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  1. I’m no Bengie Molina, Dave.

    Comment by Ted Williams — August 7, 2013 @ 2:43 pm

  2. Thanks for another reminder Dave. This kind of performance could spoil us for many years before it really sinks in how awesomely Trout has started his career.

    Comment by tz — August 7, 2013 @ 2:46 pm

  3. Talk about regression… The guy’s basically on pace for another 10 WAR season!!

    Comment by Shauntell — August 7, 2013 @ 2:47 pm

  4. Jesus ball-sniffing Christ. Number that sticks out to me: 1.3 WAR behind Mel Ott in 800 fewer PA.

    Comment by olethros — August 7, 2013 @ 2:50 pm

  5. hey watch the language!

    Comment by Mike Lowell — August 7, 2013 @ 2:53 pm

  6. And currently leading the AL in walks!

    Comment by rusty — August 7, 2013 @ 2:53 pm

  7. Ted Williams wasn’t fast, but if he were, he’d be like Mike Trout if Mike Trout were to fight in two wars and be a master fisherman.

    Comment by TKDC — August 7, 2013 @ 2:54 pm

  8. Pretty interesting to see the translation from wOBA to wRC+ for Trout and then Williams/Foxx. Park and league adjustments, man.

    Comment by asisson10 — August 7, 2013 @ 2:54 pm

  9. I hope you can stop putting Bryce Harper in the same group as Trout now.
    Harper is in the same group as Machado and Will Myers and does not belong being compared to Trout.

    Comment by ricer — August 7, 2013 @ 2:55 pm

  10. Did you send him flowers for his birthday?

    Comment by eddiegaedel — August 7, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

  11. We’ll see Bryce Harper land somewhere in the middle of this list by next year :-)

    Comment by Jason — August 7, 2013 @ 2:58 pm

  12. He’s significantly ahead of Myers and (in my opinion), a bit ahead of Machado.

    Comment by IZZY2112 — August 7, 2013 @ 2:59 pm

  13. Watching him play every day is really something. Trout is a special player. It just sucks the Angels cant put a team around him. Trout might have back to back 10 win seasons with no MVP award. That doesnt make sense.

    Comment by Scotty — August 7, 2013 @ 3:00 pm

  14. What is crazy is that Harper(6.7WAR turns 22 in November 2014) and Machado(6.0WAR turns 22 in July 2014) all came up essentially together

    Comment by Tommy — August 7, 2013 @ 3:00 pm

  15. Damn. Mel Ott.

    Comment by Greg — August 7, 2013 @ 3:01 pm

  16. Myers is not in the same group as any of those guys.

    Comment by Nicolas C — August 7, 2013 @ 3:03 pm

  17. Lost in the Mike Trout adoration is that the all time WAR leader for 22 year-olds is a 5’9” dude named Melvin.

    Comment by Jaack — August 7, 2013 @ 3:04 pm

  18. Thanks for spoiling us Mike Trout, now talking heads debate whether Profar is a bust because he only has a 83 wRC+ as a 20-year old.

    Comment by Blockhead — August 7, 2013 @ 3:08 pm

  19. Maybe. Currently “only” at a career 129 wRC+, so he’s going to need to show that April 2013 was the real him, not everything that came after that.

    Comment by Anon21 — August 7, 2013 @ 3:08 pm

  20. There should be a “Troutgraphs” section on this site that would be dedicated exclusively to articles and observations about Mike Trout.

    Comment by Ted — August 7, 2013 @ 3:08 pm

  21. The kid is unreal, and it’s a nightmare to play against him.

    People call him a 5-tool player. He’s really not, as his arm isn’t great…but all his other 4 tools range from above average to elite, so it doesn’t really matter.

    I think the term is stupid, but we might be watching a first-ballot hall-of-famer here.

