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  1. This article would work a lot better if it was ordered in descending order (30-16) rather than 16-30.

    In fact, all of the articles in this series would be better if they went from worst to best.

    Comment by Will — March 25, 2013 @ 12:18 pm

  2. I think it would be interesting to see the starting pitching rankings with respect to playoff rotations, as well. Some sort of weighted FIP ranking?

    Comment by JoshEngleman — March 25, 2013 @ 12:25 pm

  3. 2013 Cool Name Power Rankings: Starting Pitchers (Bracket 1)
    11. Nathan Edward Eovaldi
    10. Yovani Gallardo
    9. Julio Alberto Teheran Pinto
    8. Blake Bill (William) Beavan
    7. Jeanmar Alejandro Gomez
    6. Jhoulys Jose Chacin Molina
    5. Vance Richard Worley
    4. Ubaldo Jimenez
    3. Boof Bonser
    2. Jair Francoise Jurrjens
    1. Bruce Kastulo Chen

    2013 Noteworthy for Being Decidedly Humiliating Name Power Ranking
    1. Madison K. Bumgarner

    Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — March 25, 2013 @ 12:35 pm

  4. That’s a fun idea. We’ll tackle that at some point in the future.

    Comment by Dave Cameron — March 25, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

  5. Baseball Reference lists Boof Bonser simply as such. Using Google I have found that his birth name is John Paul Bonser. “John Paul Bonser” is, in my inexpert opinon, at least as noteworthy, since it sounds like something the Pope would name his cat.

    Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — March 25, 2013 @ 12:38 pm

  6. Where would you rank the Brewers now that they just signed Lohse?

    Comment by Paul S — March 25, 2013 @ 12:41 pm

  7. For all instances of “would be better” and variations, substitute “I would prefer.”

    Comment by Anon21 — March 25, 2013 @ 12:42 pm

  8. “As it is, the Brewers look like they’re at least one good pitcher short of being a contender this year.”

    Apparently the Brewers read this and acted quickly.

    Comment by Ivan Grushenko — March 25, 2013 @ 12:43 pm

  9. This comment is how I learned that the Brewers signed Lohse.

    Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — March 25, 2013 @ 12:52 pm

  10. The Gianst at #16 and Rockies at #19?? What?? The Rockies were terrible last year, the Giants won the World Series. The Astros may lose 115 games.

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — March 25, 2013 @ 12:55 pm

  11. City of Minnesota? Come on, Dave.

    Comment by AdamJ — March 25, 2013 @ 12:58 pm

  12. No Jeff Locke in the Pirates’ projections? Or unfortunately for the team, Jonathan Sanchez? Both are likely in the rotation as of now with Liriano and Karstens out.

    Comment by znc1 — March 25, 2013 @ 1:01 pm

  13. On Teheran’s spring:

    “Spring training results don’t mean anything, really”

    I like this wording a lot better than what you have used previously. The performance itself has been somewhat meaningful based on the good reports about his improved breaking stuff and command, but I agree that the actual results coming from that performance don’t matter.

    Comment by Alex — March 25, 2013 @ 1:01 pm

  14. No, I think objectively and logically you would want to ascend in rankings rather than spoil the surprise.

    Comment by Kevin — March 25, 2013 @ 1:01 pm

  15. The fine people of Winona County welcome you.

    Comment by Anon21 — March 25, 2013 @ 1:01 pm

  16. Or one of his choir boys.

    Comment by Spit Ball — March 25, 2013 @ 1:06 pm

  17. Daisuke Matsuzaka was cut by the Indians today, not that it matters greatly.

    I would be shocked to see 151 innings out of Tommy Hanson.

