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  1. It appears that you are arguing for a greater suspension because of “intent” – Kennedy was throwing at Greinke’s head. Leaving out the fact that Greinke was hit in the shoulder, how exactly is MLB supposed to judge intent? It’s certainly possible that Kennedy was not even trying to hit Greinke (although that’s unlikely) and was just a pitch that got away like the one that hit Puig earlier. It’s also certainly possible that Greinke was the one headhunting when he went after Montero but he simply missed with his location. But I’m not sure there is any way for MLB to correctly perceive intent.

    Comment by schlomsd — June 14, 2013 @ 2:05 pm

  2. One could argue that Kennedy missing a start actually helps the D-backs, considering the way hes been pitching.

    Comment by Jabronies — June 14, 2013 @ 2:08 pm

  3. I bet MLB looked at this scenario when they decided to go over the top and suspend Kennedy for 10 games. They could go to 10 knowing that it was a “weak” 10. Set a new precedent for worse future offenses without being egregious for a minor incident like this one.

    How Puig, Greinke, and Kershaw escaped suspensions is unbelievable and how Howell and Belisario’s suspensions werent lengthy is absurd.

    Comment by Dre17 — June 14, 2013 @ 2:10 pm

  4. they already have to judge intent in every one of these cases

    Comment by juan pierres mustache — June 14, 2013 @ 2:15 pm

  5. No, I don’t think he’s arguing that. Many people think Kennedy had intent for the head. Most importantly, the MLB, who said as much and levied the 10 game suspension. All Dave’s saying is that 10 games for a SP, especially given this scenario, is not much of a punishment.

    Comment by Beasy Bee — June 14, 2013 @ 2:17 pm

  6. I completely agree with you that a suspension of that length is silly, because it will rarely if ever result in a pitcher missing more than one scheduled start.

    However, perhaps you missed Skaggs getting sent down the other day! Probably because they foresaw this situation where they can go with only four starters. Can they immediately call him back up?

    Comment by Chad Horner — June 14, 2013 @ 2:18 pm

  7. Oh man, are you serious? If Grienke had not have reacted to where the pitch was going, it would have nailed him in the head. He lurched up to take it on the shoulder so as to not get hit in the head. Intent here is pretty simple, at least to me. If your catcher sets up way inside, as Montero did with Puig, than you intend to throw the pitch far enough inside to either back the hitter off the plate or hit him. Intention with Puig wasn’t to specifically hit him in the head, it was to come inside enough to intimidate him. That was the plan. It’s fine, it’s baseball and backing hitters off the plate is something that happens all the time, but the pitcher INTENDS to do so. If Montero was set up middle-away and the ball just got away from Kennedy, that would be a totally different thing. The predictable result of the ball hitting Puig occurred because the Diamonbacks intended to throw inside to him. I don’t see how there’s any argument to the contrary. Look where Montero is on the pitch. Kennedy should also be able to hit the target, he’s a frigging professional pitcher. If you make a mistake on a purpose pitch, you’re gonna have to pay the price the next inning when one of your (D-Backs) hitters is up. Been that way in baseball a long, long time.

    Comment by Perry — June 14, 2013 @ 2:20 pm

  8. Kennedy getting ten seems more than sufficiently harsh when compared to zero for Greinke.

    Comment by Iron — June 14, 2013 @ 2:22 pm

  9. Quick note, June is the 6th month of the year

    Comment by Justin — June 14, 2013 @ 2:22 pm

  10. To be fair, suspensions are without pay. Kennedy’s making $4.27m this year. I believe a season is considered to be 180 days, so he makes $23,722 per day or $237,220 over 10 days. This year is his first arbitration payday, so he doesn’t have millions in the bank. He’ll feel that. He’ll also feel it even more if he keeps sucking and gets non-tendered.

