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  1. Matt Kemp was the true 2011 MVP.

    Comment by Slats — July 23, 2013 @ 8:35 am

  2. “… and any potential postseason games this year.”

    At least Brewers’ fans can get one good laugh out of this.

    Comment by Slats — July 23, 2013 @ 8:35 am

  3. Lyin’ Ryan.

    Comment by Blurs — July 23, 2013 @ 8:36 am

  4. Fantasy advice: drop Ryan Braun.

    Comment by Warriors — July 23, 2013 @ 8:36 am

  5. Ryan Braun you are a very sad person… You’re a liar, a cheat and an embarrassment to all the honest players out there… You also defamed an innocent guy back in 2011 when you got caught… and you say you love the game.

    Comment by Mr J — July 23, 2013 @ 8:38 am


    He probably cycled off this season fearing the long arm of SEALIG

    and now look how much he is hurt with out his HGH

    Comment by Cuck city — July 23, 2013 @ 8:38 am

  7. Well he’s done, next up is A-Rod.

    Comment by James — July 23, 2013 @ 8:38 am

  8. Take your lies to Bleacher Report.

    Comment by Slats — July 23, 2013 @ 8:39 am

  9. Pete Rose lied about gambling, was denied the HOF and banned from baseball activities for life. Shoeless Joe Jackson took a bribe, but never threw a WS game (.375 avg, only HR hit in the series, and did not commit an error) was still banished for life.

    Lyin’ Ryan Braun cheats, lies, defames a innocent collector, snitches and gets to pick his own penalty.

    Go figure.

    Comment by JS7 — July 23, 2013 @ 8:41 am

  10. Braun contract extension signed as a result of cheating: $105 million.

    Money lost from suspension: $3.7 million.

    Net gain: $101.3 million.

    I’m sure he learned his lesson…

    Comment by Rippers — July 23, 2013 @ 8:43 am

  11. Ryan Braun gets written off and his legacy takes a “permanent hit”.

    Meanwhile, many of the same writers will be extolling Andy Pettitte’s HOF case once he retires.

    Guess the hits aren’t always so “permanent”.

    Comment by JJ — July 23, 2013 @ 8:44 am

  12. It helps to have a more famous “best friend” that you can throw under the bus when you get caught.

    Comment by maguro — July 23, 2013 @ 9:08 am

  13. Thanks Wendy, this is informative analysis. Obviously we still do not know what procedure was used to arrive at the 65-game suspension, but from your understanding does it now appear that a player can be punished more heavily for a non-analytic positive than an analytic positive (I.e. testimony and documents versus testing positive)? I know you touched on this in your sub(1), but I am wondering if you have any further speculation or information. I do hope MLB and the Player’s Union clear this up, because right now it is a procedural nightmare, vaguely reminiscent of a Star-Chamber type inquiry. No one is likely to feel sorry for Braun, and probably few would have sympathy for others implicated in the Biogensis scandal, but ham fisted responses tend to muddy issues rather than clarify.

    Comment by Twm — July 23, 2013 @ 9:13 am

  14. The Brewers are totally going to win their next 50 games, and climb back into the wild card race.

    Comment by Bob M — July 23, 2013 @ 9:19 am

  15. I wonder if the Brewers front office approached Braun about accepting a suspension.

    He was injured this year, and looked to be on/off/on the DL as he dealt with his thumb injury. The Brewers are going nowhere in 2013. The Brewers all ready had to deal with the PED questions for two seasons, and waiting or appealing means three seasons. Given the public perception of Braun’s identity, there really wasn’t much to be said for negative consequences on that end.

    This gets MLB off Braun’s back, it gets the issue (hopefully) off the Brewers for 2014, and helps the team get a better draft pick.

    Comment by Bob M — July 23, 2013 @ 9:23 am

  16. Funny how everyone conveniently ignores rampant amphetamine usage, spitballs, scuffed balls, corked bats, stealing signs, and the sealed 2003 list of PED users, but hey, he cheated in 2013, throw him out of baseball.

    I’m not a Braun apologist, he deserves to be suspended. But, for those who want to start calling him names and saying he should forfeit his MVP award, then you have an impossible amount of work to do if you want to be fair, at all, about punishing cheaters not just this year but throughout baseball history.