    Comment by King of the Byelorussian Crunkers — March 25, 2013 @ 1:08 pm

  18. Maybe the surprise is “who will be last”?

    Comment by Steve — March 25, 2013 @ 1:09 pm

  19. Is #1-#15 getting posted today or tomorrow?

    Comment by Timeghoul — March 25, 2013 @ 1:10 pm

  20. I don’t think this series is meant to surprise people, just inform them.

    Comment by King of the Byelorussian Crunkers — March 25, 2013 @ 1:13 pm

  21. The early Brewer catches the good pitcher for a very moderate 3 yr, 33 mil with 1 mil in performance bonuses.

    Comment by A Truck's Worth of Porridge — March 25, 2013 @ 1:14 pm

  22. My comment responded to Kevin; Steve’s response to Kevin is also plausible; and we jointly support Anon21′s point, in case any one is scoring at home.

    Comment by King of the Byelorussian Crunkers — March 25, 2013 @ 1:17 pm

  23. I’m excited to see the final post.

    When I did this some time ago with ZiPS alone and much worse depth charting I got this:

    1. Angels
    2. Tigers
    3. Nationals
    4. Reds
    5. Blue Jays

    Comment by Daniel — March 25, 2013 @ 1:28 pm

  24. I wondered how long it would take a Giants fan to start whining about the ranking. Cain and Bumgarner are great….but the rest are meh.

    Comment by CJ — March 25, 2013 @ 1:29 pm

  25. Absolutely stunned the Red Sox aren’t projected in the second tier of of rotations.

    Comment by Caveman Jones — March 25, 2013 @ 1:32 pm

  26. The Brewers just signed Lohse. How much does that move them up the rankings. I’d have to assume he is at least like a 2 WAR pitcher which should stick them like #19 or so?

    Comment by Ender — March 25, 2013 @ 1:32 pm

  27. You ended up with the Angels being first? Are you sure about that? There must have been a critical error in the calculations.

    Comment by Timeghoul — March 25, 2013 @ 1:33 pm

  28. I’m a homer but consider:

    “[For the Orioles,] 2013 looks like a bit of a step backwards from last year’s surprisingly strong run.”

    Except, it’s the same guys! They’re missing 6 starts by Joe Saunders, 3 starts by Randy Wolf, and a handful of starts by AAAA types like Dana Eveland. Also, Tommy “5-runs-all-earned” Hunter won’t be starting.

    Comment by O's Fan — March 25, 2013 @ 1:42 pm

  29. Jhoulys doesn’t get the credit he deserves, his parents completely made up the name (and then gave variants of it to his sisters) but it sounds like a legit name that would be handed down over generations.

    Comment by Stuck in a Slump — March 25, 2013 @ 1:42 pm

  30. Wide variation on Locke predictions. Steamer likes him (3.82 ERA / 3.86 FIP); ZIPS does not (4.68 ERA / FIP 4.43). Steamer projects more relief appearances, which might explain some of the difference.

    Comment by pitnick — March 25, 2013 @ 1:43 pm

  31. Royals rotation worse than Rockies’ and Pirates’?? (Folds arms, creases brow hard and pouts).

    Comment by KCDaveInLA — March 25, 2013 @ 1:43 pm

  32. They also suffered injuries to every pitcher in their rotation. I’m sure that if the Giants lost five of the SP’s that they opened the season with that they too would be awful.

    Comment by Stuck in a Slump — March 25, 2013 @ 1:44 pm

  33. And I

    Comment by redbarons — March 25, 2013 @ 1:44 pm

  34. I scrolled down and did it backwards anyway

    Comment by bgburek — March 25, 2013 @ 1:46 pm

  35. These projection systems use a lot of regression, especially for guys with short samples at the major league level.

    Comment by Caveman Jones — March 25, 2013 @ 1:53 pm

  36. Any team that starts Beavan when they have more interesting, much higher upside options for their rotations that are MLB ready should be openly mocked.

    Comment by Stuck in a Slump — March 25, 2013 @ 1:54 pm

  37. This will be interesting to see as I think these ranking systems tend to discount rookies a little too much. I think it’s entirely plausible that the Mariners young pitchers beat their projections by a decent margin. However, to counter that I just have to say Joe Saunders.