    Comment by Ed — June 14, 2013 @ 2:22 pm

  11. The suspension only relates to games, right? I’m assuming Kennedy can still practice and throw on the side with the team. If it were a solid 10 games where he couldn’t practice with the team, the suspension may have some more bite rather than just a long rest between starts. This would also be helpful for those 5 game suspensions which are essentially nothing for a starting pitcher.

    Comment by OtherSideoftheCoin — June 14, 2013 @ 2:22 pm

  12. He does lose 6.17% of his pay, though, right? So it’s more effective at punishing the player than the team, which might be the intent.

    Comment by byron — June 14, 2013 @ 2:23 pm

  13. Not sure, but I think there’s a minimum amount of time …. 10 days? that Skaggs will have to be there before they can call him back up.

    Comment by David — June 14, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

  14. You posted more accurate numbers while I typed my response below, so good job on that.

    Comment by byron — June 14, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

  15. Yeah, the money ends up being the biggest “deterrent” for starting pitchers not to throw at guys. Though obviously, its not enough of a deterrent…

    Comment by G.O.B. — June 14, 2013 @ 2:26 pm

  16. Skaggs sent down on the 11th, so barring a DL trip for a player on the 25 man right now, the DBacks will have to wait til the 21st to call him back up… depending on the timeline, we could see Brewer or Collmenter take a start or call up Delgado for 1

    Comment by Dre17 — June 14, 2013 @ 2:28 pm

  17. Or, you know, we could send him to prison for assault and battery

    Comment by Bab — June 14, 2013 @ 2:29 pm

  18. Hinkse also got 5 games for getting decked by Puig.

    Comment by Dreamin — June 14, 2013 @ 2:31 pm

  19. Greinke got 0

    Comment by randplaty — June 14, 2013 @ 2:32 pm

  20. Greinke’s that little kid you knew who got underneath everyone’s skin but somehow never got in trouble, although everyone he tortured always did because they got mad first

    Comment by Bab — June 14, 2013 @ 2:35 pm

  21. I was scrolling down, figuring I couldn’t possibly be the first person to read this and realize the loss of money involved. I find it very hard to believe this article focused on the punishment to the team and zero on the punishment to the player. The whole point of a suspension is to punish a player or coach for his acts. The team punishment is incidental, and in this case, negligible. Calling the suspension ‘useless’ only applies if the league really intended on making the team suffer. I don’t think they did. Interesting article, but weird conclusion.

    Comment by SKob — June 14, 2013 @ 2:37 pm

  22. You don’t suppose that the fact that the Dodgers former manager is now in charge of MLB’s discipline had anything to do with the Dodger players getting off so lightly do you? Hand me my tin-foil hat, please!

    Comment by Tim In Tucson — June 14, 2013 @ 2:37 pm

  23. I don’t understand how this could be construed as a “minor incident.” Number one rule as a pitcher – do not throw at people’s heads. Plain and simple. Ever. No qualifications. He did it twice. Though to be fair, one could be construed as accidental, but the 2nd one has no defense.

    He should have gotten 15-20 and so should his manager or pitching coach. I am actually amazed by this.

    Comment by KCExile — June 14, 2013 @ 2:38 pm

  24. investigative gold, brah

    Comment by nordic defender — June 14, 2013 @ 2:40 pm

  25. If you pay CLOSE attention to one of the angles in the replay, you will see that Hinkse hit Puid in the face first. That is the reason for the suspension.

    Comment by daring — June 14, 2013 @ 2:40 pm

  26. Greinke was not headhunting. Big difference.

    Comment by LaLoosh — June 14, 2013 @ 2:41 pm

  27. Except its Joe Garagiola who is in charge of this area, not Joe Torre.

    Comment by daring — June 14, 2013 @ 2:43 pm

  28. I’m willing to accept this, but even in retaliation Puig deserves some sort of a suspension in this.

    Comment by Dreamin — June 14, 2013 @ 2:46 pm

  29. It’s also worth noting that Arizona is short one roster spot for the duration of the suspension. Granted, they can deal with that by essentially going to a four-man rotation, but they’ll feel the pinch in a hurry if they happen to have a long extra-inning game, and there have been a LOT of those recently.

