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  1. Would love to know 5-10 others in the top right quadrant!

    Comment by max — February 27, 2013 @ 4:16 pm

  2. the story of that graph, to me, is: holy shit, ichiro

    Comment by chandler — February 27, 2013 @ 4:18 pm

  3. Yeah… that’s some ridiculousness there.

    Comment by gnomez — February 27, 2013 @ 4:23 pm

  4. Who’s that with over 200 infield hits?

    Comment by David — February 27, 2013 @ 4:36 pm

  5. “Ground balls already go for hits more often than fly balls by nearly a two-to-one margin (.238 to .131 in 2012)”

    The ground balls are obviously BABIP-bound, but are the fly balls also BABIP-bound? I ask because home runs are most certainly hits, but would show up in this comparison if we’re only looking at BABIP.

    Comment by Persona non grata — February 27, 2013 @ 4:38 pm

  6. Ichiro

    Comment by Persona non grata — February 27, 2013 @ 4:39 pm

  7. Sorry, should’ve just checked myself. Damn, Ichiro.

    Comment by David — February 27, 2013 @ 4:39 pm

  8. What really made those three stand out to me were the text boxes with the arrows pointing to them. Without those, I don’t think Jones’ would stand out any more than the one to the left and above his that appears to be just as far out as his (although slightly closer to other dots).

    Comment by TKDC — February 27, 2013 @ 4:43 pm

  9. Be interesting to see “where” these guys get their IFH from.

    Are the weak toppers that the playing-back IF’s can’t get to, or are they rockets in the hole that the IF’s knock down? Grounders up the middle? Down the 3B line? Dribblers? All?

    Comment by CircleChange11 — February 27, 2013 @ 4:46 pm

  10. Extrapolate Richie Weeks’ 2009 to 600 PA and he checks in at 117 HR, 105 IFH.

    Comment by AWS — February 27, 2013 @ 4:56 pm

  11. Seems likely that Hunter Pence won’t hit 20 hrs this year.

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — February 27, 2013 @ 5:05 pm

  12. A good, old-school, way of ranking and defining “ballplayers.”

    Comment by Dogfish pride, bro — February 27, 2013 @ 5:07 pm

  13. Man, Ichiro.

    Comment by BurleighGrimes — February 27, 2013 @ 5:39 pm

  14. Braun also clocks in with 111 SB’s over that time, giving the super unique 100/100/100+ HR/IF/SB. He also has a ho hum .933 OPS since 2008. How about we just say Ryan Braun is a damn good all around baseball player (offensively)…cue steroids chant.

    Comment by Craig — February 27, 2013 @ 5:46 pm

  15. Be interesting to see how guys like Trout and Harper do over the next few years as it relates to this chart.

    Comment by BJsWorld — February 27, 2013 @ 5:58 pm

  16. It’s only really great players who people care about when steroids rumors come up. It’s flattering to Braun in a way how much people have jumped on him for the PED stuff.

    Comment by Bip — February 27, 2013 @ 6:20 pm

  17. Still, these three players have combined for nine all-star berths and 60.6 WAR (over 12 per year) since 2008. It shows the extreme value players who contain multiple skillsets — especially skillsets that are seemingly diametrically opposed — can offer a team, and few players demonstrate it better than Braun, Pence and Jones.

    And Braun has been responsible for half of that, and the Jones and Pence each for about half of the remaining half. So, another thing that demonstrates is how good you can make players look by grouping them with elite players and then examining their combined stats.

    Comment by Bip — February 27, 2013 @ 6:24 pm

  18. I dunno… that graph looks like West Virginia, and Braun, Pence and Jones are the only three in Pennsylvania

    Comment by JoeFish — February 27, 2013 @ 6:44 pm

  19. Adam Jones does a fair amount of bunting. Would be curious to see power-hitting bunters examined, too.

    Comment by Mitch — February 27, 2013 @ 7:31 pm

  20. Who is Richie Weeks? is he related to Jemile and Rickie?

    Comment by David — February 27, 2013 @ 7:56 pm

  21. also, just checked the homer extrapolation, and it comes out to 33.3 (9 in 162 PAs) Dont know what math you were using, but can you teach me? (this is assuming you meant Rickie Weeks, I did not consider the option that there might actually be a Richie Weeks who hit a lot of home runs in not a lot of PAs)

    Comment by David — February 27, 2013 @ 8:01 pm

  22. And there’s Ichiro visiting the National Japanese American Memorial in Washington, DC.

    Comment by J. D. KaPow — February 27, 2013 @ 8:04 pm

  23. Just based on my lyin’ eyes, after coming to the Giants Hunter Pence was amazing at flailing at balls out of the strike zone and occasionally making weak contact, leading to slow choppers that he’d beat out since the infielders were playing him back. There was a period there where it seemed like this was the only way he ever got on base.

    Obviously I saw him during maybe the worst stretch of hitting in his career, so It’d be interesting if he has always gotten his infield hits this way, or if this was just a function of him being such a mess offensively with the Giants.

    Comment by Ben — February 27, 2013 @ 8:23 pm

  24. I should add: it’s not really fair to compare Hunter Pence, or any other human-insect hybrid, with actual humans. Its pretty impressive what Pence has been able to do playing a game created by and for a different species at such a high level.

    Comment by Ben — February 27, 2013 @ 8:27 pm

  25. My first thought was Trout. As a Rangers fan I can tell you he’s just dangerous in every way….can blast the ball, beat out the grounder, steal a base (or two) once he’s one….and track down every freakin’ flyball hit to the center of the park.

    Praying his rookie season was the best he has and that he will inevitably regress cuz he was the best all-around player I’ve seen play since I don’t know when.

    His neck is awfully thick for such a young kid. Doncha think?