    Comment by Average_Casey — March 25, 2013 @ 1:55 pm

  38. The Giants aren’t really at #16 though, because Cain is one of the pitchers who has shown a consistent ability to outperform his FIP. Like the author said, bump it up (say, 0.5-1.0 WAR) for Cain and the ranking probably goes up.

    Comment by Scott — March 25, 2013 @ 1:59 pm

  39. Julio Teheran: 122 IP, 6.6 k/9, 3.5 bb/9, 4.42 FIP, 0.9 WAR
    Jorge de la Rossa: 140 IP, 7.1 k/9, 3.9 bb/9, 4.43 FIP, 2.0 WAR

    How is DLR getting more than 2x the WAR from 18 more innings? FIP is the same and Teheran has (slightly) better K/BB stats. Similar comparo’s elsewhere suggest Teheran has about 1/2 the WAR it seems like his peripherals suggest. WAR is park-adjusted, correct?

    Comment by Huh? — March 25, 2013 @ 2:07 pm

  40. WAR is park adjusted while FIP is not. A 4.43 FIP playing your home games in Denver is significantly better than a 4.42 FIP playing your home games in Atlanta.

    Comment by Alex — March 25, 2013 @ 2:18 pm

  41. I strongly disagree. I want to read about the best and, if I have time and inclination, then the rest.

    Comment by Baltar — March 25, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

  42. Boof Bonser first and Jhoulys Chacin second. I don’t care about the rest.

    Comment by Baltar — March 25, 2013 @ 2:27 pm

  43. How much better/worse do good bullpens make pitchers? A great pen means that a manager should feel more confident in pulling a guy when he’s on the brink. One less bad inning per start can make a guy’s numbers look better. I’d like to see a nice study with graphs and correlations and such. We’re is the request bin?

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — March 25, 2013 @ 2:27 pm

  44. I don’t understand why Ryan Vogelsong never gets any respect. The guy has been great for the past two seasons, minus one bad stretch of 7 starts last August. Before that he had a fantastic May-July and was close to being an all-star for the second straight season. There’s a reason Torre slotted him in the 2-hole for USA.

    Granted, the Giants DO have little depth past their top 5, but they have a really solid 1-3, Timmy should have a decent bounce-back, and Zito is looking better than he ever has in a Giants uni because his head is finally on straight.

    Also, does health factor into this at all? None of the Giants 5 have any history of injury. Shouldn’t that count for something?

    Comment by Joe — March 25, 2013 @ 2:28 pm

  45. Great! Now we don’t have to see articles about Lohse every day on every blog.

    Comment by Baltar — March 25, 2013 @ 2:29 pm

  46. I assume he’s about a 2 WAR player, but you have to deduct some WAR from the pitchers who lose innings to him. This may move the Brewers up a few places in the rankings, but it is not a great actual improvement.

    Comment by Baltar — March 25, 2013 @ 2:34 pm

  47. So, unlike with the other players, we are look at park-adjusted WAR for the pitchers?

    Comment by Baltar — March 25, 2013 @ 2:37 pm

  48. Lack of injury history presumably was factored into the projections for innings pitched?

    Comment by Baltar — March 25, 2013 @ 2:39 pm

  49. Maybe, but Lincecum’s, Zito’s, and Vogey’s IP prediction all seem low, considering they all consistently pitch more innings than that every year, except for Zito in 2011, when he had that weird ankle injury (his only DL stunt of his career)

    Comment by Joe — March 25, 2013 @ 2:48 pm

  50. This is a message board, and quite a bit of what is written here is just opinion. Shocker. There’s no need to qualify that it is an opinion or personal preference. It’s better to just say what you mean and move on. But that’s just my preference, I guess.

    Comment by kylemcg — March 25, 2013 @ 2:52 pm

  51. i think he means summing over all positions, not just starting pitchers.