    Comment by Ian R. — June 14, 2013 @ 2:46 pm

  30. the pitcher suspension timetable is a joke. If they suspend a regular player for 10 games, or about 6% of the season, then a starting picher should be suspended for 2 starts. Its really simple. why is MLB so stupid?

    Comment by john — June 14, 2013 @ 2:50 pm

  31. He didn’t throw at anyone’s head.

    Comment by cass — June 14, 2013 @ 2:51 pm

  32. His 28 walks, 8 hit batters, and 5 wild pitches in 78.2 IP mitigate any firm conclusions about his intent.

    If this went to ‘trial’, any lawyer worth his salt would argue on that basis and get the punishment dropped to 4 games. In other words, he wouldn’t miss a turn in the rotation. Now we’re back to Mr. Cameron’s original point about the laughability of his suspension, and his strategic use of the ‘appeals process’.

    Comment by chief00 — June 14, 2013 @ 2:53 pm

  33. Not every pitcher is Greg Maddox. I really think he just missed his spot coming in on Puig.

    Kennedy started the Puig AB missing in with a fastball and it was more likely that was the purpose pitch than the one he hit him with. 0-0 miss FB inside. 1-0 front door curve over the plate (slight buckle by Puig probably helped out by the miss inside on the previous pitch). 1-1 change up down that caught too much plate and was fouled off. Classic tilt pitch sequence – start hard in, then work soft and preferably down and out to get the hitter leaning forward and over the plate – then bust him inside with a fastball up in the zone to put him away either swinging, looking, or with weak contact. It got away. Kennedy was choked he hit a guy with a 1-2 count. Montero was inside but he looks a lot further inside than he actually is because of the camera angle.

    Comment by Dave — June 14, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

  34. I’ve always felt that pitchers suspensions were nothing. A player gets dinged for 10 games, he misses 10 games. If a pitcher gets dinged for 10 games, he misses 1. Its not the same punishment. It’s almost worth it for a team to lose a pitcher for 1 game if they know a star on the other team would actually miss 10.

    I’ve always felt the best way to go would be to say “pitcher whoever suspended for 2 or 3 starts” (if its a starter) then they actually miss time and the team has to work that into their plans.

    I also agree with making the appeal actually stick. Make them spend the time and money to appeal and see if they actually mean it. Add a punishment to the appeal too. If you win the appeal, we’ll drop it from 10 to 5, if you lose, it goes from 10 to 15. Guess how many guys will still appeal if you actually make them appeal and give them a penalty for wasting your time. Add 5 games to the suspension if they appeal and back out too, that also might keep players from dragging out an appeal for nothing other than to delay their suspension on purpose.

    Comment by Billy — June 14, 2013 @ 3:09 pm

  35. My apologies for the ranting there, I realize it sounds childish but I’m pretty tired of seeing pitchers pretty much get off scott free when a position player loses a fairly significant chunk of time.

    Comment by Billy — June 14, 2013 @ 3:10 pm

  36. Greinke got 0 games because he didn’t hit a batter after the home plate umpire issued a warning to both benches (after the Montero at bat).

    Comment by David B — June 14, 2013 @ 3:17 pm

  37. How do you know that Kennedy was headhunting and Greinke wasn’t?

    Comment by schlomsd — June 14, 2013 @ 3:18 pm

  38. “My apologies for the ranting there, I realize it sounds childish but I’m pretty tired of seeing pitchers pretty much get off scott free when a position player loses a fairly significant chunk of time.”

    Per Baseball Reference, Kennedy’s contract pays him 4,265,000. A 10-game suspension will cost him about $263K. Are you implying that is “getting off scot free”?

