done this deal?
    B) The DBacks might actually net a pick if they were crazy enough to offer Upton a QO when his deal is up?

    I think best case there is no change from the DBacks perspective (except the delay in the comp pick), and there is a chance Prado wouldn’t get an ~14mil QO, so there is a possibility this is a net negative for them. At best they traded a guy who almost certainly would have gotten a QO heading into FA for one who MIGHT get one.

    Seems like an attempt to spin the return package up…. the cynic in me thinks this is to make the SEA deal (and Jack Z) look like it wasn’t as bad as people seemed to think it was.

    Comment by Hank — January 24, 2013 @ 1:43 pm

  112. As long as they hit well otherwise, it shouldn’t matter that the lineup is loaded with high K hitters. Although it will probably give Strasburg a couple of eye popping games.

    Comment by The Party Bird — January 24, 2013 @ 1:57 pm

  113. George W. Bush did 9/11

    Comment by Tom — January 24, 2013 @ 2:00 pm

  114. How could there be reporting when this deal just happened hours ago?

    I’m saying that this move opens up 3B, Chipper plays 3B, the Braves team has dramatically improved from the last one, and he was excellent last year…I’m not going to be the first or last person to mention this. We are going to hear this up until the middle of the year, now guys like Oswalt have pioneered the “veteran half year” players.

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 24, 2013 @ 2:07 pm

  115. Who are you even arguing with?

    Comment by John — January 24, 2013 @ 2:08 pm

  116. This deal is going to look awful for the DBacks when Upton goes all Barry Bonds/Frank Thomas on the NL for the next decade, while playing for the Braves.

    Comment by Phantom Stranger — January 24, 2013 @ 2:08 pm

  117. Tehran is definitely a better arm than Delgado, although Delgado will be a nice #3 on a good team. Tehran’s ceiling is ace, Braves fans have to be so happy at this deal, and AZ fans should really look for another team to follow because this bounty for Upton is borderline insulting to the fanbase.

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 24, 2013 @ 2:12 pm

  118. “Line up, line up! Get your Chris Johnson jersey here! Best prices in town. Cannot be beat. Get the tee all your friends will be envious of with new Braves superstar Chris Johnson!”

    Comment by The Theory — January 24, 2013 @ 2:14 pm

  119. I prefer New York.

    Comment by Kate Upton — January 24, 2013 @ 2:48 pm

  120. Teheran’s upside is more #1/#2 than ace. He’s still a 3 pitch pitcher at this point and the curve isn’t much better than average.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — January 24, 2013 @ 2:54 pm

  121. When you consider Justin Upton is not even in his peak years it’s a good deal for the Braves, on the field at least.

    Comment by pft — January 24, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

  122. I think people aren’t recognizing how barren and miserable the 3B market is. If Chris Johnson and Juan Francisco don’t pan out the Braves will be paying through the nose to get Headley or someone else.

    On that note, Prado will get paid $11-$12 mil over several years. Remember this is the market that paid Kevin Youkilis $12 million for a year and Jeff Keppinger $12 mil over 3.

    Comment by legaryd — January 24, 2013 @ 3:02 pm

  123. What is the justification for signing BJ to $15 million a year, while Prado isn’t worth $10 million? I don’t understand how BJ can be considered more valuable.

    Comment by Joe — January 24, 2013 @ 3:13 pm

  124. oh my god it all makes sense now.

    Comment by ben — January 24, 2013 @ 4:19 pm

  125. I bless the rains down in Africa ….

    Good luck bro, not sure I recommend Timbuktu this time of year, AQIM and all.

    Comment by toto — January 24, 2013 @ 4:26 pm

  126. What I was getting at, was that while to say that he is a 3 WAR ceiling is ridiculous, however to use last season’s WAR as a rebuttal is also incorrect.

    The correct measure of his value has been pretty well covered above.

    Comment by ppabich — January 24, 2013 @ 4:29 pm

  127. “If they were crazy enough to offer Upton a QO when his deal is up”?