    Comment by kdm628496 — March 25, 2013 @ 2:54 pm

  52. What exactly is it that makes you think “Timmy” will have a decent bounce-back? His ERA so far in ST is 10.97 so it isn’t that.

    Comment by CJ — March 25, 2013 @ 2:59 pm

  53. they were going to but just changed their minds

    Comment by commenter #1 — March 25, 2013 @ 2:59 pm

  54. Rumor is that the Daisuke cut was just to save the $100,000 retention bonus and that he will stay with the org and head to the minors.

    Also, Kazmir hasn’t officially won the 5th spot in the Tribe rotation yet. Carasco is still a possibility, though he could probably use some more time regaining his command/control after TJ. And even if Kaz wins the spot to start the season, it seems unlikely the Tribe will stick with him for 90+ innings if he’s putting up numbers like these projections.

    Comment by Candy LaChance — March 25, 2013 @ 3:03 pm

  55. FDP wins would be a nice column to add to these rundowns since guys like Cain, Dickey etc. etc. will be understated in WAR.

    Comment by Scott Clarkson — March 25, 2013 @ 3:11 pm

  56. Big bounceback from Lackey. 8 WAR, 22-win Cy season upcoming…

    (Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop huffing benzene.)

    Comment by Jason B — March 25, 2013 @ 3:14 pm

  57. 1) because ST stats are flawed, especially for pitchers, who spend more time getting a groove on their pitches than trying to get players out.

    2) because he’s in way better shape this year than he was last year. He went in to 2012 thinking that swimming was the best way to get in shape; he was smarter going into 2013. One of his biggest problems in 2012 was with his stamina. He would pitch a great first 3-4 innings then give up a 4-spot in the fifth. The inning varied, but he would always hit a wall relatively early.

    3) because of basic regression. Lincecum honestly can’t do much worse than he did in 2012, and has shown that he can be very effective (see 2012 playoffs, and 2008-2011). I don’t think it was a downward trend as much as a major blip for him. If he does it again in 2013, then it’s a different story.

    4) because you learn from mistakes. 2012 was the first time he faced real challenges as a pitcher, and he didn’t know what to do, and he spiraled more and more out of control. He’s had an offseason to think about that and to figure out what went wrong and where, as opposed to trying to do it in a few days time during the regular season.

    I don’t expect him to regain his Cy Young status, apologies if that’s what my comment sounded like, but I think he’ll be at least an average to above-average pitcher this year.

    Comment by Joe — March 25, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

  58. Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum have more rings than Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz. LOL ZiPS.

    Comment by eric — March 25, 2013 @ 3:25 pm

  59. So does Eli Whiteside, doesn’t mean I’d rather have him than any of those three.

    Comment by Joe — March 25, 2013 @ 3:31 pm

  60. *stint

    Comment by Joe — March 25, 2013 @ 3:34 pm

  61. They went back once they realized that the WAR for position players wasn’t park adjusted and reexamined them.

    Comment by Stuck in a Slump — March 25, 2013 @ 3:44 pm

  62. They went back once they realized that the WAR for position players wasn’t park adjusted and reexamined them.

    Comment by Stuck in a Slump — March 25, 2013 @ 3:44 pm

  63. Bonser legally changed his first name to Boof.

    Comment by Rich Mahogany — March 25, 2013 @ 3:46 pm

  64. I can’t even… is someone seriously making the “rings” argument? On Fangraphs?

    Comment by Anon21 — March 25, 2013 @ 4:01 pm

  65. big reason giants won: incredible playoff pitching from barry zito!

    projections take a lot more into acct than just last years results.

    funny, but giants have won 2/3 WS, and neither year IMO did they have one of the 2 or 3 strongest teams (I’m a giants/As fan)

    Comment by brendan — March 25, 2013 @ 4:13 pm

  66. No I wouldn’t say Yogi Berra’s backup C was better than Carlton Fisk, but Yogi Berra on the other hand has a good case.

