Such a strong system, the Indians are going to be a beast this year and beyond. Plus add whoever they get for Asdrubal and maybe Kipnis if Paulino and Lindor are anything as advertised.
Comment by Forrest Gumption — March 1, 2013 @ 11:11 am
Indians are the dark horse in the Central IMO. If they can hang with the Tigers through AS break & Bauer figures it out to give them a late season boost, they could be dangerous. They should beat up on the rest of the division outside of Det & could even have an outside shot at a wild card spot. Outside of Bauer though, no reinforcements on the way anytime soon. At least as a Twins fan I can dream on their prospects in another lost season.
Comment by Tanner John 22 — March 1, 2013 @ 11:34 am
Pretty much universally agreed upon that Lindor, Bauer and Paulino make up the top 3 in one order or another…and 4-10 could go one of a million different ways.
Interested in your take on Dillon Howard, D’Vone McClure, LeVon Washington, and Dylan Baker. Indians are very high on all 4. They went way over slot on Howard, McClure and Washington.
Not even close to being “strong”, BA ranks them 24th (before Bauer) and behind the top 3 there is very little impact. Mid pack at best, the collapse of the Indians system has directly resulted in their MLB issues of late. Losing Rene Gayo hurt their Latin program for a while, but it looks like its improving.
Comment by Pirates Hurdles — March 1, 2013 @ 12:02 pm
They need to parlay that 2b and ss depth into an elite defensive catcher, a slugging first baseman, a toolsy outfielder and some live arms. Not asking too much, right?
This list drives home the point that trading one year of Choo for Bauer was a great deal for the Indians . The team is desparate for pitching and outside of Bauer has no one in the system who looks like more than a long shot to be even mediocre .
Really? Don’t they already have pretty much all of those pieces? Santana isn’t elite defensively but he’s their catcher right? Swisher at 1B and they have three toolsy OFs right? Every team could always use more pitching but I hope they get more than a “live arm” if they trade Lindor for example.
Am I missing something? It seems like that list is almost exactly the pieces they don’t need to me.
They need to parlay A-Cab into some pitching prospects. ALL we need now are pitching. There’s a dearth of slugger 1Bs in the top prospects right now so it makes more sense to keep working the FA market for pitching until we get a decent starting rotation out of our system.
2. Ubaldo <– first need to replace
4. Brett Myers <– second need to replace
Not to quibble with Marc’s excellent analysis, but if Bauer has a heater in the mid 90s, a plus curve, and a workable slider, splitter and change, why does he only have “the ceiling of a No. 2 starter.” Is there no chance he can develop into a No. 1 starter? And if there is a non-trivial chance, isn’t that his ceiling?
Comment by UrbanShocker56 — March 1, 2013 @ 3:50 pm
Only a casual fan would rate the Indians farm system as strong. We severely lack depth at too many positions to even be considered above average.
I am a true Indians fan, but I can’t stand when other Cleveland fans pretend that we’re going to be this great team every year. We got a bunch of mediocre veterans who are probably past their prime and did not have great WAR to begin with. Bourn, Reynolds, and Stubbs strike out way too much. Santana is an uncertainty. Kipnis might be good. Chisenhall might be good. Given recent history, AC will probably be traded for some crappy, sore-arm pitcher(like Carrasco or Ubaldo). And we still have no pitching. We’re projected to win about 79 games. Whoop dee doo.
Comment by Aaron Steindler — March 1, 2013 @ 8:09 pm
If being a “true” Indians fan means being so pessimistic I’m glad I’m not a “true” Indians fan.
The Indians have struggled since the ’07 playoff run, but this is the most excited I’ve been about a Indians team going into a season since ’08. There are legit concerns but every team has legit concerns. I don’t expect them to win the AL Central, but this team as constructed should be a winning team this season.I’ll take the “mediocre veterans who are probably past their prime” over the likes of Kotchman, Duncan, Damon, and whoever was DH the 65% of the time Hafner was injured.
No this isn’t a world series contender, but with Francona instead of Wedge or Acta these guys should be in the playoff picture all year. 79 wins would be a disappointment.
While the system is below average right now, it has the potential to be top 10 going into next year. 18 year old Dorrsys Paulino has a chance to be a top 40-50 prospect next year. 19 year old Francisco Lindor will be a top 5-10. A lot of people thought Naquin was an overdraft, but he was a very good hitter in college. As a CF his perceived lack of pop isn’t as big of a weakness.
The Indians could see some significant growth with their pitching prospects. I expect Bauer to get enough innings to no longer be considered a prospect, but there are arms behind him that have potential to strengthen the system with good performances this summer.
I’m optimistic about HS arms Mitch Brown and Kieran Lovegrove adjusting well to full-season ball. Dillon Howard has disappointed so far, but he was a highly regarded HS arm in the 2011 draft. In addition to these guys the Indians have the #5 pick in the upcoming draft and should have one of Stanek, Appel, or Manaea available.
That’s the best phrase I’ve ever read in a prospect writeup. Maybe I never left 5th grade?
Comment by fly eli and tony plush — March 3, 2013 @ 12:48 am
depends on how you view it Pirates, if you notice that most of baseball Americas top 100 prospects come from the draft years of 2009-2012 and some from 2008 then look at what Cleveland has done with those draft years, Chisenhall in 08, Kipnis and White in 09, Pomeranz in 2010 Cody Allen in 2011. If those players were still in minors as many of baseball americas top 100 prospects, how would the Tribe farm system be viewed?
Jose Ramirez is the future starting 2B… they WAY underrate him here. He’s actually a top 5 prospect. Paulino is likely headed for 3B/DH and Kipnis would likely move to LF or DH when Ramirez is ready to take over
It’s definitely not strong. However, the draft is the problem… the Indians have been BY FAR the worst drafting team in baseball. Just about every top prospect they’ve had in the past decade has come via trade/International signing with Kipnis and Lindor being the exceptions (we’ll see how Chisenhall and last year’s draft picks fare this season before judging them). Paulino, Salazar, Santander, Ramirez, Aguilar, and both Rodriguezes were all international signings.
Wrong. We need starting pitching, starting pitching, and then even more starting pitching. Masterson and McAllister are the only 2 starters we have who should be in a major league rotation… and they should be #3-5 starters, not #1-2 starters