    Comment by Andy — August 7, 2013 @ 3:16 pm

  22. Harper is nearly two years younger than Wil Myers. Harper doesn’t turn 22 until October 16, 2014. Wil Myers didn’t make his MLB debut until 6 months after his 22nd birthday and his currently enjoying a .381 BABiP.

    Comment by Alexander Nevermind — August 7, 2013 @ 3:16 pm

  23. This man tells it like it is.

    Comment by Master Melvin — August 7, 2013 @ 3:17 pm

  24. As long as it can be done without mentioning the sadness of the rest of the Angels it sounds enjoyable.

    Comment by Deelron — August 7, 2013 @ 3:18 pm

  25. The best player born on August 7 prior to Trout was Edgar Renteria. Trout will probably pass him in career value the year after next.

    Comment by Mike Green — August 7, 2013 @ 3:24 pm

  26. But his name is a fish.

    Comment by Professor Ross Eforp — August 7, 2013 @ 3:27 pm

  27. https://twitter.com/JessTara/status/290549742969176065

    Comment by Daniel — August 7, 2013 @ 3:28 pm

  28. Might? Barring injury Trout’s the definition of a first ballot HOF. We’re talking the first player to give us real visions of a potential top 5 all-time career since ARod arrived, and he’s way ahead of ARod.

    Comment by dnc — August 7, 2013 @ 3:31 pm

  29. Interesting group of guys selected ahead of Trout in the 2009 draft:

    http://www.mymlbdraft.com/2009/

    Comment by Ted — August 7, 2013 @ 3:31 pm

  30. I often wonder if people are aware of what happened in baseball before the 1970′s when they talk about how obvious it is that PED have such an effect on offense.

    Guys used to flat out mash.

    Comment by Professor Ross Eforp — August 7, 2013 @ 3:32 pm

  31. Damn Korean war

    Comment by Willie Mays says — August 7, 2013 @ 3:33 pm

  32. What’s the minimum playing time for the leaderboard that Dave C. generated?

    Comment by Detroit Michael — August 7, 2013 @ 3:34 pm

  33. The professor has a point.

    Comment by James — August 7, 2013 @ 3:34 pm

  34. Here is some food for thought:

    What might Babe Ruth have done prior to turning 22 if he wasn’t pitching? He only got 263 PA before his 22nd birthday and he generated a WAR of 2.5. It looks like he was pitching in most of those games, too.

    Comment by Professor Ross Eforp — August 7, 2013 @ 3:38 pm

  35. Harper should easily fall in the top 10 by next year, agree. Just for fun, it would be interesting to see what kind of “age 21″ season (2014) Harper needs to have to equal Trout at 162 wRC+. He won’t get there, but with a huge (healthy) year next year he could move fast up this list.

    Comment by LuckyStrikes — August 7, 2013 @ 3:38 pm

  36. I knew deep down that somehow it was the Yankee’s fault that Trout was stuck on the Angels.

    Comment by Terrible Ted — August 7, 2013 @ 3:43 pm

  37. I’m in. where do I sign up?

    Comment by zach — August 7, 2013 @ 3:44 pm

  38. Some of these are like drafting Olajuwon.

    Some are like drafting Bowie.

    Comment by jruby — August 7, 2013 @ 3:46 pm

  39. 1915-1918 (Babe’s pitching seasons) he accumulated 14.8 fWAR through his pitching and 3.8 fWAR through his hitting. So he got plenty of fWAR those seasons (18.6) but it doesn’t make Dave’s list because it looks like he’s only included position players.

    Comment by zach — August 7, 2013 @ 3:49 pm

  40. Yes, but is he good at baseball? Thats the question that needs answering.

    Comment by JuanPierreDoesSteroids — August 7, 2013 @ 3:49 pm

  41. The Angels are lucky that Trout fell to them at 25 after they picked Randel Grichuk.

    Comment by JuanPierreDoesSteroids — August 7, 2013 @ 3:55 pm

  42. It’s nice to see Trout finally getting some recognition on this site.

    Comment by Dino — August 7, 2013 @ 4:09 pm

  43. Agreed.

    2K+ PA by age 22.

