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  1. I love Dickey for being tough and pushing through the pain, but I think his team would be a lot better off if he’d just take 15 days off and get healthy. If skipping 2-3 starts could get him back even close to his 2012 form it would be an enormous improvement.

    Comment by Mister — June 13, 2013 @ 9:12 am

  2. Dickey: I don’t know if it reminds me of my age, as I look to my left and right, I see far younger players on the DL for far lesser things.

    Brandon Morrow?

    Comment by Benjamin Ebek — June 13, 2013 @ 9:14 am

  3. He may have to reevaluate whether he’s actually adding value. He’s certainly not giving me any value on the bench of my fantasy team.

    Comment by Blastings! — June 13, 2013 @ 9:21 am


    Comment by NatsLady — June 13, 2013 @ 9:47 am

  5. No One Cares About Your Fantasy Team

    Comment by NatsLady — June 13, 2013 @ 9:48 am

  6. Is that the name of your stunning debut novel, in which an honest but hapless single father learns to forgive and live again through the eyes of his plucky daughter?

    Comment by Blastings! — June 13, 2013 @ 10:15 am

  7. Look at all these Sensitive Sandies. I love RA Dickey. I have an RA Dickey picture on my wall. He needs to go on the DL.

    Praise Dickey. RAmen.

    Comment by Blastings! — June 13, 2013 @ 10:17 am

  8. Morrow, Johnson.

    Comment by ALEastbound — June 13, 2013 @ 10:25 am

  9. I always instinctively hate it when people ramble or get aggressive about their fantasy teams too (Blastings isn’t doing this, mind)… But thinking about it, I guess roto fans make up the lion share of fangraphs readers, and definitely are the type loyal enough to return every day. So they’re the ones bringing in the dollars for our Fangraphs friends, allowing them to reimburse their excellent staff and enabling top tier access and pieces such as this… So, all in all, ICAYFT. And even if nobody else agrees, that does render the statement NOCAYFT incorrect.

    Comment by Floomp — June 13, 2013 @ 10:59 am

  10. Anyone saying that Dickey should just go on the DL for 15 days and miss 2 or 3 starts doesn’t really seem up on the pitching situation in Toronto. They’ve had at least 2 other starters on the DL for the entire season. And even though Buehrle was healthy, he pitched horribly for a while. Between Morrow, Johnson and Happ I doubt there would have been a time all season that Dickey could have gone on even the 15 day DL and been the only starter on it.

    So sure, Dickey may not have added a ton of value so far, but seeing as how the Jays have already had to get multiple starts out of guys like Ramon Ortiz, Chad Jenkins, Esmil Rogers and the almost unplayably bad Ricky Romero he’s been an improvement over whoever would have been behind those guys on the depth chart. They’ve been OK considering, but you can only expect so much from them.

    Basically my point is it’s not like they’d have just been replacing Dickey with their 6th starter (whoever that is at this point), but it would have put them like 8 deep on the depth chart and that’s scary for any team.

    Comment by Dillon — June 13, 2013 @ 11:05 am

  11. it would have put them like 8 deep on the depth chart and that’s scary for any team.

    Almost… The Cardinals would like a word with you.

    Comment by Anon — June 13, 2013 @ 11:21 am

  12. BIRDS CAN TALK!?!?!

    Comment by Steve 1 — June 13, 2013 @ 11:42 am

  13. Yes they can. Cardinals aren’t able too, but birds can talk!

    Comment by Tim A — June 13, 2013 @ 12:22 pm

  14. I’m sorry but playing through injury — particularly for pitchers — is the number one way to insure a far more serious injury. The second you start altering your throwing mechanics, as Dickey just admitted to, it’s inviting serious injury as different muscles and tendons start to over-compensate.

    So no, your point is moot as it’s beyond reckless. He just should take the 15 days. What’s 2-3 starts? Honestly, think about it. He’s not providing value for the most part now anyways. It’ll be a greater loss when he goes down for 30 because of a strained lat or other injury.

    He’s a competitor. Good for him. Look at how the Braves handled Freeman. It’s about being PROACTIVE not pushing through pain to prove you’re a man. TAKE THE REST.

    Comment by Jaker — June 13, 2013 @ 12:40 pm


    Comment by payroll — June 13, 2013 @ 1:32 pm

  16. Reads like he snapped a bit when Eno brought up age. Which says to me “yes I do acknowledge that I’m getting older and am struggling to accept that fact.”

    In which case, the whole playing through the pain, balls to the wall all-in mentality makes a lot more sense.

    Comment by payroll — June 13, 2013 @ 1:34 pm

  17. Pirates are at number 11(?) on their depth chart compared to the start of the year as far as rotation. But adding value is huge- compared to who would replace him, Dickey being tough has been huge.

    Comment by piratesbreak500 — June 13, 2013 @ 1:44 pm

  18. Why doesn’t anyone bring up the fact that he only pitches well against NL teams?

    Comment by peter — June 13, 2013 @ 1:50 pm

  19. ‘Only’ is a stretch. Four of 11 starts versus AL with a game score of 60 or better. Two of three versus NL. Pretty small sample sizes….