    Save some of dat gud shyt for the rest of us, bro.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — January 24, 2013 @ 4:30 pm

  128. Why would you say that? The finished with 83 wins and blew 20 saves.

    Comment by ppabich — January 24, 2013 @ 4:38 pm

  129. Sounds like a law firm, not an outfield.

    Comment by chanelclemente — January 24, 2013 @ 4:55 pm

  130. The Diamondbacks will almost certainly make Prado a qualifying offer assuming they dont extend him. Third base is incredibly thin. Even if Prados agent thinks he will only get 9 or 10 million in free agency he will decline that for a long term offer.

    Comment by Joel — January 24, 2013 @ 5:04 pm

  131. It’s funny that Dave wrote this article basically saying Prado for Upton is a wash. I’m sensing there is probably still a little bitterness that Upton turned down a trade to his hometown team. I’m sure that the tone of the article would be a little different if he was headed to Seattle.

    Comment by Chris — January 24, 2013 @ 5:05 pm

  132. Oh god… Based on the past few seasons, there hasn’t been a big difference between the players. There is a clear advantage for Upton for years past next. But for next season, there really isn’t that much of a difference.

    Comment by ppabich — January 24, 2013 @ 5:09 pm

  133. Dave wasn’t exactly disappointed that the M’s deal for Upton fell through.

    Comment by Choo — January 24, 2013 @ 5:10 pm

  134. you obviously don’t know justin upton

    Comment by fen — January 24, 2013 @ 5:38 pm

  135. I like this trade for Arizona not the Braves. As a Nats fan I am happy with this trade. The braves now have a huge gaping hole at third base. A hole probably big enough to keep them from the playoffs. They added a marginally better player in the outfield over who they would have played there (two wins maybe probably one win). The took chemistry away and added a problem player next to his problem player brother. I do not see the braves as anything more than an 85 win team now. So that makes me happy!!!

    Comment by Kiss my Go Nats — January 24, 2013 @ 5:58 pm

  136. #annoying

    Comment by NotTwitter — January 24, 2013 @ 6:27 pm

  137. Player A’s WAR

    2012 – 2.1;
    2011 – 5.7;
    2010 – 1.4;
    2009 – 3.8;
    2008 – .7,
    2007 – negative .6.

    Player B’s WAR

    2012 – 5.4;
    2011 – 1.8;
    2010 – 4.9;
    2009 – 2.8;
    2008 – 1.5;
    2007 – 0;
    2006 – negative .6

    I dont think this is all that great of a deal for the Braves. I have read that Justin Upton’s contract is 10 million, 14 million and 14 million. He is Player A above. Looking at his WAR totals over the past 5 years, and
    assuming a free agent WAR is 5 million per, Justin Upton’s 2014 and 2015 do not like a great deal.

    Comment by WAR list — January 24, 2013 @ 6:59 pm

  138. 29 blown saves, but who’s counting?

    signed
    A Brewer fan

    Comment by David B — January 24, 2013 @ 7:11 pm

  139. From a braves standpoint I’m not sure how much I like this. I believe upton will outperform prado, but will it be by enough to compensate for the loss at third? If the braves handles things internally, they would have used a weird platoon with prado alternatin between third and left and reed Johnson splitting abs with Francisco. That’s a much better platoon than Johnson and Francisco, both of which can’t hit lefties. Plus, there is no longer a decent Obp guy to lead off- I seriously doubt Simmons can handle it. I like upton a lot, but I am concerned that these losses won’t be overcome by what Justin provides

    Comment by Justin b — January 24, 2013 @ 7:18 pm

  140. unless you really want some serious WAR

    Comment by toto — January 24, 2013 @ 7:36 pm

  141. It’s slightly misleading posting it like this. Upton is entering his prime as Prado leaves it.

    Having said that, Martin Prado is tragically (or criminally, if there’s such a thing) underrated and has been for a number of years. No argument there.