    Were they even called phenoms back then?

    Comment by CircleChange11 — August 7, 2013 @ 4:10 pm

  44. More talent in his pinky than most mortals hope to acquire over a lifetime, and then look up his girlfriend.

    If you needed any confirmation Mike Trout does not live in the same world as us peons, that is it.

    Comment by Kevin — August 7, 2013 @ 4:13 pm

  45. The ongoing slavish adulation of Trout makes the Angels’ poor record much more delicious to contemplate. Yep, he’s leading them to third place again. Amazing!

    Comment by Blake — August 7, 2013 @ 4:16 pm

  46. Only reason left to watch the Angels this season, and even that is dwindling…..every team is pitching around him at this point.

    Did not really worry about the salary tiff between Trout and the Angels before this season, but now…..with the Angels the official laughingstock of baseball with a “development” process consisting of overpaying worn-out veterans & waiver wire/independent league pickups….you have to wonder how long a truly great player will put up with being the star of a clown show…..

    Comment by JKA — August 7, 2013 @ 4:16 pm

  47. The Angels are also lucky that the Mets gave them the #25 pick by signing K-Rod…effing Omar Minaya.

    Comment by rk — August 7, 2013 @ 4:17 pm

  48. It’s staggering to think that Trout could be one of the top very few players in history.

    Comment by Baltar — August 7, 2013 @ 4:17 pm

  49. None of you even know Mike Trout. This is weird.

    Comment by Fastpiece — August 7, 2013 @ 4:18 pm

  50. The Avenseed Sevenfold of baseball.

    Comment by Baltar — August 7, 2013 @ 4:19 pm

  51. How is it possible that Ted Williams is beating Mike Trout significantly in all of those numbers, and yet he still is 5 WAR below Trout?

    Comment by psualum — August 7, 2013 @ 4:20 pm

  52. And be one of the worst outfielders in history.

    Comment by Baltar — August 7, 2013 @ 4:21 pm

  53. troutgraphs leaderboards could include Wins Below Trout.

    Comment by tyler — August 7, 2013 @ 4:22 pm

  54. He is so far. Admittedly, SSS.

    Comment by Baltar — August 7, 2013 @ 4:23 pm

  55. Apparently, Trout was #2 on their draft board (after Strasburg). Not sure why they chose Grichuk first.

    Comment by IZZY2112 — August 7, 2013 @ 4:25 pm

  56. In all fairness, there’s a case to be made for Miguel Cabrera. Unfortunate for Trout to come up at Miggy’s peak.

    Comment by Baltar — August 7, 2013 @ 4:27 pm

  57. Offensive context. The average MLB line through Williams’ age 21 season was .288/.362/.431. For Trout, it’s .248/.312/.397. Also, there’s defense, baserunning, and positional value.

    Comment by IZZY2112 — August 7, 2013 @ 4:28 pm

  58. Well, Harper is younger and hits for more power than Trout (just 2 less HR in 200 less PA), even if he doesn’t have the same batting average.

    I’m not sure how he’s at all comparable to Manny Machado, who is 4 months older and has a 35 point lower wRC+ (.043 lower wOBA), or Wil Myers, who is 2 years older, walks less, Ks more and hits for much less power. The .008 difference in wOBA is entirely a product of the .097 gap in BABIP. In fact, Myers’ AAA wRC+ this year is 10 points lower than Harper’s is in the

    What I’m trying to say is, don’t be ignorant. It makes you look, well, ignorant.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 4:35 pm

  59. Babe Ruth was the Muhammad Ali of baseball.

    Comment by Baltar — August 7, 2013 @ 4:36 pm

  60. i don’t see that mike trout is the same as ted williams with speed. if ted williams had mike trout’s speed, wouldn’t his wRC+ have been higher as a result of stolen bases? as i see it, mike trout (with mike trout speed) is equivalent to ted williams (with ted williams speed). if ted williams had mike trout speed, he would be in mays & bonds territory

