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  1. The article should have started and ended with ” I have no clue what to expect from Hafner this year”

    Comment by Smart ass — February 1, 2013 @ 1:38 pm

  2. Better buy: Hafner for $2M or Berkman for $10M?

    Comment by Steve — February 1, 2013 @ 1:41 pm

  3. This article encouraged me to look up Hafner’s stats, and holy crap. I forgot how much of an offensive beast he used to be. .308/439/659 with a .450 WOBA in 2006!!!! Plus he had a .418 WOBA in 04′ and .423 in ’05.

    Comment by Tim — February 1, 2013 @ 2:14 pm

  4. Berkman.
    Less injury risk and he used to be able to field.
    Pronk’s best defensive position has always been DH. ;)

    Comment by fjtorres — February 1, 2013 @ 2:20 pm

  5. After having spent most of last season on the DL and the fact that he hasn’t played in 150 games since 2008, I’m not sure everyone would agree with the statement that Berkman is less of an injury risk.

    Comment by Brian — February 1, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

  6. I think Berkman is the better player, but both are so risky, is the $2M bet better than the $10M bet? That was more what I was asking.

    last 3 seasons:
    Puma – 299 Games (32 in 2012), 1165 PA’s, .275/.391/.483
    Pronk – 278 games (66 in 2012), 1093 PA’s, .267/.363/.447

    Closer than I would have guessed at least.

    Comment by Steve — February 1, 2013 @ 3:40 pm

  7. Different situations. Berkman wouldn’t have played for less, and Hafner can’t play 1B, so he wasn’t a fit for the Rangers.

    Comment by Preston — February 1, 2013 @ 4:15 pm

  8. It’s close but Berkman can play the field. And there’s all those interleague games…
    Injury or not those are games Pronk isn’t playing in.

    Comment by fjtorres — February 1, 2013 @ 4:49 pm

  9. I concede this was not something I had considered, but still, I only count 10 games on the Yankees’ schedule in NL parks.

    Comment by Steve — February 1, 2013 @ 4:54 pm

  10. I think the point is that Berkman isn’t 5x the player Hafner is to justify 5x the salary.

    Comment by Cruiser Manning — February 1, 2013 @ 8:45 pm

  11. I have to say, I didn’t realize Hafner was still getting on base at that kind of clip. While his slugging percentage seems to be on a steady decline, the guy is definitely still useful. Decent grab for the Yankees, probably. If he doesn’t work out, they can always trade him for a Pronk Bar.

    Comment by B N — February 2, 2013 @ 1:10 am

  12. He has actually been pretty consistent the last 4 years at the plate with a 125 OPS+. The main uncertainty is how much he can play.

    At most he would get 110 starts in a platoon role. If he plays 1/2 that much he will have earned his salary.

    Comment by pft — February 2, 2013 @ 2:24 am

  13. I’m not sure if this answers the question, but if I was a fan of the Texas Rangers and Texas’s only two choices were spending $10M for Berkman or spending $2M for Hafner, I would prefer that they choose to spend more on Berkman.

    Comment by hk — February 2, 2013 @ 6:25 am

  14. The way to compare these contracts is by using subtraction, not division. If we assume that Texas had the option to sign Berkman for $10M or Hafner for $2M for the same roster spot, Berkman will have to produce $8M more value, not 5x as much value, for the Berkman signing to be the better one. At $5M/WAR, if Berkman produces 1.6 WAR more than Hafner produces, he’ll be worth the extra $8M.

    Comment by hk — February 2, 2013 @ 6:35 am

  15. that makes little sense.

    using your logic, signing Puma for $8,000,001 makes sense vs signing Haf for $1, as long as he out-WARs by 1.6…

    looked at differently, with the $10mil vs $2mil contracts in place, would Puma still be the best deal if he produced a 6.6 WAR vs Haf’s 5.0? How about if Puma produced a -0.4 vs Haf’s -2.0 ?

    Comment by jswede — February 2, 2013 @ 12:45 pm

  16. I think he is a steroid guy. Look at his physique. The Yankees are a joke if the same week they deal with A Rod’s PEDs they sign this probable cheat.

    Comment by Hafner's dealer — February 2, 2013 @ 1:03 pm

  17. MLB rosters are finite in that you can only have 25 players on them at one time. Therefore, if a team is considering 2 players for the same role and the difference in their contracts neither prevents the team from making any other transactions that they otherwise would have made by saving the money nor forces the team to pay the luxury tax, then the value they get from the player is more a function of the production that they get from the player than how much they pay him. In this case, if Texas spends $10M on Berkman instead of $2M on Hafner to fill the same role and the extra $8M does not prevent them from upgrading at any other position and it does not put them over the luxury tax, 6.6 WAR for $10M is better than 5.0 WAR for $2M. This is especially so for a team like Texas where the value of 1 win is expected to be huge as they fight for a playoff spot in the AL.

    Comment by hk — February 2, 2013 @ 1:45 pm

  18. well said, hk.

    Comment by jcxy — February 2, 2013 @ 2:48 pm

  19. hafner’s Dealer I have to agree with you about the steroids. I’m a die hard Indians fan but if there has ever been a guy on this team who has used steroids it has got to be him. He had all those good seasons early on especially in 06 or 07 when he had those 6 or 7 Grand Slams then starting the very next season and from then on out he hasn’t been even half that good with homers and the contact. When he was good he was a doubles and homers guy and after he stopped take them (which was around the time when steroids came back into the spotlight really hot and heavy for the second or third time) he has been a walks a singles guy averaging 10-15 homers a year. He had to have been using steroids for as good as he was then and for as bad as he sucks now. He may put up a decent number of homers (assuming he can stay in the lineup) in NY because of their short porch in right but we’ll see.

    Comment by Kevin — February 2, 2013 @ 6:25 pm

  20. Bro, averaging 10-15 HRs a year means that his power is still mostly there considering how much time he has been missing. The only evidence of steroids is the serious health problems the he’s had the last few years, not the mild power decline through his 30s

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — February 3, 2013 @ 12:22 am

  21. Jim Thome is probably the steroid guy.

    Comment by Natman — February 3, 2013 @ 12:08 pm

  22. Jim thome was and is clean

    Comment by camfrommaine41 — February 3, 2013 @ 4:32 pm

  23. Jim Thome is your typical power slugger hall of famer. He has a high avg of home run per at bat? Other than that he was never a speedy type. Always the same size ,and his numbers went down normally with age swithed from 3b to first and dh. Yeah he is spring chicken. Have respect for a clean player!!

    Comment by camfrommaine41 — February 3, 2013 @ 4:36 pm

  24. Manny Ramirez was an Indian.

    Comment by olethros — February 3, 2013 @ 5:00 pm

  25. The Yankees are a joke if they sign a guy who has never failed a PED test or has been linked to PEDs by anyone outside of a random commenter on the internet!!

    And the same week as AROD??!! Who is thinking of the children?!

    Comment by Helen Lovejoy — February 4, 2013 @ 10:35 am

  26. A CJ Wilson fastball broke his hand and he was never the same. Not that hard to figure out what happened.

    Comment by Shmuli — February 4, 2013 @ 2:49 pm

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