    Comment by J — June 14, 2013 @ 3:20 pm

  39. Who is a former Diamondbacks GM.

    Comment by schlomsd — June 14, 2013 @ 3:20 pm

  40. 10 games is 2 potential starts. Since SP’s don’t play every day you can only suspend them in a way that would affect what they would potentially do. There is no way MLB can dictate a suspension length by assuming when a pitcher will start in the future.

    Comment by TheGrandslamwich — June 14, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

  41. I would love to see arrests for this kind of headhunting, but unfortunately it’s hard to see how you could prove intent in court. What certainly could be prosecuted are assaults during these brawls. Watching the replay you can see cops lining up, watching the stands instead of the brawl. Hello, officers! I understand that the fans are very interesting, but if you just turn your head slightly to the right, you’ll see several crimes being committed at this very moment. Why not step in there, slap some cuffs on a few of those guys, and take them away in a squad car. If they want to act like thugs, then they should be treated like thugs. This kind of crap has no place in sports – or anywhere else for that matter – and I’m sick of tolerating it.

    Comment by tirefire — June 14, 2013 @ 3:22 pm

  42. I think he is implying that the timing of the suspension wont actually hurt the D-Backs rotation more than anything else.

    Comment by TheGrandslamwich — June 14, 2013 @ 3:23 pm

  43. Well, Greinke hit zero people in the head and Kennedy hit two people in the head, for starters…

    Comment by atoms — June 14, 2013 @ 3:24 pm

  44. Maybe he hits a lot of guys because he likes hitting guys? Also, his walk rate is higher than average, but there are a good 26-27 starters in MLB that have worse ones, even significantly worse ones.

    Comment by atoms — June 14, 2013 @ 3:28 pm

  45. Although they may dress like cops, the dudes you see on the field are almost certainly paid stadium personnel. As team employees, they are probably under strict orders not to arrest players.

    Comment by Anon21 — June 14, 2013 @ 3:28 pm

  46. Sorry for the re-post, but I feel that the answer/s is very beneficial to the community as a whole. Can someone please do a write-up on Mr. Ervin Santana and/or please tell me whether he is a perfect sell-high? Thanks!

    Comment by Kip — June 14, 2013 @ 3:30 pm

  47. (and apart from Justin Masterson, none of those guys have hit as many batters as Kennedy over the past few years, it’s worth noting)

    Comment by atoms — June 14, 2013 @ 3:31 pm

  48. Collmenter hasn’t started all year, so I wonder if he is stretched out enough to start in place of Kennedy…Randall Delgado has pitched better lately for Reno, so perhaps they’ll give him a shot

    Comment by dixie_flyer — June 14, 2013 @ 3:35 pm

  49. Not that I agree with Kennedy hitting Greinke. But I really dislike that a majority are out to prove he was “headhunting”, especially using the evidence that he’s a major league pitcher who knows how to locate. If that was sufficient evidence, there would never be wild pitches on intentional balls. Kennedy has a weird arm slot, and it leads to him missing badly occasionally (even if that means from Greinke’s back to his shoulder-head area).

    Comment by SouthPawRyno — June 14, 2013 @ 3:41 pm

  50. But they build that in by suspending starting pitchers for longer periods of time than position players. I don’t think SP’s ever get suspended for less than 5 games, whereas position players are suspended 1-2 games all the time.

    Also, SP’s are losing more money via these suspensions.

    Comment by Atreyu Jones — June 14, 2013 @ 3:45 pm

  51. i hate that i can only thumbs down this post once.

    Comment by Sleight of Hand Pro — June 14, 2013 @ 3:46 pm

  52. I have a solution! Let’s draw an arbitrary legal line between a regular ol’ “fracas” and “assault and battery on the diamond”! Anyone who crosses that line gets a fine and jailtime!

    Charging the mound = fracas
    Throwing a helmet = borderline fracas
    Ground n’ pound = assault and battery
    Throwing a haymaker at Don Zimmer = attempted murder

    Isn’t baseball great?!