    Comment by edward — August 7, 2013 @ 4:37 pm

  61. All Southern California girls look like that. Sigh.

    Comment by Baltar — August 7, 2013 @ 4:38 pm

  62. No, he’s not. He’s a year older than Trout, who is the oldest of the three.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 4:46 pm

  63. They got the Trout pick from Teixeira

    Comment by Will — August 7, 2013 @ 4:48 pm

  64. Stolen bases are no longer include in wRC+ or wOBA.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 4:53 pm

  65. I +1-ed for the name, but I stayed for the analysis.

    Comment by Big Time Timmy Jim — August 7, 2013 @ 4:56 pm

  66. Williams leads that list in OPS and is second in ISO (to Matthews).
    I think wRC+ is a fine tool intra-season, but it makes me a little leery over that long of a time frame.

    Comment by Urban Shocker — August 7, 2013 @ 5:00 pm

  67. Wow, Mel Ott hit 42 HR as a 20 year old.

    Comment by Urban Shocker — August 7, 2013 @ 5:02 pm

  68. Minimum playing time is having enough WAR to place on the graph. Is there someone you think is missing?

    Comment by Big Time Timmy Jim — August 7, 2013 @ 5:09 pm

  69. it was to put him a step further down for guaranteed money

    Comment by zach — August 7, 2013 @ 5:12 pm

  70. Why hasn’t he learned to pitch yet? What a selfish guy, not doing everything he can to help his team!

    Comment by Big Time Timmy Jim — August 7, 2013 @ 5:12 pm

  71. she’s from south jersey

    Comment by zach — August 7, 2013 @ 5:13 pm

  72. If you look at the high school players that were drafted before Trout most of them were significantly older than him – I’ve always wondered why teams don’t factor this in more. I think everyone knows that age is a huge factor in high school performance – I’m remember being upset after finding out kids that beat me were sometimes as much as a 18 months older than me (and it wasn’t like I was really young for my class, my birthday is June).

    Trout (25th): 8/7/1991
    Donovan Tate (3rd): 9/27/1990
    Matt Hobgood (5th): 8/3/1990
    Zach Wheeler (6th): 5/30/1990
    Jacob Turner (9th): 5/20/1991
    Tyler Matzek (11th): 10/19/1990
    Bobby Bochering (16th): 10/25/1990
    Chad James (18th): 1/23/1991
    Shelby Miller (19th): 10/10/1990
    Jiovanni Mier (21st): 8/26/1990

    Looking at that list of birthday’s it’s not much of a surprise that Trout is the best one on the list.

    Comment by schlomsd — August 7, 2013 @ 5:26 pm

  73. I wonder how accurate Ott’s fielding stats are, I don’t recall ever reading that he was a great defender (although that might just be because he was such a great hitter). He has the same defensive value as Trout:

    http://goo.gl/6TaHEt

    Also, holy Al Kaline! Although his 40.0 pales in comparison to Andruw Jones’ 62.0

    Comment by schlomsd — August 7, 2013 @ 5:32 pm

  74. Hahaha, thanks. I try.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 5:40 pm

  75. Great start! Too bad he will be a 2-WAR player by the time he‘s 25…

    Comment by laurence fisherman — August 7, 2013 @ 5:43 pm

  76. 22 years old already and no MVPs to his name. Sheesh.

    Comment by Danny Almonte — August 7, 2013 @ 5:44 pm

  77. LOL not impressed

    Comment by Julio Urias — August 7, 2013 @ 5:46 pm

  78. And you know this because?

    Comment by Geoff — August 7, 2013 @ 5:52 pm

  79. Really? His girlfriend is attractive, but not stunning. But you’ve certainly helped cheer me up today, now knowing my 31 year old wife, and mother of two, is just as, if not more attractive than the girlfriend of maybe the best player we’re going to see in our lives.