    Comment by eric — March 25, 2013 @ 4:16 pm

  67. Yes I did every position

    Comment by Daniel — March 25, 2013 @ 4:27 pm

  68. That is a fair point. I am not sure what is wrong with this article. It says it is a hybrid of ZiPS and Steamer. But the Giants all have 1-2 WAR shaved off each one. For example, clicking the Matt Cain link brings you to his Fangraphs page. ZiPS shows as 4.7 for the coming year, Steamer is 3.4. While there is disagreement, the average would be 4.05. This article has it as 3.5. Bumgarner is 5 and 4.6, for an average of 4.8, and is listed as 4.3. I can list all 5, but I will just go ahead and say whatever “method” was pulled out of Steamer and ZiPS severly under valued the players, especially against the very systems individually.

    Comment by eric — March 25, 2013 @ 4:30 pm

  69. obvious troll is obvious

    Comment by jim — March 25, 2013 @ 4:57 pm

  70. This is a good argument, the original rings one was not.

    To list the other 3:
    Vogelsong is projected at 2.3 and 2.5 between Steamer and ZiPS respectively, but 1.8 here.
    Zito at 1.1 and 1.2, but .6 here.
    Lincecum is at 3.5 and 3.6, but 2.6 here.

    It’s not across the board either. After looking at Hudson and Medlen for the Braves, Cameron appears to have given them a INCREASE in their WAR over the ZiPS and Steamer predictions.

    Something does appear to be awry in these projections…

    Comment by Joe — March 25, 2013 @ 5:00 pm

  71. I don’t even know how to say “Jhoulys Chacin”.

    Comment by Andy — March 25, 2013 @ 5:11 pm

  72. Last year the Indians were top 5. Sometimes the projections turn out weird things.

    Comment by Andy — March 25, 2013 @ 5:13 pm

  73. It’s funny how he’s dominated the Rangers on a semi-regular basis over the last couple years in spite of their excellent offense, which does not at all jibe with his results against other teams.

    Comment by Andy — March 25, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

  74. Predict Santana and Guthrie will both beat their predictions. I like a 4.00 ERA or so for Santana and around a 4.10 ERA or so for Guthrie (Though probably with a 4.40 or so FIP). Still doesn’t leave the Royals all that well off, though.

    Comment by Ruki Motomiya — March 25, 2013 @ 5:19 pm

  75. You mean “lest they become .. War and Peace.”

    Comment by Jay29 — March 25, 2013 @ 5:23 pm

  76. Guard play wins the NCAA championship.

    Comment by Bab — March 25, 2013 @ 5:33 pm

  77. The more imprecise way of saying what Caveman Jones said is this: Just about everyone on the Orioles outperformed expectations last year. Sometimes it comes together like that. It very rarely comes together like that twice in a row.

    Comment by JoeFish — March 25, 2013 @ 5:55 pm

  78. Speaking as an Astros fan, there’s no suspense in “who will be last?”

    Comment by TheHoustonian — March 25, 2013 @ 6:05 pm

  79. Scott Kazmir has now officially won the 5th starter spot.

    Comment by TheHoustonian — March 25, 2013 @ 6:07 pm

  80. Honestly, I would take these numbers for Lincecum. But I don’t see it happening. I hope he can make a Dennis Eckersley like move to the bullpen. His body is just too small to throw 200 innings anymore.

    Comment by Bryan — March 25, 2013 @ 6:27 pm

  81. Fellow Giants fan here.

    -”Great except for…” The “except for” counts.
    -Joe Torre made him the #2 because AT LEAST 30 other American pitchers weren’t on the US roster.
    -”his head is finally on straight” has zero statistical meaning and does not explain anything. Zito is the same pitcher he’s been for the last 6 years. In fact, Zito’s K-rate was down last season and he had the second WORSE WAR that he’s had as a Giant. The worst being 2011. If Zito has changed, it’s that he is striking out LESS batters.