    Comment by jcxy — January 24, 2013 @ 7:59 pm

  142. Forget salaries, the Braves are a better team in 2013 with Bourn+Prado than Francisco/Johnson+Upton, right?

    Comment by larry jones — January 24, 2013 @ 8:02 pm

  143. DOB said that Prado was seeking $12m AAV on an extension and the braves weren’t willing to go that high.

    Comment by NickB — January 24, 2013 @ 8:35 pm

  144. Oh and BJ is more valuable cuz he has power and plays a premium position. cash digs the long ball, especially from SS,CF and C

    Comment by NickB — January 24, 2013 @ 8:36 pm

  145. Indeed, I think once the extension talks broke down between Prado and the team that Frank Wren thought, “hmmm, if I make him a QO, he might take it as it’s more $$$ than he gets for 1 yr of FA, but I can’t let him go and not make him an offer as we need the draft pick” so he decided to get value from him now.

    Comment by NickB — January 24, 2013 @ 8:47 pm

  146. I think Prado is an underrated player for sure but he is 29-30. If you compare him to another player on fangraphs like Placido Polanco he is very similar but better. Polanco started declining right about now. peak years are 27-29 in my eyes except for a few outliers. Would I trade 1 year of Placido Polanco for a 25yr OF that has received MVP votes in his age 23yr. Yes. Now consider that j-up is under control for 3 years. Also, maybe his big brother will keep him in line. Also Braves have “professionals” to assit him as well. McCann, Hudson, Uggla, even Heyward and freeman get the other side of the game. AZ did not have a lot of guys like that. Maybe Chipper can give him a call. I doubt he was wanted in AZ and that may affect people. Look at how a manger like Ozzie and Valentine have hurt clubs. I have had a jerky boss that did not appreciate me and believe me I would not take a bullet for him or run headlong into an OF wall either. I am targeting J-up in all my roto leagues this year. He will be undervalued. I like his potential to be kept in for anther 3 years in my keeper leagues. Braves do to.

    Speaking of fantasy anyone interested in joining an ATL based league. Let me know.

    Comment by Andy — January 24, 2013 @ 9:15 pm

  147. You really, really shouldn’t be happy. The Nats are still the best team in baseball, but this trade means that the Braves will make a fight of it.

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — January 24, 2013 @ 9:42 pm

  148. An interesting thing I noticed about Upton: on defense, he spent a lot of time looking at the scoreboard. In other words, his focus on the game was not reliable. This may account for his poor decision-making as to where to throw the ball when it reached him.

    The hitting trouble he had last season seemed to be magnified by a tendency to throw silly tantrums when he struck out in a clutch situation.

    From boyhood, I remember Willie Mays at about age 25 saying that a player should always be thinking two or three plays ahead and know where to throw the ball when it was hit to him. I don’t think Upton heard this advice.

    Thought: in high school, Upton was a shortstop. I often wondered why the Snakes didn’t try him there last year, when he wasn’t really doing well in the outfield, and the team needed a shortstop. I can’t believe Gibson and the coaches weren’t aware of Upton’s history – but the fact that they never tried Upton at short makes one wonder if there wasn’t something they saw that discouraged them from at least considering moving Upton to short. Also note that a shortstop is almost guaranteed to be involved in the game pretty much all the time, while a right fielder can often take little breaks to watch the scoreboard or look for pretty girls in the stands.

    Also, we have to remember that Upton is probably worth more to the Braves than he was to the Diamondbacks. The opposite may be the case for Prado, since he solves a major problem for the D-backs, but they can easily fill the right-field slot.

    All in all, I think the two teams made a good trade for each side, but each side also acquires some risk. The Diamondbacks got prospects who may turn out, in the long run, to be important. The third-baseman the Braves got along with J-Up did not impress anyone in Arizona last year. I seem to remember his “natural position” is first base. I have rarely been impressed by first basemen converted to playing third.

    Comment by JohnnyD — January 24, 2013 @ 10:08 pm

  149. Why does this particular comp matter?

    Comment by TKDC — January 24, 2013 @ 11:44 pm

  150. Well, Upton put up 300% of Young’s career WAR in 2012 in a down/injury year, but otherwise, good argument. Really makes one think. Steve’s phrasing was bad. Your argument is worse.