    Comment by MichaelPat — June 13, 2013 @ 2:07 pm

  20. FWIW, we were smiling and laughing through most of that. Wasn’t sure how much [Laughs] I should put in, since there were a few.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — June 13, 2013 @ 2:10 pm

  21. Love the interview Eno! Sounds like you were both getting a little feisty. Good job not throwing softballs at him and getting boilerplate athlete answers. It seems like Dickey respects you for it as well.

    Comment by Krog — June 13, 2013 @ 2:16 pm

  22. *Chuckles*

    Comment by Oscar Taveras — June 13, 2013 @ 2:32 pm

  23. I’m worried this might turn out like halladay 2012

    Comment by Oscar Taveras — June 13, 2013 @ 2:33 pm

  24. Not if you look at his last 3 years. Dominant in NL. Aside from one stellar start against O’s last year, he’s been awful against and in AL. His careers splits are shocking.

    Comment by peter — June 13, 2013 @ 2:38 pm

  25. Good that he had been feeling better before his dominant performance in SF, but judging from the way he pitched in Chicago in his next start, I’d guess he’s not feeling better anymore. I really wonder whether he can get back to full strength (or as close to full strength as he needs to be effective) this season.

    Comment by Dingbat — June 13, 2013 @ 2:41 pm

  26. I could be wrong, but I thought he threw back to back 1-hitters against the O’s and Rays last year?

    Comment by vivalajeter — June 13, 2013 @ 2:57 pm

  27. You are correct about that. Two great starts in a row. The Rays do love trying to get no-hit though. Last year, Dickey was 6-4, with a 4.20 ERA against playoff-bound teams and 14-2, with a 1.89 ERA against non-playoff teams. Included in those games against non-playoff teams was 6 games against the mighty Marlins. Not only were the Mets 12-6 vs. the Marlins last year, and 5-1 against them when Dickey pitched (he lost the last start of the year against them 4-3), but Dickey received great run support. In only 5 starts all year did the Mets get 2 runs or less for him. In 13 starts, they scored 3-5 runs. And in 8 starts, they got 6 plus. He also appears somewhat lucky to have faced the Marlins 6 times, compared to 4 games against Nationals, 3 against Phils and Braves. He pitched fair against Nationals and Phils, got beat up by the Braves, and just crushed the Marlins. I get that good pitchers should beat up the bad teams, but the great pitchers are supposed to beat the best teams – and with some realm of consistency. He pitched unreal last year (and years in NL) – but also benefited from playing some very bad teams, fairly often. This year, he’s facing better, balanced lineups and unfortunately for him, the Astros moved to the AL West, not East. Imagine if he had to face his own, solo-homer-happy Blue Jays lineup all year? He has dominated the Giants twice this year, including last week, only to come back against the White Sox and get lit up. Point is, he’s a great story and a solid pitcher, but he’s not a top pitcher by any means.

    Comment by peter — June 13, 2013 @ 3:09 pm

  28. No One Cares About Your Bad Literary Ideas

    Comment by Shlum — June 13, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

  29. Either that or the papal conclave is innarested!

    Comment by Shlum — June 13, 2013 @ 3:23 pm

  30. Ya know, there should be a way to compute player value by their willingness to take DL time and spare their team from below-replacement production while hurt.

    Comment by Bab — June 13, 2013 @ 3:25 pm

  31. A laugh track would do nicely.

    Comment by Bab — June 13, 2013 @ 3:25 pm

  32. I think the San Francisco outing was a fluke. He didn’t have his fast knuckleball then, either. It seems that it’s that pitch that made him an elite pitcher, and if this injury is depriving him of it by taking away velocity, then will be mediocre until he gets that sorted out.

    Comment by Blastings! — June 13, 2013 @ 4:22 pm

  33. In the sequel, a trollish little man known only as “Shlum” to those who suffer from his Internet-based vituperation, finds out what’s really important when reuniting with his family after the death of his father. A long-buried secret resurfaces, and in tears “Shlum” recounts to his siblings, who always kind of knew, the long drives home with his Little League coach.

    Comment by Blastings! — June 13, 2013 @ 4:28 pm

  34. I wonder if just moving to the AL makes a huge difference? The one time he pitched like Dickey of 2012 was against the lousy Giants.

    Comment by FeslenR — June 13, 2013 @ 5:19 pm

  35. They discussed the article in detail on Baseball Central today. Well done Enus.

    Comment by canuckassassin — June 13, 2013 @ 5:31 pm

  36. Ya maybe that would be the case for a conventional pitcher, but Dickey is throwing the knuckler obviously so he doesn’t strain his tendons and muscles as much and such.

    Comment by Psychedelic — June 13, 2013 @ 7:12 pm

  37. The Marlins weren’t nearly as bad last year as they are this year so it’s not like he was playing a 30 win team or anything.

    Comment by Psychedelic — June 13, 2013 @ 7:14 pm

  38. Was good stuff, I love Dickey he’s a great guy, hope he can get healthy and start throwing that nasty knuckler again. The knuckle ball itself is a fluctuating pitch start-to-start so some days he will get smoked and some days they won’t be able to hit him. its just the nature of the knuckler

    Comment by Psychedelic — June 13, 2013 @ 7:16 pm

  39. Brilliant analysis

    Comment by Shlum — June 13, 2013 @ 7:28 pm

  40. They’ve been talking about this article on Toronto radio all day. Great job Eno!

    Comment by bluejays49 — June 13, 2013 @ 9:33 pm

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