    Comment by wally — August 7, 2013 @ 5:52 pm

  80. Exactly, Cali girls look better

    Comment by wally — August 7, 2013 @ 5:52 pm

  81. Last year shouldn’t have been close. If Miggy were a career marlin, trout would have won handily.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — August 7, 2013 @ 6:25 pm

  82. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15295

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — August 7, 2013 @ 6:28 pm

  83. How are my kids by the way?

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — August 7, 2013 @ 6:30 pm

  84. Well, he did get injured in the first week of May. He played hurt the entire month, so I’m inclined to give him a mulligan.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 6:32 pm

  85. Albeit with more than 150% of Trout’s plate appearances. Though that works both ways- if you only take Ott’s 20 and 21-year old seasons, he’d have a significantly higher wRC+.

    Comment by yf223 — August 7, 2013 @ 6:35 pm

  86. The valid-ish argument for Cabrera, which no one pro-Cabrera made at the time, is that there was a bigger difference between Cabrera and the backup 3B than there was between Trout and Bourjos, so Miggy was more valuable to the Tigers than Trout was to the Angels.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 6:36 pm

  87. Probably because he only has a fringe-average arm in CF.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 6:41 pm

  88. Tell me about it, he’s been a liability of defense this year.

    Comment by UZR — August 7, 2013 @ 6:49 pm

  89. liability *on defense

    Comment by UZR — August 7, 2013 @ 6:50 pm

  90. Yet their WAR is pretty much identical at their age.
    And Harper’s WAR seems likely it’s going to regress in his sophomore from his rookie season.

    Comment by ricer — August 7, 2013 @ 6:52 pm

  91. didn’t they freeze Ted Williams’ body? Maybe Trout really IS Ted Williams!

    Comment by Greg — August 7, 2013 @ 6:56 pm

  92. Well, of course. Miggy would have won the NL MVP in that case.

    Comment by Mark Geoffriau — August 7, 2013 @ 7:01 pm

  93. My thought is that the inclusion of Machado depends on how great you think his defense is.

    Comment by Drakos — August 7, 2013 @ 7:02 pm

  94. His WAR is not going to “regress” from last season. That’s not what the word regress means. Harper missed a month due to injury (and played hurt for a month before that), so, naturally, his WAR has decreased as it is a cumulative stat. His rate stats, however, have all markedly improved.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 7:03 pm

  95. Actually the Angels are a good argument for the foolishness of WAR.

    According to Baseball Reference, after 112 games, the Angels have 21.7 offensive WAR, and 4.2 pitching WAR. Defensively they have -4.5 WAR. So the total WAR for the Angels is 21.4.

    A replacement team is supposed to win 32% of its games (http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8225). So the Angels should have 35.8 + 21.4 wins: 57-55. They should be an above average team. Instead they are 51-61 with their huge payroll.

    It gets better. The Angels have NINE hitters with an OPS+ over 100, with a minimum 147 PAs. Increase the minimum PAs to 294 and they have 7 hitters with OPS+ over 100. That’s a hell of an offense on paper.

    Their pitching must suck, then, right? Except they have three starters with ERA+ over 100. Their bullpen is a challenge.

    But still, how is a team with 7 above-average regulars, and 3 above-average starting pitchers, and Wonderboy the Magnificent who can do no wrong — how is this team 51-61?

    Lies, damn lies — and won-lost record.

    Comment by Blake — August 7, 2013 @ 7:03 pm

  96. I thought I’d read that it was at least in part because they had back-to-back picks, and the GM wanted to fuck with the scout that recommended Trout. Basically, they were going to grab Trout and Grichuk anyway, and he picked Grichuk just to see the look on the scout’s face. Pretty sure I read that on ESPN last year some time, but it’s blocked at work so I can’t verify.

    Comment by War2d2 — August 7, 2013 @ 7:04 pm

  97. Exactly. He really hasn’t been exceptional offensively compared to Harper and Trout. (Although he’s definitely been very impressive for a 20 year old).

