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  1. Just imagine what the Brewers might have received from the Angels if they hadnt messed up his arm in early July. They definitely got a nice return with at least one sure fire major leaguer with impact talent. But it might have been even more if Grienke handn’t have had to “recharge his batteries”.

    Comment by smocon — February 4, 2013 @ 4:42 pm

  2. Remember, we don’t actually know what would’ve gone down in the Upton deal. The initial reports were quite wrong; apparently Jaso was going to Oakland in the deal, which means Oakland must have been moving someone to Arizona. Seattle’s GM has also hinted that they would’ve gotten back more than just Upton.

    Comment by ThirteenOfTwo — February 4, 2013 @ 5:20 pm

  3. Manny Ramirez may not have been able to catch the ball very well, but he could throw some – once led in OF assists IIRC.

    Comment by Mr Punch — February 4, 2013 @ 5:51 pm

  4. Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio, John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander, Orlando Cepeda for Ray Sadeki. The trades that actually happened are just as crazy.

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — February 4, 2013 @ 6:15 pm

  5. One “broken” trade that sticks with me into was Montreal’s trade of Pedro Martinez to Boston in 97. They chose the Boston package of Carl Pavano and Tony Armas, over a similar package from Cleveland built around Bartolo Colon and Brian Giles, among others, because Montreal preferred Pavano to Colon.

    Talk about a vastly different alternate universe that had Martinez in late-90’s Cleveland and Colon and Giles in Montreal, with Boston outside looking in.

    Comment by fjtorres — February 4, 2013 @ 6:42 pm

  6. Awesome idea. A cool one to look at next time would be the A-Rod-to-Boston megadeal back in 2004

    Comment by Julian — February 4, 2013 @ 7:53 pm

  7. Interesting idea. It’s almost twenty years ago now, but I remember Dennis Martinez being dealt to the Braves during the pennant race in 1993, going through all the good-byes in the dugout, and then turning around and vetoing the deal to remain with Montreal. Don’t recall what Atlanta was getting back, but it was surely better than losing Martinez to Cleveland as a free agent in the offseason.

    Comment by Mike S — February 4, 2013 @ 8:07 pm

  8. I have a sneaking suspicion that perhaps Manny got so many assists because he got so many chances because he got tested so many times. Maybe his rates weren’t as good… Can I get some DATA?!

    Comment by Matthias — February 4, 2013 @ 9:12 pm

  9. You sure can. Right here in fact:

    To sum up, from the stats it does not appear that his arm was the problem with Manny Ramirez’s defense. I also watched a lot of Manny Ramirez play left field in Fenway, and to my eyes his arm was fine, maybe even a bit above average – the problem was his utter inability to track flyballs and then being slow to go get them.

    Comment by ABW — February 4, 2013 @ 9:58 pm

  10. The Nats dodged a bullet not once but twice with the vetoed trades. Before they traded a group of prospects to the A’s for Gonzalez, they wanted to trade most of the same prospects to the White Sox for John Danks.
    The Nats were sorely disappointed that they were unable to land Danks (he chose to stay in Chicago primarily for family reasons)as they were looking for a LH SP to balance out their rotation.

    Their second choice–assuming the Miami PED controversy doesn’t result in a 50 game suspension for Gio–turned out pretty good.

    Comment by balticfox1917 — February 4, 2013 @ 9:58 pm

  11. I had heard that Cleveland turned down a Pedro Martinez for Jaret Wright offer.

    Comment by Dean Travers — February 4, 2013 @ 10:27 pm

  12. that also means that Sizemore, Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips never get traded for Colon

    Comment by TomCat — February 5, 2013 @ 1:35 am

  13. The ’98-2000 runs would have been a lot deeper. Maybe a WS appearance or title in there?
    Maybe the Expos wouldn’t have sucked so bad and never get sold to Loria.
    Maybe in that alternate universe Montreal still has a team and Loria too his act to basketball. :)

    Comment by fjtorres — February 5, 2013 @ 6:34 am

  14. any way to split that data up between home games and road games? given that LF at Fenway has such a short porch, id be interested in seeing if Manny had more assists at home or on the road

    Comment by Clifford — February 5, 2013 @ 9:00 am

  15. The Braves tried to trade Randall Delgado for Ryan Dempster only to see Dempster use his NTC to veto the trade. The Braves got a better deal from the Cubs in getting 1 1/2 years of Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson for Arodys Vizcaino.

    The Braves were then able to use Delgado as one of the key pieces to get Justin Upton from the Diamondbacks. The Braves say thank you, Ryan Dempster.

    Comment by JT Grace — February 5, 2013 @ 9:40 am

  16. Did Danks have a NTC?

    Comment by Ivan Grushenko — February 5, 2013 @ 10:22 am

  17. He does have a no-trade.

    Comment by rbt — February 5, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

  18. The Smoltz for Alexander deal was a good trade for Detroit and a great deal for Atlanta. Detroit needed a big time arm for the pennant drive and Alexander produced to the tune of 9-0, 1.53 ERA in 88 IP. We all know what Smoltz developed into in Atlanta, but that is only because Leo Mazzone developed his arm. He had stalled in Detroit’s farm system and likely wouldn’t have achieved as much had he stayed with the Tigers, so the deal didn’t look like Smoltz was going to become a superstar at the time it was made.

    Comment by The Rajah — February 5, 2013 @ 3:30 pm

  19. William Van Landingham (William Grand Slamdingham) for Garret Anderson!

    Comment by psychump — February 8, 2013 @ 10:22 pm

  20. And the Giants were trying to trade for Martinez, but the Braves put in a waiver claim and were able to scuttle the trade.

    Does this mean that if the Giants had been behind the Braves at that point of the season, they would’ve been more likely to make the playoffs?

    Comment by matt w — February 10, 2013 @ 10:45 pm

  21. it wasn’t vetoed or anything (i don’t think), but i remember there being Andruw Jones for Jon Lester rumors before Jones got fat and became a shell of himself. That would have been a steal for ATL.

    Comment by scott — February 11, 2013 @ 11:44 am

  22. The eyeball tells me he would get to the ball in the corner or gap late but throw a nice ball with a quick, off-balance release. Everyone ran on him not because he was thought to have a noodle arm, but because it looked like he would never get to the ball and would have no way to set and throw…

    Comment by Larry — February 16, 2013 @ 9:55 am

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