    Comment by Bab — June 14, 2013 @ 3:47 pm

  53. @atoms: He has HBP Syndrome with batteropathic tendencies. In other words, he can’t help but throw at batters because he enjoys it. The catcher calls for a pitch at the knees, and he takes it literally. Ultimately, he’s not responsible. ;)

    Comment by chief00 — June 14, 2013 @ 3:47 pm

  54. Take the cape off your back, hero. I would sure love your expert thoughts on Santana’s start – or maybe it just went over your head.

    Comment by Kip — June 14, 2013 @ 3:50 pm

  55. If some random business company doesn’t have a policy of reporting fights to police, the only punishment is what they dole out unless someone in the fight wants to press charges. What would happen if a ballplayer actually pressed charges because of a fight? What if Greinke filed a police report against Quentin a month+ ago? Is he allowed to? Is this more of an unwritten rule situation or is there a rule that prevents it?

    Delmon Young wasn’t charged for hitting the umpire with a thrown bat, but could the umpire have filed an assault charge?

    Jose Offerman was arrested for charging the mound in a minor league game with a bat and swinging at the pitcher twice. So this was too far for baseball and they let the police have him. I guess the bat (weapon) was the only difference, but it is intent to harm either way. It’s entertainment until someone goes too far I guess.

    Comment by SKob — June 14, 2013 @ 4:01 pm

  56. Suspending a guy for self defense? What is he suppose to do, Let Hinske use his face as a punching bag at will?

    Comment by JuanPierreDoesSteroids — June 14, 2013 @ 4:14 pm

  57. Oh come on! There was a replay of the Sopranos-esque look that Montero gave Greinke before that pitch. Greinke obviously thought he was being thrown at. I think there’s a fair amount of indicators.

    Comment by Kumar — June 14, 2013 @ 4:18 pm

  58. They give the Giants Kontos three games, and Kennedy two. Well that’s logical.

    Comment by channelclemente — June 14, 2013 @ 5:04 pm

  59. Maybe they should suspend pitchers on half-pay but double the length of the suspension.

    Comment by Tim — June 14, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

  60. None of them are Maddox.

    Comment by steve-o — June 14, 2013 @ 5:22 pm

  61. Why would MLB want to get rid of situations like these? Conflict improves fan interest. If anything the suspensions are just a front to maintain an image.

    Comment by adohaj — June 14, 2013 @ 5:33 pm

  62. Be just and if you can’t be just, be arbitrary

    Comment by Bab — June 14, 2013 @ 5:35 pm

  63. That replay of montero was a shot with his mask on. all you saw was his eyes looking up at grienke. and for all you know, he was chatting with him.

    Comment by Nehi — June 14, 2013 @ 6:41 pm

  64. Just don’t judge intent. You can reasonable try to judge whether the pitcher was trying to hit the batter; MLB already does this. If the ball goes towards the batter’s head in one of those instances, it should be an automatic increase in the suspension. If you commit a robbery and someone dies, you get charged with murder. It’s the same principle.

    15-20 games, I see as still being too lite. With very few exceptions, throwing a baseball 90 mph at someones head is the most violent thing that ever occurs during a game. The repercussions of this could be and have been extremely serious. The fact that it’s often laughed off as “part of the game” is fucking insane and a goal of MLB should be to eradicate the act and that sentiment. 50 game suspensions for pitchers deemed to be intentionally throwing at a batter and whose pitch was towards the batters head should accomplish that.

    Comment by Mike — June 14, 2013 @ 6:46 pm

  65. I’m going to second the insinuation that Greinke’s a dick.

    Comment by Jon L. — June 14, 2013 @ 6:51 pm

  66. That’s slightly cynical but, yeah, fights turn heads

    Comment by Bab — June 14, 2013 @ 6:54 pm

  67. Would 15 games even really matter? It’d be, what, one extra start that they could call up Skaggs for and then send back down again? It doesn’t feel that much more severe, except hitting Kennedy’s pocketbooks, but I don’t think that was discussed as a reason for putting it to 15+…

    Comment by Ruki Motomiya — June 14, 2013 @ 7:33 pm

  68. Well then it depends on whether you think you should punish the team or the player. If it’s all the player’s fault, you might as well give him 30 days without pay, but no actual suspension.