    Comment by davisnc — January 25, 2013 @ 12:10 am

  151. Disregard. Too many BAC (Beers Above Civility). I know what you mean, obviously.

    Comment by davisnc — January 25, 2013 @ 12:20 am

  152. Agreed. This, to me, is a _much_ more reasonable deal for the acquiring team, Atlanta, than the Seattle pratfall that was called off. Upton’s variability is a risk, but Atlanta can work with that, and has him for three years. Even Upton’s mean projection is good, given his D and other attributes. Atlanta could survive a down year in there. If they get a 6 win season out of J. Upton, or even two, its a major payoff. They had to give up a fine player to get him, but he was the one they figure to be moving, and Prado only had one year of control left anyway. The rest they gave up, Stuff, is mostly a little rotation depth, which the open market can fill about as well. All in all, a good balance of give up to get for Atlanta.

    For Arizona, it all comes down to whether they sign Prado long-term. If yes, then it mostly grades out. If not, then it’s not pretty—but they’d painted themselves into a corner by deciding to deal Upton, so there it is. Arizona didn’t have to get a major leaguer back, given that they had a too full outfield already, and it made sense for Towers to try to get high-projection prospects on the comeback like he’s been trying all winter. Only problem is, Towers set the price so high only one set of greater fools geeked, an thankfully for the Mariners Upton said no. Given what Arizona settled for, it’s only more evident what a huge overpay the Seattle package was. Yes, since they were _prospects_ one nowadays has to give up for for ‘certainties’ of major league regulars. But the package of prospects Seattle put on the table grades out as much more upside than the package Atlanta closed the deal on.

    I’m glad we won’t have to talk bout this anymore. Good luck to Upton to show what he’s really made of; Atlanta will be an optimal place to show off his game, and he’s got a reasonable shot at postseason play also.

    Comment by Balthazar — January 25, 2013 @ 12:46 am

  153. I don’t see how they can hit Simmons first. Though BJ’s on base skills seem to have declined, it makes most sense to put your best hitters toward the top of the lineup to get them as many plate appearances as possible. I think they’ll start out with BJ hitting first, placing an emphasis on patience in spring training. If he can’t cut it for a while, they’ll drop him in the order.

    Despite the defensive hole at 3B, the lineup is good enough with Upton, Upton, Heyward, McCann, Freeman, Uggla to offset the lack of hitting from 3B and/or SS.

    I think Brandon Inge is still available. :)

    Comment by Randy — January 25, 2013 @ 2:27 am

  154. Enough with the stupid hashtags….

    Comment by 4233 — January 25, 2013 @ 4:17 am

  155. I’m just hoping that if Justin Verlander marries Kate Upton, he takes her last name.

    Comment by ralph — January 25, 2013 @ 4:20 am

  156. As a fellow Nats fan i say you are way off base….Look at the teams on paper and the only advantage the Nats have is starting pitching, which the Braves have enough to be good{and even better if Beachy somehow recovers quicker than expected} Its not going to be a cakewalk by anymeans and if you can’t see that this helps Atlanta, you are crazy…The Braves got rid of the 3rd base version of Ichiro, good d, slap hitter….That Line-up is gonna be tough and if it comes together for them they are looking at 95-100 wins…Its gonna be tight..

    Comment by 4233 — January 25, 2013 @ 4:43 am

  157. WAR is so damn misleading and overrated, its nuts….What I see is a 25 yr old CF who with no injuries could leave your WAR analysis as a baseless afterthought…Do you consider a menacing injury into your WAR caculation?? Do you also consider the “change of scenery” factor?? Do you consider Prado is about to turn 30 and if this website is your bible, then you would have read the artical about players in their age 30+ years declining and declining quickly…WAR isnt the answer for everything…

    Comment by 4233 — January 25, 2013 @ 4:53 am

  158. Declare your interest, Nitram.

    Comment by Nitsuj Notpu — January 25, 2013 @ 6:06 am

  159. Just so I’m clear: you’re saying that the addition of “two wins maybe probably one win” will make the 94-win Braves an 85-win team? Yeah, I’m not that clear.

