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  1. mmm. thong underwear.

    Comment by wilt — February 15, 2013 @ 12:05 pm

  2. The secret is to not buy baseball stuff for your lady (especially if she’s not into baseball quite as much as yourself), but rather exhort friends to do the deed for you.

    Cubs jersey purchased by husband? Angry stare. Cubs jersey given by friend? Guiltily worn.

    Comment by Bradley Woodrum — February 15, 2013 @ 12:07 pm

  3. Why are you conflating women who know a lot about baseball with women who like to flaunt sexuality?

    Why are you applauding the Brewers, Mariners, Nationals, Orioles, Padres, Rays, Rangers and Yankees for offering less variety of product to their fans?

    Comment by Devin — February 15, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

  4. This is 21st century America — none of this is demeaning to a woman if the woman chooses to wear it. These people are just trying to make a buck selling what they think people will buy. If they don’t buy it, it will stop being sold.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — February 15, 2013 @ 12:14 pm

  5. My problem: my fiance is a Cubs fans (we live in Chicago, so this is OK). I was born and bred as a Giants fan, because my father had taste and only wanted to raise a proper man.

    In a few years, when she’s pregnant, how do I subtly tell her: “There is no way in flippin hell that my kid is being raised as a Cubs fan. You can choose the religion, or the schools, or whatever else, but that kid is wearing a Giants onesie and that’s that!”?

    Comment by MrKnowNothing — February 15, 2013 @ 12:16 pm

  6. As a follow up: we’re going to the Cubs-Giants game on her birthday. Good seats and all that. I’ve told her that I don’t care if it’s her birthday, I’m wearing a Bonds jersey and will wish ill upon Rizzo.

    is my soon to be marriage doomed?

    (i’ve now turned this thread into an “Ask Wendy” advice thread)

    Comment by MrKnowNothing — February 15, 2013 @ 12:19 pm

  7. Agree. What WOULD be demeaning is if the only womens wear offered was thong underwear, or if they offered men’s apparel that objectified women.

    Comment by Devin — February 15, 2013 @ 12:20 pm

  8. this guy…

    Comment by BVHeck — February 15, 2013 @ 12:22 pm

  9. Meh. Boy shorts>thongs.
    But wait. I think Wendy was trying to point out the misogynistic assumptions at work in professional sports and sports fandom. Crap.

    Comment by Oliver — February 15, 2013 @ 12:22 pm

  10. I would suspect that much of the difference in the Women’s/Girls items are more age related. A pink shirt may appeal to a teenager. Anything to make buck.

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — February 15, 2013 @ 12:24 pm

  11. Remind her the Cubs haven’t won a pennant in 70 years and don’t look like they’re going to anytime soon. You want a winner, right?

    Comment by Andy — February 15, 2013 @ 12:24 pm

  12. I live in Chicago too, and from what I know about Cubs fans, she won’t really mind.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — February 15, 2013 @ 12:26 pm

  13. I’m shocked that it’s thought that women comprise 45% of all baseball fans.
    Where do we get that number? Ticket sales/Attendance? Merchandise sales? Take the percentage of FanGraphs readers who are female and multiply by 15?

    In my experience, I’d put it closer to 65% male, 35% female.
    I call for Crowdsource!

    Comment by Nate — February 15, 2013 @ 12:28 pm

  14. “I didn’t have any accurate numbers so I just made up this one.”
    — Dilbert

    Comment by Andy — February 15, 2013 @ 12:31 pm

  15. Dear MrKnowNothing,

    I spent several years living in Chicago, where I acquired a number of friends who are Cubs fans. A couple of them are in mixed marriages. (One with an Astros fan, one with an A’s fan.) My personal experience is that Cubs fans are so beaten down by a lifetime of Cubs baseball that they will be happy to acquire a second time by marriage that is more likely to have success than the Cubs – which is, let’s face it, every team.

    Good luck,

    1313

    Comment by thirteenthirteen — February 15, 2013 @ 12:31 pm

  16. I’m all for variety, but that pink jersey is ugly as sin.

    Comment by Anon21 — February 15, 2013 @ 12:36 pm

  17. Wow. I have serious problems with anyone who wears Chief Wahoo earrings.

    Comment by ThirteenOfTwo — February 15, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

  18. Could not agree more.

    Comment by Cody — February 15, 2013 @ 12:43 pm

  19. Those are for the days she feels a little extra racist.

    Comment by Jamie — February 15, 2013 @ 12:52 pm

  20. Note: pink baseball shirts with rhinestones on them are the polar opposite of “sexualized.”

    Comment by Tim — February 15, 2013 @ 12:54 pm

  21. As a Red Sox fan, I can speak as an authority on such matters: you never jump ship, no matter how bad things get. With that said, you don’t force your significant other to abandon their team if they were raised differently. After all, die hard fans are masochists, not sadists.