    Comment by Julian — June 14, 2013 @ 7:36 pm

  69. I saw the title and thought it would lead to a blank page.

    Comment by smokeyrivers — June 14, 2013 @ 7:42 pm

  70. Greinke was hunting though. That should be worth less than headhunting but more than nothing.

    Comment by Bip — June 14, 2013 @ 7:54 pm

  71. Ever since I’ve been watching baseball, which is not a huge length of time, I’ve been really confused by pitcher bans for this sort of thing. My main sport is football (soccer) and a ban for two/three games works fine, because everybody plays every game or thereabouts…so the same goes for position players in MLB.

    However, every team runs a five man rotation, pretty much all of the time, so it would make sense to me to make a pitcher suspension a multiple of five – I get the impression that MLB do that but always seem to round it down. If the ban for pitchers worked along the lines of ‘you will miss ‘x’ starts rather than games, after looking at the schedule as above, and then, if the belief is that they threw at someone’s head ‘y’ was added on, then that should work better.

    There are things that may be in baseball that are distasteful, but are still part of it, and maybe throwing at batters is one, but there’s a world of difference between deliberately hitting a guy on the back or ass than the pitches that hit Puig or Grienke.

    Comment by deadmanonleave — June 14, 2013 @ 8:21 pm

  72. SKob,

    There is no way a rule prevents a player from pressing charges. Law of the land >>>> law of baseball.

    Comment by wally — June 14, 2013 @ 9:34 pm

  73. No, he’s the guy that never got beat up being such a dick even though he should of, because it wouldn’t have been a fair fight.

    Comment by wally — June 14, 2013 @ 9:36 pm

  74. do they really want to get rid of headhunting? people keep saying fights are bad for baseball but every time a brawl happens people I know who don’t care about baseball start to get interested.

    Comment by eddiegaedel — June 14, 2013 @ 9:45 pm

  75. While I appreciate the logic of the article, as people have pointed out earlier, you don’t get paid while you’re suspended. So if MLB decided to take the suspension as step further and make it 15 games (since pitcher suspensions usually come in multiples of 5), then Kennedy would lose $400,000. And while I think his actions merited a 15 game suspension on the basis of not being able to play, I don’t think they merit a fine of $400k.

    Comment by Michael Scarn — June 14, 2013 @ 10:14 pm

  76. Really, Greinke dodo nothing wrong. His guy got hit in the face and he drilled the team in the back between the numbers. Textbook. Kennedy threw at his head. You could by his reach that he was trying for the head. Then he walks to the dugout and avoids any direct retribution. He’s a “kitty cat”.

    Comment by Jcutiger — June 14, 2013 @ 10:42 pm

  77. You’re right, nobody ever beat him up for throwing at them.

    Comment by Astro Villain — June 15, 2013 @ 12:11 am

  78. Didn’t Kennedy hit the shoulder that Greinke had broken for him by Quentin back in April?

    Comment by David Scott — June 15, 2013 @ 12:35 am

  79. Why wasn’t Grienke suspended? This is not the first time this season he’s been involved with hitting a batter. It was obvious he was trying to hit Montero. Where is the standard in who to suspend and who not to suspend? The Puig hit probably wasn’t on purpose, but anyone with a sane baseball mind knew that the Montero plunking was on purpose.

    Comment by Ryan — June 15, 2013 @ 1:33 am

  80. Sorry Ed i tried to like your comment but my fat fingers hit the wrong vote…
    Anyway yours is the best post by far, thats exactly what i was looking for because im sure kennedys wife is going to kick his a$$ for losing all that money…. Great Post!!


