If Wells winds up in NY, there will likely be a “playing for my favorite team growing up” story.
Comment by Benzedrine — February 25, 2013 @ 1:58 pm
If wells ends up in new York the angels would have to take about 40 of the 42 million he’s still owed to get a deal done.
Comment by Mr Midnight — February 25, 2013 @ 2:03 pm
Not necessarily a need to cite hockey (a sport I do not condone nor understand) when baseball in 2012 furnished us with the Nationals, who lost Zimmerman, Werth, Storen, Morse and three starting catchers while winning a division.
Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — February 25, 2013 @ 2:08 pm
I just had to fit Ottawa in somewhere because I really love Ottawa and that shit’s going on right now.
Considering how even “premium” Yankees prospects have turned out for the Mariners, maybe they should just give Wells away to another team just to get out of this discussion entirely. (But hey Yankees: you could probably get Raul back if you ask nicely. He still wants to run around in the outfield and he’s more the AARP demographic that fits into your clubhouse.)
I love Ottawa as well. It is an endearing facsimile of English culture in the Americas, but with superior doughnuts.
Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — February 25, 2013 @ 2:22 pm
“So ignore the story about how the Yankees are down so many home runs. What matters is overall value”
Amen. All the lost HR talk is driving me nuts. Certainly Granderson is a big loss on paper, but people’s urge to isolate only his power numbers has really been distorting most analysis of the situation.
I agree that Casper Wells is a very intriguing option. Even before Granderson went down I would say he was.
Comment by Ted Nelson — February 25, 2013 @ 2:22 pm
I think the Yanks should look to the Cubs, but not for Soriano. David DeJesus would be a great fit. He would cost less in terms of years and dollars and would be a nice 4th OF to have once Granderson returns.
Comment by vivalajeter — February 25, 2013 @ 3:27 pm
There very thin. I watched Wells when he was at the tigers and i found him very intriguing then. If the.cubs only asked the Yankees to take on a few million of Sorianos contract and were resonable in what they asked for prospect wise he could be a very Intresting option, I’m sure when Curtis got back he would get plenty Ab’s At DH or as a pinch hitter. If I had to put my money on it though I think Diaz will fill in till Granderson is back then will use him as a bench bat…a
Comment by Mr Midnight — February 25, 2013 @ 3:32 pm
Superior doughnuts? Canada is inundated with Tim Hortons franchises but no one goes there for doughnuts that make Dunkin’ Donuts look good by comparison — the business is based entirely on decent, predictable coffee and strumming on patriotic duties to patronage a once-Canadian owned business.
Comment by Jonathan Sher — February 25, 2013 @ 4:36 pm
I think the bigger issue is that the Yankees didn’t have a large margin for error to begin with.
Look at who they’re relying on this season. This is a team that has already lost some productive players in the offseason (Swisher, Chavez, Martin)
Jeter – Rehabbing from Ankle Surgery
Mariano – Rehabbing from Knee Surgery
A-Rod – Rehabbing from Hip Problems, Out 2+ months
Granderson – Out for 40ish games
Ichiro – 39, coming off replacement level season
Pettitte – 41, coming off partial season.
Gardner – Coming off missed season for elbow
Obviously, the Yankees still have elite talent (Cano, Sabathia, Kuroda, Teixeira) but if you’re relying on this group of players being healthy and productive for the whole season you can’t have fluke injuries happening to a relatively young (32) and productive member of this squad.
jeez, I hope the Yanks don’t get Wells who does a lot of things well (no pun intended). It would be their dumb luck to fall into a player like that. I was thinking more in terms of Jason Kubel who would be perfect playing in Yankee Stadium. I still can’t believe the DBacks think they could be better off having Parra sit on the bench as a 4th OFer. I realize the Yankees aren’t exactly flush with desirable prospects to trade away but if they can patch together enough I would think Kubel works even with Hafner slated as DH.
The Sens are a poor example. Sure, they managed to win those few games but they went from scoring an average 4 goals per game to 2 goals per game after Karlsson’s injury. They squeeked out a few close games but the lack of goal-scoring will catch up with them eventually.
Problem with a Casper Wells to the Yankees scenario is that the M’s are a long way from making a decision on the Bay-Wells debate. It would be ludicrous to decide give Bay a roster spot 2 days into his comeback, and if Bay does not pan out, and Casper is gone then the M’s are in a world(er) of hurt. You have got to think that Wells would have the edge in any case in any sane world.