    For kids, you just raise them to like both teams and they can choose when they get older. If you’re really lucky, one of the teams will switch to a different league so they basically never play each other.

    Comment by B N — February 15, 2013 @ 1:02 pm

  22. “No. Let’s get rid of all kiss cams and return ballparks to the beautiful, natural sounds of a ballgame.”

    My wife would literally pay money for that to happen. In fact I believe it’s when she gets up to go get coffee, so I guess she kind of is.

    Comment by Deelron — February 15, 2013 @ 1:59 pm

  23. How dare you speak unfavorably of the kiss cam!

    Comment by El Vigilante — February 15, 2013 @ 2:08 pm

  24. I am never going to exhort friends to buy baseball stuff for my lady.

    Comment by Alex Remington — February 15, 2013 @ 2:17 pm

  25. [looks at byline]

    Ooh, a female writer on FanGraphs. How progressive!

    [loos at headline]

    …Oh.

    Comment by Aaron — February 15, 2013 @ 2:39 pm

  26. …And me, without an edit button. *sigh*

    Comment by Aaron — February 15, 2013 @ 2:42 pm

  27. For those times when you need to smell like Don Mattingly’s glove to turn heads…Yankees for Her

    Comment by DD — February 15, 2013 @ 2:49 pm

  28. See these links:

    http://espn.go.com/espnw/more-sports/7652717/nine-female-contestants-vying-part-mlb-fan-cave

    http://yankeesfansunite.com/2012/03/14/the-growing-number-of-women-baseball-fans/

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-28/lifestyle/sc-cons-0127-warren-shopping-super-bo20110127_1_women-fans-sports-leagues-team-colors

    Comment by Wendy Thurm — February 15, 2013 @ 3:19 pm

  29. I’ve been writing at FanGraphs since October, 2011. I cover the business of baseball, quite extensively. This is a business story. My idea. My interest. My story.

    Comment by Wendy Thurm — February 15, 2013 @ 3:20 pm

  30. I would rather be a Cubs fan going forward, with their front office and resources, than a Giants fan.

    Comment by Ben Hall — February 15, 2013 @ 3:35 pm

  31. You root-root-root for the home team. If the baby grows up in Chicago, the baby has to be a Cubs fan. These are the rules.

    For example: My wife is a Yankees fan, and I’m an Orioles fan. We live in Seattle, which as far as I’m aware does not have a baseball team. Thus, our baby has an O’s hat. See how that works?

    Comment by X — February 15, 2013 @ 4:43 pm

  32. “Let’s get rid of all kiss cams and return ballparks to the beautiful, natural sounds of a ballgame.”

    A thousand times yes, and all the other cheesy shit too.

    Comment by TKDC — February 15, 2013 @ 4:51 pm

  33. Exactly. They wouldn’t make these products if there wasn’t a market for them.

    Comment by Rags — February 15, 2013 @ 5:18 pm

  34. Fine article, but… NotGraphs?

    Comment by David — February 15, 2013 @ 6:04 pm

  35. You should delete this paragraph:

    “I’m okay with that. I didn’t always feel this way. For years, I took offense at the pink caps and rhinestone shirts and any effort by MLB to play up women’s sexuality. But MLB is a business. It makes sense to design products to appeal to as broad a range of fans as possible. There is a line that shouldn’t be crossed, however. MLB shouldn’t be in the business of selling official gear that objectifies or demeans women, or portrays them purely as sexual play-things.”

    Your complaint about the Red Sox pink jersey demonstrates you are still as close-minded as ever. It isn’t like you can’t buy a jersey that isn’t pink.

    And what’s wrong with warm boots for the Marlins? Are you only allowed to be a Marlins fan if you live in South Florida? I feel bad for all those college kids who move out of Florida and for those soldiers that are transferred to a base in a cold climate. Not to mention a Marlins fan following their team on the road in the playoffs might like something to warm their feet.

    Comment by Cozar — February 15, 2013 @ 6:06 pm

  36. Looks like the racist brigade came by to downvote you. I’m sure they’ll be back to tell me I’m being too sensitive and the world is too PC these days. Boohoo life is so hard for the racists these days.

    Comment by thirteenthirteen — February 15, 2013 @ 7:32 pm

  37. While I can see not liking the pink apparel, a lot of it is for a specific reason – breast cancer. I am a guy and I buy breast cancer pink apparel.

    Comment by Joe — February 15, 2013 @ 7:44 pm

  38. HER friends! Not your friends.

    Comment by Ferdie Delgado — February 15, 2013 @ 8:04 pm

  39. I personally would find nothin demeaning if my lady decided to wear thong underwear complete with the logo of my favorite team. Quite the opposite.