    Comment by Ray — June 15, 2013 @ 1:55 am

  81. Punishing a team for the actions of a single pitcher does not seem valuable. Pitchers are overpaid, leaving that as the only avenue of actually making a point to the pitcher. So many angry posters above thinking that their side got screwed. If anything, Mattingly deserves more time off, I like the way Gibson told the press to get their story on the other side.

    Comment by Gyre — June 15, 2013 @ 2:53 am

  82. Some insurance salesman, however, ARE Greg Maddox:

    Comment by MidwestIsTheBest — June 15, 2013 @ 10:48 am

  83. Maybe they should require underhand pitching so no one gets hurt anymore

    Comment by Joe — June 15, 2013 @ 11:27 am

  84. Exactly. It’s the lead story on sportscenter every time it happens

    Comment by Joe — June 15, 2013 @ 11:29 am

  85. The inherent problem is that MLB does not control when a team schedules a pitcher to start. If you suspend a pitcher for 3 starts, what is to keep a team from saying they plan to start him on 2 days rest a few times? Now the guy is scheduled to start Monday, Thursday, and Sunday in what amounts to a 7-game suspension.

    Comment by steex — June 15, 2013 @ 11:30 am

  86. I believe that would suit the game just fine. It is far more gentlemanly.

    Comment by Alexander Cartwright — June 15, 2013 @ 11:36 am

  87. e stults might be the new maddux

    Comment by adam lind — June 15, 2013 @ 11:43 am

  88. What value is there in even considering intent?
    The fact is Ian Kennedy hit one guy in the head and another guy in the shoulder in the same game.
    And for that he will have to miss one start… a start he can almost pick?

    Seeing penalties like that, it’s no wonder players feel that they have to “settle these things on the field”.

    To me, a pitcher’s intent is irrelevant. If you hit a guy in the head, or anywhere above the elbow, with a pitched ball, you should face a serious suspension – a month or more. And repeat offenders should get increased suspension time with each batter hit.

    This is basic basic safety. The head is just too vulnerable to mess around with…

    Comment by MichaelPat — June 15, 2013 @ 2:21 pm

  89. It would be novel in things other than soccer or hockey, but how about experimenting with not being allowed to replace an ejected player? Would be entertaining for sure, and might cut down on the headshots…

    Comment by deadmanonleave — June 15, 2013 @ 6:29 pm

  90. I know, he intentionally hit Greinke. But it wasn’t his intent to hit him in the head. that’s all i’m saying. I think it’s absurd the number of people who are out to say Kennedy is the only one at fault for hitting batters near their head. Puig’s was obviously not intentional and it hit him in the nose, and it didn’t even bleed. Greinke got hit in the shoulder, not the head.

    Comment by Southpawryno — June 15, 2013 @ 7:25 pm

  91. Um, how exactly will they be a man down in the pen by basically skipping their 5th SP 2 straight times through the rotation, by having that spot in the rotation fall on their 2 off days during that span?

    Comment by RollBravesRoll — June 16, 2013 @ 12:12 am

  92. There is only one solution. Once an umpire warns the pitchers, every hit batter is presumed to be intentional (and the penalty in that case is every baserunner and the batter is granted a RUN). If the pitcher hits the batter above the strike zone, the assumption should be intentional assault – and the game is forfeited.

    Raise the stakes for this nonsense and it will end.

    Comment by jfree — June 16, 2013 @ 3:21 am

  93. Yes, Puig just being fined for punching a player with obvious intent was a travesty. MLB needs to increase that to at least a 2-game suspension, but I suppose union rules don’t allow reconsidering a punishment except when protested.

    Comment by Baltar — June 16, 2013 @ 1:42 pm

  94. The players financial situation is not and should not be considered when determing a punishment.

    Comment by Baltar — June 16, 2013 @ 1:45 pm

  95. I don’t think that’s true.

    Comment by Baltar — June 16, 2013 @ 1:47 pm

  96. That is one of the worst comments I have ever seen.

    Comment by Baltar — June 16, 2013 @ 2:00 pm

  97. No, he still misses 2 starts. The fact that it won’t hurt the team much is irrelevant.

    Comment by Baltar — June 16, 2013 @ 2:01 pm

  98. “Although they may dress like cops, the dudes you see on the field are almost certainly paid stadium personnel.”

