That was an awful trade for the Giants from the get-go. I mean, if you are going to trade a top prospect for 2 months of an All-Star, you better re-sign said All-Star at the end of the season.
Comment by tynandaly — February 28, 2013 @ 11:31 am
Agreed, the Giants were just plain stupid to let this kid go for nothing.
Comment by Hurtlockertwo — February 28, 2013 @ 11:46 am
I think they panicked after the Posey injury.
They also may have had every intention of resigning Beltran, but even in his short stint, it just didn’t seem like he fit in the clubhouse or wanted to be there. You can’t make a guy sign.
At the time I thought it was a good deal as you only have a window open for so long. However, I also didn’t know that Wheeler was quite this good. Now that he is really fulfilling all of his potential, it looks like an awful deal, especially for an aging vet that had a clause in his contract that denied them from offering him arbitration and at least recouping picks. Under a normal scenario, the Giants would have at least recouped a first round pick or two for a player like Beltran walking, but his contract really hurt them even more in the deal. They could/should have used that as leverage with the Mets to try and deal somebody other than Wheeler.
Comment by Larry Yocum — February 28, 2013 @ 11:48 am
That’s not really a fair statement. At the time it looked like they absolutely needed Beltran to make the playoffs. They were 4 games up when they traded for him, but treading terribly on offense. Had they made the playoffs and made another WS run, we would all be saying it was worth it. Sometimes these deals work out and sometimes they don’t when you push all of your chips into the middle. They gambled and lost, but at the time it looked like a justifiable gamble at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20. At the time they had just aquired the best bat on the market and were prime to make another run with a pitching staff that was performing even better than it had in 2010.
Comment by Larry Yocum — February 28, 2013 @ 11:52 am
Comment by Timetocomplimentmikenewman — February 28, 2013 @ 11:52 am
Man, his delivery has really been cleaned up from when he first signed out of HS. Much smoother. Much less stress on the elbow and less effort.
Comment by Larry Yocum — February 28, 2013 @ 11:54 am
Or you ought to win the World Series…
Comment by LuckyStrikes — February 28, 2013 @ 12:09 pm
But it’s not like the clause was a secret; if it wasn’t there, Beltran would have been worth more in trade, so it might have been Wheeler plus another prospect.
There’s a lot of hype for Wheeler, but I feel that the Mets probably got him too early, since his control hasn’t refined at all in his time with the Mets. Wheeler has just followed the development trajectory set by the Giants.
Comment by Rickettsia — February 28, 2013 @ 1:43 pm
His walk rate has been lower with the Mets than with the Giants and I seriously doubt the Mets are having any qualms about having a top ten prospect.
That’s nonsense. Wheeler went back to his HS delivery after the trade. His BB/9 after the trade is 3.27 across 3 levels compared to 5.2 before the trade. If anything one can argue that the Mets got him at just the right time and helped him reach his potential.
Zack Wheeler is the new “Francisco Liriano”! Thanks a lot Brian Sabean. As for the 2011 Giants they ended up with a -8 run differential. No one player was going to transform the 2011 Giants crappy offense into even a decent offense. With Zack Wheeler the Giants could have either traded Tim Lincecum while he still had some high trade value or or let him go after 2013.
The trade was a good one for SF. Beltran was on fire and they needed a bat. Tron hit very well for them. No one knew Wheeler would turn out this good. And the Mets won’t screw anything up. They have furthered his development since obtaining him and he’ll be dominating the NL East for a long time. Be jealous.
Comment by Matt Mosher — February 28, 2013 @ 4:49 pm
Yeah, thanks Sabean. Those two world series titles sucked.
I guess only the Phillies should be jealous. The Marlins don’t give two hoots about anything (and they don’t have any fans, most likely). The Nationals have their Wheeler in Strasburg, to go along with Gio and Jordan, and the Braves churn out pitching prospects like clockwork.
Also, it’s hard to ever be jealous of the Mets. They are the Mets, after all.
Comment by Fatalotti — February 28, 2013 @ 9:46 pm
I saw Wheeler twice in High A ball. I thought the Giants were crazy to deal him for Beltran. Two b prospects should have got the trade done. Reportedly the Astros rejected Wheeler for Pence.
A random place for this question I know, but honestly why even have a minor league team in a place you think will screw up the development of your prospects. Minor league baseball can’t be that big of a cash cow where you’re willing to sacrifice some careers for a few extra dollars.