    Comment by Christian — July 23, 2013 @ 9:23 am

  17. Telling that if the Brewers “win their next 50 games” all they will have accomplished is to “climb back into the wild card race”…

    Comment by Steven — July 23, 2013 @ 9:38 am

  18. Apparently you are not aware that Pete Rose also negotiated his punishment.

    Comment by Bob M — July 23, 2013 @ 9:38 am

  19. No, it was Ryan Brown. There’s no rule anywhere that says he has to forfeit his MVP award, and there’s no indication that this was part of the agreement.

    Comment by Baltar — July 23, 2013 @ 9:38 am

  20. It would probably put the Brewers into the division lead if it happened. Given the slim possibility, I went for the more humorous statement.

    Comment by Bob M — July 23, 2013 @ 9:41 am

  21. What would happen to fantasy owners was my first concern, also. That’s much more important than the lives of real people.

    Comment by Baltar — July 23, 2013 @ 9:41 am

  22. More likely, I think the MLBPA approached him and said enough’s enough. I you want a “clean” game, I think you need to credit the MLBPA for this step; one towards protecting the game and away from protecting the PED user.

    Comment by Steven — July 23, 2013 @ 9:41 am

  23. My favorite comments on this post so far are the ones that were cut and pasted from previous article on Braun. I applaud your lacks of originality.

    Braun, even if there was a mountain of evidence against him, which it seems very likely there was, had at least a decent amount of leverage because if this did not work out, MLB’s drug policy would be in a death spiral. Of course, Braun apologists and people who simply don’t think PEDs should be against the rules will rail against this as a “witch hunt,” but with some people you just can’t win.

    Comment by TKDC — July 23, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  24. I’m surprised a hall of fame talent like Braun would put himself at risk so soon after beating the positive test. He must not have realized that PEDs have a speculative impact on baseball performance.

    Comment by rockymountainhigh — July 23, 2013 @ 9:44 am

  25. who cares

    Comment by gouis — July 23, 2013 @ 9:44 am

  26. Gambling on your own team is a big deal and the White Sox scandal almost ruined baseball (even if he didn’t throw it, he still accepted money and was aware that it was going on yet told no one). The penalties for the first two are explicit and the penalties are banishment from the league.

    You can make a case that a failed PED test should mean being banned from the league but, at the moment, it isn’t. The other two are clear examples of situations where players SHOULD be banned for life. The other one is still novel enough that the discussion is still going around.

    Comment by James — July 23, 2013 @ 9:44 am

  27. Have you read the rules about gambling? It is literally in the MLB bi-laws that you are banned from the game if you gamble on it while an active participant in some capacity.

    Comment by Stringer Bell — July 23, 2013 @ 9:47 am

  28. Timing sometimes matters. For example, I’d probably hang out with my grandfather if he were a racist (irrelevant in my specific case, so this isn’t personal). I wouldn’t like it, but I’d accept it as a relic of a different time. People my age, on the other hand, are a different story.

    Comment by TKDC — July 23, 2013 @ 9:48 am

  29. You are assuming that Braun’s testing saga from 2011/2012 is an entirely different scenario than the 2012/2013 Biogenesis situation?

    Comment by Bob M — July 23, 2013 @ 9:49 am

  30. Agreed, this is stupid at this point. If you’re going to hand out a punishment, it should be agreed to in advance, which of course is why Ryan Braun using steroids is worse than some hypothetical player from the 1960s or 70s using Greenies.

    Comment by TKDC — July 23, 2013 @ 9:50 am

  31. From my understanding Braun is receiving a 50 game suspension as a first time user and the additional 15 games were negotiated by MLB for just cause. If he were to be caught again it would be treated as his second offense and he would face a 100 game suspension.

    Comment by Dave — July 23, 2013 @ 9:53 am

  32. I also think a lot of it has to do with the way he handled the situation after being caught. If Braun had just apologized accepted his punishment when the failed test came out like Pettitte did, we’d have all moved on by now. His hubris after the fact is what is going to make this follow him throughout his career.

    Comment by Sam P — July 23, 2013 @ 9:54 am

  33. Maybe you can learn from these comments and do some research and stop getting your baseball smarts from TGIF.

    Comment by JMo37 — July 23, 2013 @ 10:01 am

  34. The additional 15 games are for publicly questioning the testing procedure as outlined in the joint drug agreement, and questioning the abilities of the sample collector.