I really can’t see the Mariners going with Ibanez and Bay as their 4th and 5th outfielders. One of them has to go, because even though the Mariners appear to be moving away from a defense first philosophy I can’t see even Eric Wedge feeling comfortable nursing a one run lead and looking for a late game defensive replacement for Morse and looking down the bench and only seeing Ibanez and Bay. Morse and Bay are both coming off of multiple seasons with significant time on the DL, and Ibanez is 40.
Then to make the decision even easier to keep Wells, Ibanez, Morse, Bay, and even Morales are all free agents next year, with Gutierrez under a 7.5m team option and there is nobody in the pipeline in the minors that projects to be a starting outfielder within the next couple of years. In fact their best outfield prospect is 19 year old Gabriel Guerrero who’s never played higher than the rookie league.
It really would be ridiculous to trade away a young cost controlled outfielder with even just a little potential when you have nothing else but injury prone un-athletic veterans on short term contracts in the system.
If Bay has a great spring then they trade him for what they can get, otherwise they let him go. It made sense to take a flyer on Bay before they got Morse, but I can’t see them getting rid of Wells to keep him.
The yankmees are in trouble. I do not know what their farm system has for prospects or capable payers. i believe what they need to do is figure out how much $ they will need to sign Robison Cano. I believe his agent is Scott I hate theb Yankees Boras so you know thats going to cost extra from the start. Once they figure what they have available dtermine whether or not theycan actually sign him? If they can’t trade him to Texas for Kinsler, their right fielder Nelsob Cruz( I think) and a top farm hand . I blieve they have a top shortstop prospect who is supposed to be very good. Thats the best I got. Texas I think would give this offer some very serious consideration. Anyones thoughts about it?
Ryan, you are spot on. That outfield was thin to begin with. Say what you will about Grandyman but he has been if nothing else a 40 homer 100run/100RBI bat the last couple years. Plus he got hit up the forearm by the wrist. We’ve all seen how that can go. How does Gardner play in Center after an injury riddled year. He’s at the age where his defense could decline back to earth a bit, you know maybe just +5 with the shift to center. Ichiro still has speed etc. but can he really be penciled in for more then a win. When Tex went down last year they had Chavez and Swisher to fill in. Tex and Cano need to be big for this team this year. As far as the Rivera thing, I’m not sure I’d want him over Soriano at this point or even last year. They have a ridiculously deep bullpen and some younger guys who can start such as Phelps and Warren but they are counting on some oldies but goodies to give them innings. Their were just so many questions to begin with which Ryan started to list above but I could add about five more off the top of my head. They had one power hitting outfielder and now they have none. Their catching is bad, the left side of their infield is well; old. Kuroda is 38, Pettite 41, Sabathia slipped a bit last year, Who is Michael Pineda, is Tex a 2 WAR player or a 5 WAR player, how is Phil Hughes back doing, can Rivera keep being the man at 43 coming off a torn ACL. So many questions. It’s hard to write them off because every year we wait for the bottom to fall out or at least wonder if they will. I think Sabathia and Cano will manage 10 WAR between them and perhaps that is conservative. Besides that i have no idea and I don’t think anyone does. Besides the outfield would anyone be totally shocked if Jeter, Youk, Rodriguez and the catcher position combined for 3-5 WAR? I would not. My projection is that they will neither lose or win 100 games. They will be somewhere in between. Ask the Sox; When the sh&t hits the fan its easy to pile up losses in the AL EAST.
Comment by Spit Ball — February 25, 2013 @ 9:35 pm
If you thik you are gonna get Kubel you can kiss Robertson and Phelps goodbye. Takes something to get something. Plus Kubel is no outfielder. You might as well sign Thome to DH and send Pronk out to pasture with the leather.
Comment by Spit Ball — February 25, 2013 @ 9:40 pm
they’ve brought it up on WFAN locally, but what about eduardo nunez being converted to OF? People talk about jeter moving to LF as an athletic SS, why not do it to get nunez on the field?
Comment by miffleball — February 25, 2013 @ 9:42 pm
That is such a sad competition. It reminds me of the Yankees catching competition. No good, nowhere, for no one. Yeah we wanted Hamilton or Upton but…………..
Comment by Spit Ball — February 25, 2013 @ 9:43 pm
Sounds like an idea, Neither one is really a shortstop anyway, says every advanced defensive metric known to man. I think they should go with two DH’s and just use Suzuki in right center and Gardner in left center. They got good range, they could do it. If only jet packs were available. Would MLB ban outfielders from wearing jet packs. I actually think it would be pretty cool to see Gardner “go up and get one” on one of Bautista’s third deckers at the Rogers center.
