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  1. Brewers haven’t had much success with pitchers in the minors since Yovanni graduated. Not that any of these guys are Aces in the making but you have to think 1 or 2 of the following could end up a solid 2-3 in the Majors: Jungmann, Hellweg, Thornburg, Nelson, Bradley, Pena… not to mention recent grads: Peralta, Rogers & Burgos. That’s a lot of depth, or are they all just good RPs?

    Comment by FirstBleed — April 22, 2013 @ 4:42 pm

  2. Not Mike obviously, but I like Peralta a lot more than the others. After this report, I might like Nelson as much as Peralta too. Jungmann looks like a back-end guy who can’t K guys but gets strong groundball rates. Hellweg is a reliever unless he improves his control exceptionally. Thornburg’s straight fastball plays up better out of the ‘pen where he can sit at 95 and blow the ball hitters instead of 92-93 where he is homerun prone. Bradley was a mess last year; no comment yet. Pena has similar control issues as Hellweg.

    I think Peralta could become a #3, and he looked like a #2 last year in September locating his fastball that sat at 94-95 and throwing his slider for strikes. Jungmann could become back-end guy. Hellweg and Thornburg fit better in the ‘pen, although Thornburg has an outside chance to become a #3 if he starts commanding his fastball. Pena probably ends up a reliever. Burgos could become a back-end guy. Rogers can’t stay healthy ever.

    I believe its mostly depth and not a lot of top-line prospects. Peralta the best, maybe Nelson after hearing this review.

    Comment by Yoshi — April 22, 2013 @ 5:11 pm

  3. As someone that saw Nelson throw a ton of innings at Alabama, this quote pretty much sums him up to me:

    “The pitching coaches have been trying to get me to use my pitches over the plate and trust my movement instead of trying to trick somebody or make a perfect pitch,” he says.

    His first two years in Tuscaloosa were disappointing from a results standpoint. He had great stuff, but was erratic at best. He would walk someone or hit a batter and his control just fell apart. It looked like he was trying to make perfect pitches to correct the earlier mistake and it snowballed on him. His draft year was when he finally started to show the results to go with the stuff. He attacked hitters in the zone more often and had a brilliant season. I think Nelson is going to be a guy that struggles a bit in his first taste at most any level due to the smaller strikezones/better plate discipline at higher levels. Once he figures out that he can’t nibble at each level, he seems to produce wonderful results. I think he could absolutely be a No. 2 type starter in the show one day. With his frame, I can see him easily holding up for 200 innings once he gets to that point.

    Comment by Pinstripe Wizard — April 22, 2013 @ 5:14 pm

  4. I guess maybe I’m biased from being a UT season ticket holder and watching Jungmann pitch for 3 years, but I’m still really surprised that he has been as hittable (and as erratic) as he has been in the minors. And as a Mets fan, I was really disappointed that we got “stuck” with Harvey during the draft.

    Comment by Cram — April 22, 2013 @ 5:37 pm

  5. That SL really took off. If he can pitch with legitimately above average control and strikethrowing ability with that delivery, more power to him…there’s a lot of deception for a big power pitcher. They usually come right at you, but he hides the ball and it gives some deception.

    There wasn’t any video from the side, but because he hides the ball so well in his takeaway I’d be curious to see him throw from the 3B-line angle, to see the arm out of the glove. He definitely has the frame to be a workhorse, but with the velocity and amount of SLs he throws with, plus the amount of action his arm has through the release, if there’s any injury concern in his arm action.

    Comment by Adam Mac — April 23, 2013 @ 10:48 am

  6. From the 1:52 mark on, it’s side views from both the wind up and stretch. I ALWAYS include both unless something unexpected happens while at the park.

    Comment by Mike Newman — April 23, 2013 @ 11:41 am

  7. The Brewers have a stockpile of 3-5 guys and bullpen arms. Having that is nothing to sneeze at. The organization has paid many millions for that in the past because they were unable to develop it.

    Comment by Mike Newman — April 23, 2013 @ 11:43 am

  8. Awesome info. Thanks for sharing this.

    Comment by Mike Newman — April 23, 2013 @ 11:43 am

  9. I’m hearing Jungmann described as a “back end guy” everywhere.

    Comment by Mike Newman — April 23, 2013 @ 11:43 am

  10. Yeah, that’s what I keep reading too which is shocking to someone who watched almost all of his home college starts. His delivery was fluid, he’s big (6’6″), he had velocity and control, and he seemed to have more than 1 or 2 pitches.

    Apparently not much of that has translated to pitching every 5 days though. It’s kind of disappointing that to consider that he won’t wind up being more than a back of the rotation guy at this point. He was a joy to watch for 3 years at Texas.

    Comment by Cram — April 24, 2013 @ 12:15 pm

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