    Comment by Bob M — July 23, 2013 @ 10:21 am

  35. Did not commit an error, but allowed three triples hit to LF. How often do you see a triple hit to LF?

    Comment by Sparkles Peterson — July 23, 2013 @ 10:28 am

  36. Thank you for addressing me in this internet comment section that you knew I would read. I will take your words to heart and do some real soul-searching.

    Comment by Ryan Braun — July 23, 2013 @ 10:35 am

  37. Good spelling.

    Comment by Ben Hall — July 23, 2013 @ 10:36 am

  38. If I remember correctly, Andy Pettitte, RETIRED baseball player, gave testimony about Roger Clemens using steroids to investigators. Then, when the actual trial came about, Andy Pettitte, ACTIVE baseball player “misremembered”.

    So, because ACTIVE baseball player Andy Pettitte conveniently “misremembered” the facts of Roger Clemens using steroids, Clemens was found not guilty.

    If Pettitte is inducted to the HOF it will be a shame. The guy has admitted to PED use AND has backed out of testifying about another baseball player using PED’s. If Pettitte was such a stand up guy, he would have stuck to his original testimony he gave to investigators and not wimped out on the stand because he was an active baseball player again and was afraid of what his fellow players and the Players Union would think of him.

    Comment by Ctownboy — July 23, 2013 @ 10:37 am

  39. The most compelling question is Why?? Braun has tremendous talent, he has success, he has the support of his home town fans, he is the best player on his team. I’m wondering if this is self destructive behaviour similar to other successful people that just can’t live in that spotlight?

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — July 23, 2013 @ 10:39 am

  40. Parks tended to be much bigger 100 years ago. Triples were much more common.

    Comment by chuckb — July 23, 2013 @ 10:39 am

  41. agreed, baseball almost has a culture of ‘catch me if you can’ when it comes to cheating. Not the ‘big’ cheating, but the little cheating like those mentioned.. doctored pitches, corked bats, and others. Heck, we put some in the hall of fame, knowing that they ‘cheated’ in this manner (gaylord perry probably one of the more recognizable names)

    Comment by Cidron — July 23, 2013 @ 10:45 am

  42. Does Braun’s settlement w/ MLB mean that the evidence MLB had against Braun will never become public? My guess is that Braun negotiated some sort of confidentiality as part of this settlement.

    Of course, if so it just means we’ll have to wait until Bosch writes his best-seller.

    Comment by chuckb — July 23, 2013 @ 10:47 am

  43. easy to understand. look at it this way. your driving from your neighborhood to work, every day. on the way out of your neighborhood, you blow thru a stop sign every day. nobody ever is there, never is a cop to catch anybody.. so, you blow thru it every time.. yes, you are breaking the law, nobody else is hurt by it, and you benefit a little, what harm is there.. Now, MLB put a cop there and you got busted. You, were doin it so long and never got caught, …. and now you are. Same idea.

    Comment by Cidron — July 23, 2013 @ 10:49 am

  44. ask A-rod. The answer is simple. Why settle for being merely very good when you can perform even better. Its all about competition, and the need to be better than the next guy. We all know he is a top 10 talent. But, why settle for top 10, when top 5 is in reach, then top 3, then THE top..

    Comment by Cidron — July 23, 2013 @ 10:51 am

  45. likely. at least any evidence that is specific to his usage. That documentation that incriminates numerous people likely will be ‘leaked’, therefore becoming public.

    Comment by Cidron — July 23, 2013 @ 10:52 am

  46. Good point. He would have doubtlessly gotten $0.00 if he had never touched PED’s.

    Comment by Jason B — July 23, 2013 @ 11:07 am

  47. “agreed, baseball almost has a culture of ‘catch me if you can’ when it comes to cheating”

    should read

    Professional sports has a culture of ‘catch me if you can’.


    Comment by Jason B — July 23, 2013 @ 11:10 am

  48. Can you give any shred of evidence that the additional 15 games are for just cause? Or ‘questioning the testing procedure’ and/or ‘questioning the abilities of the sample collector’?

    As Wendy explains, this punishment does not fall under the collectively bargained 50/100/lifetime scale. It’s 65 games because it’s a punishment for the duration of the 2013 season, obviously.

    (Oh! And playoffs! Can’t forget about that.)