    Comment by Adam — January 25, 2013 @ 9:11 am

  160. because that was a plausible option as well, from a talent standpoint.

    Comment by larry jones — January 25, 2013 @ 9:32 am

  161. Or maybe Towers is heading out there to bring back the newest Upton

    Comment by toto — January 25, 2013 @ 9:49 am

  162. “he would command well in excess of 20 MM / year”

    I’m not certain of this. He derives a fair share of value from walking and getting on base, not from hitting 40 HR (at least not yet), and having a low batting average while drawing walks has gotten him benched for George Costanza (or whatever) at times.

    Not saying that he shouldn’t get 20 mil per, just that some of his skills may be somewhat undervalued by certain GM’s looking for 40 HR and/or a .300 BA.

    Comment by Jason B — January 25, 2013 @ 10:16 am

  163. If you entice Chipper into coming back, who’s playing third the 70 games he’s on the shelf?

    Comment by Jason B — January 25, 2013 @ 10:24 am

  164. I recommend Timbuk3. Oh god they were clever and hip. I mean, look at that name!!

    Comment by Jason B — January 25, 2013 @ 10:30 am

  165. This exact same comment word for word was on the mlbtr article written on the trade. Mind-boggling.

    Comment by Jaysfan — January 25, 2013 @ 11:58 am

  166. Prado’s agent informed the Braves that he wanted a 4 to 5 year extension that averaged $12 million / year. The Braves were not comfortable with paying Prado $12 mill / year especially considering his current age.

    My opinion, anytime a team has a tradeable player in his free agent year that refuses the team’s offer pre season, unless he is THE player that puts the team over the top in regard to the playoffs, they need to trade him pre season to get his highest trade value.

    Example: Texiera was offerred $20 mill / year for 6 years before the start of his free agent year – he refused. The Braves knowing, due to salary restraints that the $20 mill / yr – 6 year offer was their best should have traded him immediately. Instead they waited to the deadline and got players that never worked out in Atlanta.

    Texiera was an important cog in the Braves team that year but the overall make up of the team was not play off caliber. The Braves would have been better off trading him

    Prado, a very important member for the Braves is not the difference between them going to the playoffs or going deep into the playoffs. The Braves need additional performance to make that happen. The Braves are betting on J Upton’s upside being realized. The difference between Upton’s upside and Prado’s is enough of a difference to change outcomes in a playoff scenario.

    Sometimes trades work out the way the GM imagines, sometimes not. The Braves $95 mill +/- salary requires that they take some reasonable chances to thrust themselves deeper into the playoffs.

    If J Upton has a mediocre year the Braves can still make the playoffs, as they probably could have with Prado. But if Upton has a great year he could help propel them deep into the playoffs.

    The Braves now are a pitching / defense oriented team with good upside offensive potential.

    Comment by jmart1951 — January 25, 2013 @ 11:59 am

  167. Towers has stated that Prado’s willingness to discuss an extension was the only way the deal got made. If Prado’s agent had said that they were going to wait and test the Free Agent market the deal would not have been made.

    It was also stated that discussions with Prado’s agent about an extension have already begun.

    Comment by jmart1951 — January 25, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

  168. The backup third baseman.

    Comment by TKDC — January 25, 2013 @ 3:57 pm

  169. Assuming Justin Upton gets 15 War over the next three seasons, and again assuming 5 million per WAR, the Braves get 37 million of value from the Justin Upton portion of the trade. Assuming Prado and Chris Johnson get WAR exactly to their contracts, that means the Braves get 37 million of value for the 4 prospects they sent to the Diamondbacks. That seems pretty decent. If Justin Upton gets 9 WAR over the next three seasons, the Braves 7 million of value for the 4 prospects.

    I think it is decently possible that Prado gets more WAR than his contract, and that Chris Johnson gets less WAR than his arb year contracts.