    Comment by bigboneded — March 25, 2013 @ 6:39 pm

  82. The one bad stretch was a problem with his cutter command that he’s since fixed. It in no way undoes the year and a half of great pitching that he had. Please, list off 30 American starters who are better than Vogelsong.

    And if you follow any Giants writer who’s been following Spring Training, they all agree that they’re seeing a Zito they haven’t seen before, and that’s why his ST stats are better than they’ve ever been in Orange and Black. His walk rate last year was also the best that it’s been since 2004, and his HR/FB was also among the best of his career, and his LD% was second best since 2006. He’s striking out people less, but he’s also doing things right, like walking hitters less, and producing more lazy fly balls. He also has 2 big things going for him, confidence, and the fact that it’s his first walk year since 2006.

    Comment by Joe — March 25, 2013 @ 7:15 pm

  83. “YO-lease Chah-SEEN”

    Comment by Jay29 — March 25, 2013 @ 7:44 pm

  84. FYI Dave,
    Cory Luebke was recently shut down in his rehab with pain in his surgically repaired elbow. If he gets to 146 innings this season, I will give everyone here $1.

    Comment by Marver — March 25, 2013 @ 7:48 pm

  85. Thank you for using numbers to back up your assertions. Much more effective.

    The problem with writers is that they write for people who think Brett Pill should be a Major Leaguer. I pay attention to Schulman, Baggarly, Haft, etc. inasmuch as they report transactions. The rest is dubious hyperbole.

    1. Kershaw
    2. Gio Gonzales
    3. Zimmerman
    4. Lee
    5. Medlen
    6. Latos
    7. Cain
    8. Bumgarner
    9. Lohse
    10. Verlander
    11. Price
    12. Harrison
    13. Sale
    14. Hellickson
    15. Weaver
    16. Sabathia
    17. Peavy
    18. Grienke
    19. Miley
    20. Scherzer
    21. Wainright
    22. Parker
    23. Burnett
    24. Cahill
    25. Dempster
    26. Smardzija
    27. Lester
    28. Kennedy
    29. Lynn
    30. Bailey
    (Based on 2012 fWAR; Vogey ranked 46th right there with Tim Hudson and Scott Diamond)

    Comment by bigboneded — March 25, 2013 @ 7:52 pm

  86. I think the biggest difference between the Giants rotation and the Rockies is durability. Lincecum, Cain, or Bumgarner have never been on the disabled list and Zito/VogelsongRevival have managed to stay relatively healthy as well. Whether you wanna call that luck or skill is up to you, but if I had to bet on which rotation stays the healthiest, I would definitely put my money on SF.

    Comment by Greg — March 25, 2013 @ 8:20 pm

  87. I disagree with several that you listed, and you can’t only base it on 2012 when Vogey also had a great 2011, and, as is the case with other Giants pitchers, Vogelsong is very capable of pitching better than his peripherals, which fWAR is very dependent on. He has a different mindset with runners on, which is why his ERA and WAR rankings never match up.

    Comment by Joe — March 25, 2013 @ 8:31 pm

  88. Why is Lucas Harrell shown with only 135 IP for the Astros? He pitched 192 innings last year and he is projected for 153 – 198 IP by the various projection systems.

    Comment by CJ in Austin Tx — March 25, 2013 @ 8:57 pm

  89. Well, whatever year it is belies the fact that Dickey was the only pitcher on that USA staff better than Vogey. And you can disagree with “several”, I can remove them and then hat? there are only 40 pitchers better?

    I get what you’re saying, and I LOVE Vogey. I ate #RallyEnchiladas before all of his post-season starts. He is one of the best few stories in MLB in the last few years. I paid $6 to keep him in my keeper league.

    The problem is when you use hyperbolic assertions like “head is on straight.” It’s the same as saying a team won because of “chemistry” or they “wanted it more.” It’s just not justifiable.