    Comment by Jason B — July 23, 2013 @ 11:14 am

  49. I’ve seen quite a few Braun articles out there, but the second I see Wendy’s name, I know this one is going to be well thought out and informative.

    No content, just compliment.

    Comment by VB — July 23, 2013 @ 11:16 am

  50. I’m really surprised Selig was able to execute this whole situation. When this first came out, sentiment was towards Selig over-reaching. Within a couple months, Braun has admitted to being guilty and is serving a suspension. I will never underestimate Selig again.

    Comment by VB — July 23, 2013 @ 11:18 am

  51. Calm down Dodger fans, you sound like small market Twins fans crying about that.

    Comment by Mr Baseball — July 23, 2013 @ 11:30 am

  52. Phew, thought you were addressing me for a second. Good thing I’m clean, right?

    Comment by A-Rod — July 23, 2013 @ 11:35 am


    Comment by Excelsior — July 23, 2013 @ 11:41 am

  54. If anyone needs me, I’ll be watching a sport where no one does any performance enhancing drugs: the NFL.

    Comment by Excelsior — July 23, 2013 @ 11:48 am

  55. It’s not just that Braun cheated, and then lied about it. He also went out of his way to smear me and destroy my career.

    Comment by Dino Laurenzi Jr. — July 23, 2013 @ 11:48 am

  56. A Fangraphs comment complimenting Bud Selig. You have to be being facetious. Right? Or maybe a newbie here?

    Comment by Richie — July 23, 2013 @ 12:04 pm

  57. NHL*

    Comment by Radivel — July 23, 2013 @ 12:42 pm

  58. He went out of his way to have you mishandle his sample?

    Braun being an ass doesn’t mean you were correct. An independent arbitrator agreed.

    Comment by Grammar Police — July 23, 2013 @ 1:06 pm

  59. Unless you’re in a dynasty league, then in which case time to buy low!

    Comment by Hitler But Sadder — July 23, 2013 @ 1:11 pm

  60. Hey don’t forget about me!!! He could have been addressing me too.

    Comment by Yasmani Grandal — July 23, 2013 @ 1:13 pm

  61. I think this is more of a “blind squirrel finding a nut in the dark every once in a while” situation.

    Comment by TKDC — July 23, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

  62. Back to Bleacher Report with you– I’m sure there is a new slide show worth your time.

    Comment by Hitler But Sadder — July 23, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

  63. And your mother is only average at pleasuring men.

    Comment by Hitler But Sadder — July 23, 2013 @ 1:19 pm

  64. I don’t think steroids put Braun or A-Rod over the top. I am not trying to sound like a PED sympathizer, but I do question just how much impact they have on a position player.

    Comment by Hitler But Sadder — July 23, 2013 @ 1:22 pm

  65. Sort of off topic but has Selig’s hair taken the color of my 3 pack-a-day Grandpa’s beard?

    Comment by Hitler But Sadder — July 23, 2013 @ 1:27 pm

  66. High five bro

    Comment by Hitler But Sadder — July 23, 2013 @ 1:29 pm

  67. Some players aren’t affected by it, Tim McCarver told me the hall is going to have to learn to live with a full-time DH in the HOF because David Ortiz is just too qualified to be excluded, while in the same broadcast telling me that A-Rod won’t ever get in because of PED’s. The sad thing is, I think senial old Timmy might be right.

    Comment by Preston — July 23, 2013 @ 1:30 pm

  68. I guarantee you that Ryan Brown was not and should not have been the MVP in 2011. Ryan Braun was.

    Comment by Don Draper — July 23, 2013 @ 1:32 pm

  69. I am so angry at MLB right now. These non-analytic positives are a travesty.

    Comment by Llewdor — July 23, 2013 @ 1:36 pm

  70. Synvisc=legal cheating. Cortisone=Steroid. MLB is flim-flammy. Either guys play clean or not. Picking and choosing which methods of cheating are endorsed, sanctioned, and administered by team personnel is dubious at best. How can the impact of modern medical/scientific advances not be considered in a broader sense here.

    Since Tommy John had his arm rebuilt a lot of guys have succeeded in careers that may not have happened previously. How do we reckon that in the historical context? Basically WTF? Should there be an asterisk next to all of the TJS survivors that go in the HOF?

    John Smoltz, any thoughts?