    Comment by MrMan — February 27, 2013 @ 9:38 pm

  26. Add that 33 to Mr. Weeks’ ’08 and ’10-12 to get 117 (14+33+29+20+21). These are ’08-12 totals we’re dealing with.

    Comment by coreyerb — February 27, 2013 @ 11:13 pm

  27. I saw Braun bunt, not a sacrifice bunt, just a regular ole “I can probably reach first base if I bunt”. And he did.

    Comment by Zac — February 28, 2013 @ 12:15 am

  28. That’s a valid point, especially considering the much larger standard deviation for home run hitters. If you shifted the graph accordingly, the player to whom you’re referring would look more balanced, while Adam Jones would look like much more of an infield hit guy than a home run guy. (I guess he’s a home run guy now, but he hasn’t especially been over the this five-year period.)

    Comment by Jon L. — February 28, 2013 @ 3:58 am

  29. Probably the most surprising finding in this analysis is that all three hitters are righties. I would have thought that left-handed hitters would have an advantage on infield basehits.

    Comment by walt526 — February 28, 2013 @ 5:45 am

  30. Haha, that’s a lot of sass for one innocuous comment. My sincere apologies for the typo. Cheers coreyerb.

    Comment by AWS — February 28, 2013 @ 8:49 am

  31. You mean in the Atlantic Ocean? Pennsylvania is actually NW of WV.

    Comment by CFG250 — February 28, 2013 @ 8:55 am

  32. Braun is a poor man’s Bonds in the early to mid 90s.

    Comment by CFG250 — February 28, 2013 @ 8:56 am

  33. Haha, human-insect hybrid, so true.

    Comment by Randall — February 28, 2013 @ 9:29 am

  34. Yeah, it really irks me too that this thread is filled with comments about Braun and steroids. Wait a second…

    /trolled

    Comment by TKDC — February 28, 2013 @ 9:32 am

  35. Trout yes, Harper no.

    The only way a lefty makes the IFH list is if he is a slap hitter like Ichiro or Bourn. Notice that Jones, Braun, and Pence are righties, as well as Jeter (and Victorino is a switch hitter), who you could fairly call non-slap hitters.

    Comment by TKDC — February 28, 2013 @ 9:36 am

  36. From a distance to first perspective, yes, but I wasn’t surprised at all. Most guys, particularly power hitters, don’t hit very many opposite field ground balls.

    Comment by TKDC — February 28, 2013 @ 9:39 am

  37. Hunter Pence always looks like the kid that got picked last in fourth grade.

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — February 28, 2013 @ 9:45 am

  38. …what map are you looking at?

    http://geology.com/world/the-united-states-of-america-map.gif

    Comment by DaveP — February 28, 2013 @ 9:52 am

  39. You are the worst kind of baseball fan.

    Comment by Oh, Beepy — February 28, 2013 @ 10:09 am

  40. I honestly do not understand how anyone can evaluate Ryan Braun and ignore the elephant in the room. These drugs increase strength, endurance, speed and are without a doubt partially responsible for his being a splendid baseball player. Do you really expect anyone to believe that being faster, stronger and returning quicker from injury or exercise is not a tremendous advantage?
    If you don’t belabor the point that he is cheating you are being naive at best. At worst the constant posts about his greatness are encouraging cheating and that is frankly pitiful.

    Comment by enhanced performance — February 28, 2013 @ 11:33 am

  41. “These drugs increase….” Which drugs would those be, exactly?

    Comment by Luke — February 28, 2013 @ 12:20 pm

  42. I’d expect to be Victorino to be up there even though he hasn’t above average power but still hits like 12-15 bombs a year

    Comment by kollegah — February 28, 2013 @ 12:28 pm

  43. they’re all right handed power hitters … think how deep the 3b and ss want to play them, and how long that throw to first becomes. would love to see the breakdown of where in the infield their infield hits were.

    Comment by chris p — February 28, 2013 @ 4:30 pm

  44. I don’t ignore it. I just expect it makes him similar to most baseball players.

    Comment by Robbie Griffin — February 28, 2013 @ 9:03 pm

  45. Holliday?

    Comment by astrostl — February 28, 2013 @ 9:23 pm

  46. Like others, I was interested to know who other top guys would be in this metric. Below are the HR and Infield Hits by each player since 2008 (clearly the author was not using B-R’s Infield Hits, because they’re different, but it’s all I had to use). Players are sorted by the harmonic mean of the two numbers, because that seemed like the best way to balance the two numbers. I think the author would agree given the top 3 names.
    Name HR IFH Harmonic Mean
    Ryan Braun 168 128 145
    Hunter Pence 121 155 136
    Adam Jones 104 130 116
    Hanley Ramirez 112 103 107
    Matt Kemp 134 89 107
    Matt Holliday 126 90 105
    Dan Uggla 151 80 105
    Corey Hart 119 86 100
    Albert Pujols 193 67 99
    Ryan Zimmerman 109 89 98
    Robinson Cano 129 77 96
    Vernon Wells 102 89 95
    Justin Upton 106 85 94
    Alex Rodriguez 129 70 91
    Mark Teixeira 168 62 91
    J.J. Hardy 93 87 90
    Brandon Phillips 95 85 90
    Rickie Weeks 93 86 89
    Andre Ethier 105 77 89
    Troy Tulowitzki 105 77 89
    Aaron Hill 98 79 87
    Alex Rios 91 81 86
    Ian Kinsler 109 70 85
    Curtis Granderson 160 58 85
    Carlos Pena 145 60 85
    Adrian Beltre 129 62 84
    David Wright 107 67 82
    Evan Longoria 130 60 82
    Torii Hunter 105 67 82
    Carlos Gonzalez 99 69 81

    Comment by Zac — March 1, 2013 @ 12:41 am

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