Comment by Spit Ball — February 25, 2013 @ 9:59 pm
Ibanez/Bay are more or less the plan for LF, no? Saunders in CF and Morse in RF? Gutierrez the 5th OFer? Wells may already be on the outside looking in. That’s assuming Smoak stays at 1B, Morales DHes, and Montero does most of the catching until Zunino comes up later in the year. If they bail on Smoak and use Morse at 1B then Wells could still have room there I suppose. It’s kinda crowded there already.
Might Cashman and co.–subconsciously at least–be punting until they get past the luxury tax issue/ catcher Gary Sanchez and the myriad outfield prospects are big-league ready? Otherwise why let Russell Martin go? Moreover, they’ve won a gazillion years and a row and many key players are now falling apart. Could it be that this is rebuilding, Yankees-style?
No. In your theory, re-signing Kuroda wouldn’t make sense. Also re-upping Ichiro is questionable. Sure he remains a big Japanese name-brand that could bring in additional revenues but the Yankees have enough big names on the team. If they were truly rebuilding, anyone not tied to a huge contract should be on the trading block. I’d start with Cano, Hughes, and Robertson (who could very well close on another team).
The market on a rental player that’s going to be impossible to sign to an extension just isn’t what you think it is. If the Yankees deal Cano during the season I’d be surprised if they get more than a mid level prospect for him. He was ranked #46 on Cameron’s trade value series back in July, when he had more time left on his contract, I’m sure he’s dropped way out of the top 50 now. Ian Kinsler was ranked 30th then because he’s a productive veteran on a team friendly contract through 2018. He may have dropped a little but not much since.
So trading Cano to fill a hole in the outfield is just going to leave another big hole in the infield, cause there is no way they are going to turn one year of even a premium rent-a-player into two decent starting position players.
Jeff is right. The media has been predicting the Yankees demise for years due to age and injury-related problems. And when fans talk about the team, they pretty much assume the worst, aka, that every player over 35 is going down for the year or about to experience a serious decline. This is no more realistic than a rosy-eyed optimistic projection for these players. The truth lies somewhere in between. The AL East is more competitive, and the Yankees are not a playoff lock, but they’re still right in the mix of things.
I think this opens the door for Ca$h to trade Granderson, Banulos, Betances, Hughes, and maybe a upside arm like Brackman for Mike Stanton of the Marlins. They are always looking to dump there guys. No way the Yanks loose out on a big time guy, and this would set them up to win the World series every year. It would hurt to loose the killer Bees but Nova and Phillips are developing into Aces and Petitte could win 20 games for the next two years.
Comment by yAnkEEs#23-4LifE — February 26, 2013 @ 1:54 pm
Assuming the Cubs don’t eat nearly all of Soriano’s contract, trading for him would ruin the Yankees goal of getting under the luxury tax cutoff in 2014. They need one of the cheaper options.
Interesting article, as usual Jeff. Thanks for your take. Out of curiosity, has anybody at FG ever done an article on major injuries (let’s just say an arbitrary number of 4-8 weeks on the DL for examples sake), on player performance once returning? I think as a fan I often expect (maybe “hope for” is a better choice of words) his normal level of performance, as soon as player X is back in there. However, from memory, which we all know can fail us miserably at times, it feels like a lot of major injuries are followed by substantial periods of mediocre play upon returning to the line up. Ellsbury ’12, Pedroia ’10, Youk ’11/’12 and Ortiz ’08/’12 come to mind as examples in recent years. Heck, maybe it’s just the key injuries in Boston the last few years and 93 losses clogging my judgement. It seems to me that when the injury occurs, the player’s age, injury history and maybe most importantly the type of injury (ligering effects) could all be factors. As far as missing spring training, well it is better than missing regular season games is one way to look at it, but does it affect a batter’s performance to miss most of spring training more than missing 8-10 weeks in the summer? Which is more harmful to the team’s performance? We often hear mainstream media claim a certain type of injury is more serious than others, but does actual time missed and the date of injury have any further negative/positive effects?
Comment by bcp33bosox — February 27, 2013 @ 5:01 am
I wanna see the Yankees sign Moyer if this happens.
Pettitte and Moyer, the oldest 1-2 punch!
Comment by Ruki Motomiya — February 27, 2013 @ 6:58 am
Was that in there somewhere? Too much text, not enough paragraphs. TMT,NEP:DR.