    Comment by Loop D — July 23, 2013 @ 1:53 pm

  71. Isn’t Rolaids technically a “performance enhancing drug”?

    Assuming your performance is hindered by acid indigestion.

    Comment by RC — July 23, 2013 @ 2:21 pm

  72. I’m not in the business of speculating. My understanding is that MLB had evidence showing Braun used and/or possessed PES over a period of time. I do not think that a single non-analytical will be or has been punished more than a single positive test.

    Comment by Wendy Thurm — July 23, 2013 @ 2:28 pm

  73. Where did you get this information? I’ve seen nothing reported on this issue.

    Comment by Wendy Thurm — July 23, 2013 @ 2:29 pm

  74. Where did you get this information? To my knowledge, MLB hasn’t stated why it suspended Braun for 65 games and no one has reported it.

    Comment by Wendy Thurm — July 23, 2013 @ 2:29 pm

  75. Thanks VB

    Comment by Wendy Thurm — July 23, 2013 @ 2:30 pm

  76. Not sure if you were responding to me, but I was just trying to be helpful. Just because they agreed to make the suspension the rest of the season, which happens to be 65 games, doesn’t mean it can’t be treated as 50 as a first time offense plus 15 (and postseason). They could have wanted it to be longer or even wanted to suspend him as both a first and second time user at once but agreed to this. I don’t know anything about what Bob M said or what specifically the additional 15 games would be for but there could be any number of things. Like I said, just trying to be helpful.

    Comment by Dave — July 23, 2013 @ 2:37 pm

  77. Well I read it when I was reading about it last night but here is something Maury Brown wrote. When you think about it, it would a lot of sense because I’d imagine they’d want to cover for the scenario that if he were to test positive in the future it counts as a second and first offense.

    His suspension on Monday is viewed as his first, and therefore 50 games. The league negotiated the additional 15 games for matters such as lying, etc. Many will point to Braun having his 50 game suspension for elevated levels of testosterone overturned in Feb of 2012 due to chain of custody being broken with his test sample. Braun and his lawyers never contested the positive results of the test then, only that the sample could have been tampered with. Former independent arbitrator Shyam Das ruled in favor of Braun and therefore the suspension was rescinded. Based upon the Joint Drug Agreement, it was as if that suspension never happened. Today’s ruling is therefore viewed has Braun’s first. If he were to test positive in the future he would be suspended for 100 games as a second offense

    Comment by Dave — July 23, 2013 @ 2:41 pm

  78. I’m mostly troubled by the apparently negotiated suspension. Either there’s a set punishment or there’s not. This seems to weaken the defined consequences in the JDA. Do players now get to propose shorter suspensions in exchange for dropping appeals? What happens on a player’s second or third violation now – can they avoid a lifetime ban if they agree not to appeal?

    If neither side is willing to specify the basis of the 65 game suspension, then things have suddenly become less certain moving forward.

    Comment by quickpitch — July 23, 2013 @ 3:29 pm

  79. Hey guys, it’s been a while. What’s new?

    Comment by Andy Pettitte — July 23, 2013 @ 3:33 pm


    Comment by Jeff Passan — July 23, 2013 @ 3:52 pm

  81. Yeah I had thought the same thing. The suspension seems to be very much on Braun’s terms. He’s not healthy anyway and his team is out of contention. Without knowing all the information I guess MLB decided it was better in this case to get a negotiated 65 games and corroborate the Biogenesis investigation for other suspensions that are yet to come than the risk of pushing for more and potentially having it shortened or thrown out on appeal.

    Comment by Dave — July 23, 2013 @ 4:01 pm

  82. When does any evidence ever come out? I can’t think of a scenario that would benefit him either. If he’s a long time user, then the damning will go on. If he used something a few times to deal with injury or some other less dark scenario, he’d be called a liar.

    I’m curious what he was guilty of, as he is a pretty skinny guy and taking a huge dose of testosterone before a game doesn’t make sense from what I know.

    Comment by oh Hal — July 23, 2013 @ 4:14 pm

  83. The local beat writer seems to think it was an offer of a season long suspension and no hearing.

    Comment by oh Hal — July 23, 2013 @ 4:17 pm

  84. “Bi-laws” suggest an ambiguity that Selig surely believes does not exist in the league’s bylaws.

