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  1. glad the broadcasters are espousing the front office view of eschewing any sort of critical analysis whatsoever. hooray for synergy.

    Comment by kdm628496 — March 5, 2013 @ 11:45 pm

  2. Maybe they are walking off the island now, but for about fifteen years they were shooting off the island.

    Comment by james wilson — March 6, 2013 @ 12:18 am

  3. Dominican got 28 hits today at the Phillies, 12 of those against Cole Hamels in 2.2 innings. I think it might be okay if they swing a bit.

    Comment by james — March 6, 2013 @ 12:19 am

  4. You know, I’d be curious to see a comparable study that compared the national teams to a pool exclusively of WBC-competing MLB players. I’m not completely sure what the end results would be, but I bet it would be pretty interesting.

    Comment by Dag Gummit — March 6, 2013 @ 1:41 am

  5. What percentage of baseball would you say that you’ve analyzed in this post, Mr. Cistulli?

    Comment by cass — March 6, 2013 @ 1:50 am

  6. Average when excluding a minor leaguer with a mediocre walk rate in the minors does not translate to average overall.

    Comment by x — March 6, 2013 @ 2:45 am

  7. Surely if they walked off the island they would drown? They should atleast attempt to swim. I’m actually going to hazard a guess and say they never swung off the island either but mostly flew or traveled on a sea vessel.

    Comment by Le Vagabond — March 6, 2013 @ 3:12 am

  8. Meanwhile the Phillies were 26th in BB% last year but you never hear those 2 dolts say anything about that.

    Comment by bleh — March 6, 2013 @ 3:27 am

  9. And that, class, is why we mute the TV and turn on the radio when we watch Phillies games

    Comment by dbssaber — March 6, 2013 @ 3:37 am

  10. Believe it or not this is actually one of the more intelligent things those idiots have said over the years. Thank God we have such an awesome radio crew because I would have shot myself by now if the TV crew was all I had to listen to.

    Comment by Jim — March 6, 2013 @ 7:02 am

  11. “You know, I’d be curious to see a comparable study that compared the national teams to a pool exclusively of WBC-competing MLB players. I’m not completely sure what the end results would be, but I bet it would be pretty interesting.”

    That’s what I was thinking– collectively, the WBC rosters [with guys without MLB experience exlcuded] are almost certainly well above average MLBers, so comparing them to average, seems to be missing someting…

    Comment by Eric R — March 6, 2013 @ 8:40 am

  12. It’s a totally relevant comparison, because the idiotic announcers were only talking about these players…and talking about them in a ‘compared to other major leaguers’ sense. If the point of this article was to make a larger point (which the article takes a few sentences to tell us that’s not the goal), then, yeah it would be better to compare larger samples or WBC rosters against each other.
    But for the expressed purposes of the article, this comparison is perfectly apt. Your critique is basically complaining that the article wasn’t about what you wanted it to be about, which isn’t a very helpful one.

    Comment by KDL — March 6, 2013 @ 10:59 am

  13. I did a rudimentary study of comparing o-swing rates and walk rates of foreign-born Hispanic players vs all players for my baseball class about 4 years ago. The result showed more o-swings for Hispanic players (27.6%) vs All players (25.8%), but no significant. Also fewer walks for Hispanic players (7.6%) vs All players (8.9%), again not significant.

    Comment by Benzedrine — March 6, 2013 @ 11:03 am

  14. Given that the calculated rate is weighted by MLB PAs, 2010-12, I’m not sure that the ‘average’ the author calculated and the ‘average’ that you’re describing are the same calculation.

    Comment by rusty — March 6, 2013 @ 2:35 pm

  15. I interpret this analysis to suggest the opposite of what the author claims, because major league average walk rates and swing rates are calculated across all major leaguers, and you would expect rather high-ceiling hitters like these (compared to the average) to have higher walk rates. Jose Reyes stands out as a guy who would benefit disproportionately from walking, but doesn’t walk more often than average. Cano and Nelson are intimidating hitters who pitchers might want to pitch around, but they’re both so aggressive that they walk less often than the average major leaguer. And Tejada, a former MVP, has apparently never walked. On the flip side, we have Encarnacion, who walks quite often, but maybe not more than we’d expect from a top-tier slugger, and Carlos Santana, who does appear to take a lot of pitches and have elite sense of the strike zone. (Hanley dropped to league average last year.)

    Overall, this adds up to a team that profiles as having less command of the strike zone than one would expect, given the overall quality of the hitters.

    Comment by Jon L. — March 6, 2013 @ 4:42 pm

  16. You didn’t exclude the population of Dominican players from your “average.” You’d have to compare Dominican walk/swing rates to non-Dominican walk/swing rates.

    Comment by d — March 7, 2013 @ 7:18 pm

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