    Comment by munchtime — February 15, 2013 @ 9:00 pm

  40. there is no market for that bracelet. it is not fashion forward.

    Comment by hbar — February 15, 2013 @ 9:04 pm

  41. Literal and metaphorical.

    Comment by TomG — February 15, 2013 @ 9:56 pm

  42. Your core assumption that there are fans of the Marlins is a little ambitious, no?

    Comment by BronxBomber — February 16, 2013 @ 3:56 am

  43. I bet when your wife is sliding her strap on that you paid for into you, she whispers in your ear “27″

    Comment by tommen — February 16, 2013 @ 5:10 am

  44. Yay another poor soul affected with autism.

    Comment by tommen — February 16, 2013 @ 5:17 am

  45. Why?

    Comment by tommen — February 16, 2013 @ 5:19 am

  46. ‘Some women like baseball’ – not groundbreaking.
    ‘Some women want to be sexy’ – this is known.
    ‘Here are 11 things that exist’ – this is the article’s sole function: bringing me images of 11 random objects that can be purchased with a MLB team logo on them.

    This article makes no conclusions, and has no reason to exist.

    Comment by Monty — February 16, 2013 @ 11:24 am

  47. Your refund check is in the mail.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — February 16, 2013 @ 12:03 pm

  48. All of this pink MLB apparel is in my closet because I was serving as a style consultant to my wife, not because I am any less masculine than the good people of Milwaukee believe me to be. The fact that there are old order forms indicating that the clothing was for my personal use should do nothing to cause you to doubt this explanation. I am a proud to be a manly, PED-free, Wisconsinite who loves cheese curds and Bernie Brewer. Thank you, and please consider me in next year’s MVP voting!

    My attorney and publicist will answer any additional questions you might have.

    Comment by Ryan Braun — February 16, 2013 @ 1:55 pm

  49. Wow what an asshole

    Comment by Rob — February 16, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

  50. Every team except the Astros, perhaps. My sympathy to your friend who married into that.

    Comment by Greg — February 16, 2013 @ 3:30 pm

  51. Or just buy the male version which isn’t in pink…and hopefully not g-string either.

    Comment by DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy — February 17, 2013 @ 5:21 am

  52. Go whine somewhere about the Redskins not needing to change their name

    Comment by DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy — February 17, 2013 @ 5:22 am

  53. I don’t like the whole “future fan” thing, i don’t think it’s cool to push anything on your kids, let them be their own person, you see that stuff everywhere “I’m a Raiders fan just like my daddy” wtf?

    Comment by DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy — February 17, 2013 @ 5:24 am

  54. If you care about breast cancer, donate to breast cancer research, ideally to groups not associated with the bullies at Susan G. Komen.

    Buying pink crap is a scam.

    Comment by Tim — February 17, 2013 @ 11:24 am

  55. So, like a real answer is: You negotiate. Our kids have my wife’s last name and are being raised in my religion, because that was more important to each of us. And to root for my team, because she really doesn’t care.

    Another important fact is that as soon as the kids are old enough to talk they’re going to start rooting for the Dodgers just to spite you.

    Comment by mcw — February 17, 2013 @ 1:05 pm

  56. Some of the stuff is fairly ridiculous but I actually don’t mind the pink jerseys (and God bless the Phillies for the thongs, with which I’ve, surprisingly, actually had first hand experience with, though not that exact model).

    Comment by Freakshow — February 17, 2013 @ 2:52 pm

  57. @Greg – I was living in Chicago when the White Sox and Astros played in the WS. My Cubs fan friend was happy to have a solid excuse to avoid supporting the Sox. :)

    Comment by thirteenthirteen — February 17, 2013 @ 8:50 pm

  58. And [insert whatever] should be legal because people are just trying to make a buck selling what they think people will buy.

    Comment by PackBob — February 17, 2013 @ 9:44 pm

  59. because the awful new format this site adopted hasn’t been keeping me away from here enough….they had to roll out a piece like this!

    what an insightful piece of baseball writing

    Comment by Ross — February 18, 2013 @ 1:56 pm

  60. I don’t think this is really happening. See Principle of Charity.

    Comment by philosofool — February 18, 2013 @ 3:46 pm

  61. Exactly. There is a market for child porn, too. Obviously a pink baseball jersey isn’t the same thing, but if you’re selling a product that harms others — and reinforcing negative stereotypes about women does harm others — then you can’t justify that as “it’s okay, because people will buy that.” Some of those things are *not* okay.

    Personally, I don’t like the pink jerseys and I agree with Wendy that I prefer them in team colors — it’s weird to see a jersey and not recognize the team until you’re close enough to read it — but I don’t believe teams have a responsibility to stop selling them. I just find them distasteful.

    Comment by Brad — February 18, 2013 @ 10:42 pm

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