    Comment by War List — January 25, 2013 @ 5:55 pm

  170. Agreed 100x over

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 26, 2013 @ 12:39 pm

  171. “Though BJ’s on base skills seem to have declined, it makes most sense to put your best hitters toward the top of the lineup to get them as many plate appearances as possible.”

    So you want the guy who gets on base the least to get the most PA’s? No. That’s not going to work. Simmons-Heyward-JUp-Freeman-McCann-BJ-Uggla is the way to go.

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 26, 2013 @ 12:43 pm

  172. “An interesting thing I noticed about Upton: on defense, he spent a lot of time looking at the scoreboard. In other words, his focus on the game was not reliable.”

    You probably shouldn’t believe in AZ’s media telling you silly things like that actually matter. Upton is 25 and still learning the game. He is already a beast, the owner of a top 5 MVP placing, and will have several more top 5 in the MVP seasons before all is said and done. The Diamondbacks made a MASSIVE error when they placed “culture” over talent. They disliked Upton for reasons that have absolutely zero impact on the outcomes of games, and are pulling these ridiculous quotes out to try and justify Towers sheer idiocy.

    Culture has never, ever, ever played a part in a teams success. Look no further than the 3-peating A’s, the late 70’s Yankees or even Barry Bonds most successful team featuring his mortal enemy Jeff Kent who would fight in the dugout on the regular. Sure, there have been teams with great vibes who win, buts that because they also had HOF talents on them. Out of any current player on the Braves or Dbax, Justin Upton is the one most likely to end up there. AZ traded him, and didn’t get the other teams’ best prospect in return, so they failed not only in creating a situation that played no purpose in winning/losing to give reason to get rid of him, but also in not getting just reward for him in a trade. I’d be beyond furious if I was a AZ fan, now I’m just rooting for JUp to show Towers&Gibson just how dumb they are.

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 26, 2013 @ 12:52 pm

  173. You are literally saying a pre-prime Justin Upton is not as good as leaving-rime Martin Prado. Wow.

    “This 24 year old is not as good as this 28 year old, this trade isnt very good”

    Might wanna chill out and let the game play out, youre going to look foolish if you do stuff like this.

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 26, 2013 @ 12:58 pm

  174. It’s mind-blowing how shortsighted people are when they refuse to look at things like age and experience and live and die by WAR, which isn’t a be-all-end-all stat because UZR needs 3 years of data and for some really stupid reason fangraphs doesnt use an average, it using the single year total.

    Seriously FG, whatup with that?

    Comment by Forrest Gumption — January 26, 2013 @ 1:01 pm

  175. excellent name for a law firm as well.

    Comment by evil kevin towers — January 27, 2013 @ 2:31 pm

  176. I don’t get this one, to be honest. Michael Bourn must have been asking for a load of dough because the Braves would have been better served by just paying him.

    Comment by Joel — January 27, 2013 @ 6:48 pm

  177. Is it possible that this is actually, in fact, Bryce Harper producing such a profound remark

    Comment by Cliff — January 27, 2013 @ 10:56 pm

  178. Good offensive upside potential?…where have you been? Heyward, BJ Upton, Justin Upton, Freeman, McCann, Uggla…these are great, proven, all-star caliber hitters. This isn’t the Royals of 2012. At this point, with an a staff of Hudson, Medlen, Maholm, Minor, and Teheran looking poised to open the 2013 season as your top 5, the offense is far ahead of the pitching in terms of talent, production at the major league level, and even upside IMO.

    Comment by Cliff — January 27, 2013 @ 11:05 pm

  179. First off, bat the pitcher 8th – which is what ALL NL teams should do. And if you are worried about the LOOGY, then go with.

    1. Simmons
    2. Freeman
    3. Heyward
    4. J.Upton
    5. McCann
    6. Francisco
    7. Uggla
    8. Pitchers Spot
    9. B.Upton

    B.J. Upton then works as a leadoff man who gets less PA. The simulator liked this lineup the best. It still has lefties batting 2-3 and 5-6 so there are some minor LOOGY problems, but…

    Comment by Xeifrank — January 28, 2013 @ 1:44 am

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