    BUT, your last two replies did contain statistical assertions that I am on board with. Thank you.

    Comment by bigboneded — March 25, 2013 @ 9:04 pm

  90. “I just don’t know why rebuilding includes so many guys with no real future in Minnesota, nor any real hope to turn into interesting trade chips at the deadline. This looks like deck chair rearranging more than building for the future.”


    Comment by Visnovsky — March 25, 2013 @ 9:17 pm

  91. The Brewers depth chart is a bit inaccurate. Hiram Burgos and Tyler Thornburg are well ahead of Johnny Hellweg and possibly/probably ahead of Rogers, at least for the immediate future. I’m not trying to criticize or troll, but I do think it’s an oversight.

    Comment by SecondHandStore — March 25, 2013 @ 9:18 pm

  92. So if Teheran pitches 2 WAR better than this, which is possible, the Braves are at 8th place. Good.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — March 25, 2013 @ 9:34 pm

  93. Yea he’ll probably throw more. It’s not like he’s got people lining up outperforming him, pushing him to the pen either.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — March 25, 2013 @ 9:35 pm

  94. Seattle seems too high on this list thanks to Felix. I’d place them closer to 25 to 30.

    Comment by Dave G. — March 25, 2013 @ 11:09 pm

  95. This list of pitchers is missing a Dickey.

    Comment by Dave G. — March 25, 2013 @ 11:13 pm

  96. Or “Julie’s Shakin’.” It’s a free country.

    Comment by Tim — March 25, 2013 @ 11:35 pm

  97. Nice reference good sir.

    Comment by Visnovsky — March 25, 2013 @ 11:43 pm

  98. How do we know if these names are real?

    Comment by Leo Nunez — March 26, 2013 @ 9:24 am

  99. Beau (Lloyd?) Bridges’ finest work!

    (It’s go time!)

    Comment by Jason B — March 26, 2013 @ 1:49 pm


    Comment by Jason B — March 26, 2013 @ 1:53 pm

  101. This should be weighted to just the 5 predicted members of the rotation. We know WAR is cumulative, so innings pitched is affecting these rankings too. The average starter went 5.9 innings per start last year, so there are lots of innings missing from here which would alter values.

    Comment by Gabe — March 26, 2013 @ 1:55 pm

  102. Before we account for the bullpen, Fangraphs is projecting the Astros for 22.5 WAR. That’s a country mile from 115 losses.

    Comment by Terence — March 26, 2013 @ 2:11 pm

  103. Without disagreeing with the general point that Gausman could be a factor, 15 innings doesn’t feel like enough time to do an actual marauding. Perhaps one can destroy, but a full maraud feels like it needs at least, what, 70 innings? Am I alone on this one?

    Comment by Ben Hall — March 27, 2013 @ 11:49 am

  104. Giants at 16?!?! I know Lincecum’s struggled lately and Barry Zito is Barry Zito but c’mon!!!! Where’s the love for the pitching staff that’s won 2 World Series in 3 years? Yes, they have no depth, their prospects are all a couple years away from being ready, but if it came down to injuries I think Sabean could find somebody. Lincecum is likely to bounce back a bit as you said (and they seemed to have no problem winning despite his poor performance last year). Bumgarner is just coming into his own, Cain is the man, and Vogelsong is no slouch at the 5 spot. Plus they have a guy by the name of Righetti and another guy by the name of Bochy who are pretty dang good at what they do. In fact, two of the best at what they do. Oh yeah, and a catcher named Buster Posey who’s already called a perfect game. I know you’re ranking the starting pitchers only and not the team as a whole but a little respect for the World Champs, please! They certainly didn’t get those rings with their hitting. I’m not saying they’re #1 but top ten at least. You guys Dodgers fans or what?

    Comment by Brodie — April 5, 2013 @ 12:01 am

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