    I don’t know of a single stadium that doesn’t have actual cops on duty.

    Even 5K seat concert venues have actual cops.

    Comment by Synovia — June 16, 2013 @ 2:13 pm

  99. “Punishing a team for the actions of a single pitcher does not seem valuable.”

    You don’t think the order to hit Greinke came from the manager? Really?

    Comment by Synovia — June 16, 2013 @ 2:18 pm

  100. Thats my suggestion.

    Players suspended for these sorts of actions (which are almost always ordered by the manager) still take a roster spot while suspended.

    Also, have the suspension start the day after the incident, and allow an appeal to reduce the financial impact of the suspension, not the missed time.

    Comment by Synovia — June 16, 2013 @ 2:27 pm

  101. Grienke was clearly trying to hit Quentin earlier this season. I saw that game because I was watching some of my fantasy players. To me, it was one of the most obvious intentional HPBs I have seen in my 30 plus years of watching baseball. Greinke deserved a big suspension, but I guess he got sympathy because he did not try to get out of the way when Quentin charged him. Everybody seems to dislike Quentin so Greinke got a pass. Much like the guy who murdered Bob Ford (Jesse James’ killer in history) and then got pardoned because Ford was considered a coward in the public eye.

    Comment by NATS Fan — June 16, 2013 @ 2:32 pm

  102. Seems to be true!

    Comment by NATS Fan — June 16, 2013 @ 2:35 pm

  103. The suspensions are meant to punish the player, not the team. I’m sure Kennedy is still pissed that he’s not gonna start for 10 years (and presumably not get paid for it).

    Comment by vivaelpujols — June 17, 2013 @ 1:33 am

  104. 10 games, woops.

    Comment by vivaelpujols — June 17, 2013 @ 1:34 am

  105. A) I’m guessing the manager did not say hit him in the head. And B) Kennedy’s under no obligation to actually the hit the guy. It’s not like he loses his spot in the rotation if he refuses.

    Comment by vivaelpujols — June 17, 2013 @ 1:42 am

  106. Of course Greinke won’t get suspended. He used to play for the Brewers!

    Comment by Jacob — June 17, 2013 @ 3:19 am

  107. I think Montero looking up at Greinke before the pitch was just what catchers usually do to make sure the hitter isn’t looking down at his signs. Montero’s reaction after Greinke got hit, though, where he put a hand on Greinke and seemed to shake his head in sympathy would lend credence to the notion that Kennedy and Montero had indeed conspired to hit Greinke, but not in the head. Otherwise, you wouldn’t think Montero wouldn’t be too quick to sympathize with Greinke, considering that Greinke had hit him the inning before, right?

    Comment by CarryOnMyHeywardSon — June 17, 2013 @ 5:07 am

  108. That sounds awesome. Although the umpires would have to control themselves on ejections. No more for throwing your helmet on the ground.

    Comment by vivaelpujols — June 17, 2013 @ 9:36 am

  109. Because that stopped the MLB overlords from going after Ryan Braun repeatedly, right?

    Comment by Jason B — June 17, 2013 @ 9:50 am

  110. He intentionally hit CQ on a full count? Are you and your friends delusional? He’s going to waste 5 pitches on his arm just to bean a guy? Absurd.

    Comment by Tim — June 17, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

  111. Then why wasn’t a warning issued after the 3rd hit batter?

    Comment by Keith — June 18, 2013 @ 3:30 pm

  112. It was comforting to see Kennedy hit something this year, anything at all, as he sure hasn’t been able to hit his spots or anything resembling the strike zone. Maybe a couple of shots like these will get him on his way…, ah what?

    Comment by Bnnutt501 — June 19, 2013 @ 2:04 am

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