    Comment by AD — July 23, 2013 @ 4:17 pm

  85. Grambling?

    Comment by AD — July 23, 2013 @ 4:21 pm

  86. Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt reported just the opposite:

    Comment by Wendy Thurm — July 23, 2013 @ 4:24 pm

  87. Feeling down Ryan?

    I’ve got just the thing for you

    Comment by Doc Gooden — July 23, 2013 @ 4:55 pm

  88. “According to an Associated Press source, 50 games of the penalty were connected to Biogenesis. The additional 15 games stemmed from Braun’s actions during the grievance that overturned his positive test from October 2011.”

    Comment by Bob M — July 23, 2013 @ 5:06 pm

  89. It is a 50 game suspension for his connection with Biogenesis, and 15 games for his statements following his successful suspension appeal last season.

    Comment by Bob M — July 23, 2013 @ 5:08 pm

  90. Imagine where you could be now if not for Braun… handling the President’s urine samples!

    Comment by SurprMan — July 23, 2013 @ 5:09 pm

  91. Wow, how is it possible that net 22 Fangraphs readers have liked this utterly, facially ridiculous comment? His “cheating”-based income is probably something between $0 and $105 million, that’s about all we know…

    Comment by mandamin — July 23, 2013 @ 5:26 pm

  92. My favorite Andy Pettitte moment was before he was caught and he very strongly opposed all HGH testing due to his “fear of needles.”

    He’s in the same bracket as Braun.

    Comment by TheGrandslamwich — July 23, 2013 @ 5:41 pm

  93. ok, it does improve, that much is known. How much, well, thats a huge variable.. given the actual ped involved, the dosage, etc etc. But, even if it actually did little, there is the placebo affect.. the player thinks it helps, therefore it helps.

    Comment by Cidron — July 24, 2013 @ 1:42 am

  94. I guess I can always move Manny Ramirez off the bench and into left field.

    Comment by Daniel C. — July 24, 2013 @ 4:39 am

  95. I think the basic point is relevant. Yes, Ryan Braun would not be stuck in the minor leagues if he had not used PEDs.

    There’s still a strong financial incentive (along with less tangible incentives) to cheat at all ends of the talent spectrum.

    It’s worth thinking about if this is something you want out of the game.

    Comment by Alan — July 24, 2013 @ 10:13 am

  96. While you are right about the history of cheating, it’s somewhat ridiculous to let all rule-breakers go free because you know you can’t catch all of them, right?

    The guy broke a rule. He’s being punished for it. If baseball wanted to take away the MVP, I’d have no issues with it.

    I understand that there’s a natural tendency for statistically-inclined people to defend Braun, partially because of the nature of the attacks toward him, but he’s guilty.

    It’s okay to dislike the mainstream sports media, think baseball is not fair in its application of the rules, think Braun is just the most recent in a long line of cheaters and STILL think he’s a cheater that should be punished.

    There’s absolutely nothing inconsistent with that.

    Comment by Alan — July 24, 2013 @ 10:20 am

  97. Is it worth thinking about? Absolutely.

    Is it overly simplistic and facile to conclude the “net gain” of his PED use is $101.3 million? Absolutely.

    Comment by Jason B — July 24, 2013 @ 11:19 am

  98. Dave–

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to sound so hostile to your original post; I was more trying to suggest that Bob’s suggestion that he got an extra 15 games for questioning this or that was pure, unadulterated speculation.

    Comment by Jason B — July 24, 2013 @ 11:21 am

  99. “Why settle for being merely very good when you can perform even better. Its all about competition, and the need to be better than the next guy. We all know he is a top 10 talent. But, why settle for top 10, when top 5 is in reach, then top 3, then THE top…”

    Cidron, you nailed it. People act as though they would be content to just do OK, when an OK season might pay you $1,000,000 per year on a series of short-term deals, whereas an MVP-caliber season might earn you a $100,000,000 mega-extension.

    Or to put this in terms of things we actually play or interact with – do we say, “eh, I’m content with my 4th place finish in fantasy football, I still beat eight other guys! Winning the league wasn’t a big deal.” Or “hey, I finished 518th in the WSOP, I’m happy with just barely making the money!”

    Some might; most don’t.

    Comment by Jason B — July 24, 2013 @ 11:28 am

  100. Also, he’s really not good enough.

    Comment by rccb — July 24, 2013 @ 1:31 pm

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