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 7:05 pm

  98. It’s almost like WAR is a context neutral stat! And that oWAR+dWAR=/=bWAR.

    Comments like this are a good argument for the foolishness of people who try to use statistics they don’t actually understand.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 7:12 pm

  99. I may be a fool, but the Angels are still 10 games under .500. Nyah nyah.

    Comment by Blake — August 7, 2013 @ 7:53 pm

  100. Trout is the greatest of all time.

    Comment by Slats — August 7, 2013 @ 8:03 pm

  101. That’s a bold statement.

    Comment by JS7 — August 7, 2013 @ 8:03 pm

  102. Are there any true five tool players right now? The only two I can think of are Bryce Harper and Carlos Gonzalez and they both come with caveats.

    Harper currently carries a below-average baserunning rating for his career and has a subpar stolen base success rate. CarGo has a highly rated arm according to the stats, but would it play well in center or right field?

    Comment by The Party Bird — August 7, 2013 @ 8:03 pm

  103. Because he’s that guy from the matrix

    Comment by Kevin — August 7, 2013 @ 8:41 pm

  104. I know, isn’t it awesome?

    I’m just a Yankees fan breathlessly waiting for the day that we sign Harper to a 15 year, $400 million dollar contract.

    And I fucking hate the Angels.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 9:14 pm

  105. Definition of regress
    1. To go back; move backward.

    You have less war in 2013 than in 2012 you are regressing no matter how you look at it.

    Comment by ricer — August 7, 2013 @ 9:22 pm

  106. You and Trout should get a room already Cameron.

    Comment by Old School — August 7, 2013 @ 9:42 pm

  107. Just keep hating on my boy Miggy Cabrera who is putting up way better numbers than Trout while leading his team to the playoffs unlike your wonder boy Trout.

    Comment by Old School — August 7, 2013 @ 9:42 pm

  108. Hitting is only one part of the game.

    Comment by JS7 — August 7, 2013 @ 9:45 pm

  109. Ted Williams’ stats give me a boner.

    Comment by Mike — August 7, 2013 @ 9:55 pm

  110. I believe that in statistical analysis regression is defined as moving towards the mean. You are correct in that your definition is one of the definitions of regress, but people here generally assume the statistical definition.

    Comment by mcneildon — August 7, 2013 @ 9:56 pm

  111. I’m glad I could make your life better. It’s what I do.

    Comment by Kevin — August 7, 2013 @ 10:09 pm

  112. Except nobody is hating on Miggy, especially this year.

    Comment by Kevin — August 7, 2013 @ 10:12 pm

  113. AND Cowboy Curtis!!

    Comment by Jason B — August 7, 2013 @ 10:28 pm

  114. Trout just hit a two-run bomb.

    Comment by James — August 7, 2013 @ 10:30 pm

  115. What mcneildon said.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 10:44 pm

  116. Exactly. I’d give Miggy the MVP the year without question, actually.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 7, 2013 @ 10:47 pm

  117. Ted Williams isn’t in Mays and Bonds territory???

    Comment by TBH — August 7, 2013 @ 10:58 pm

  118. Luck.

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/

    Comment by TBH — August 7, 2013 @ 11:00 pm

  119. And a section titled “When Trout Failed”…WTF?

    Comment by chuckb — August 7, 2013 @ 11:12 pm

  120. Trout’s ok and all, but give me a Triple Crown winner any day, baby.

    Comment by Secretariat — August 7, 2013 @ 11:26 pm

  121. Stats don’t lie, dawg! Interpretations are often, perhaps always, biased, but the numbers themselves are spectacularly objective. Moral of the story: don’t criticize statistics, interpret them.

    Comment by Kevin — August 7, 2013 @ 11:27 pm

  122. Maybe Adam Dunn.

    Wait, you said “three true outcomes”, right?

    Comment by Andy — August 7, 2013 @ 11:32 pm

  123. Awesome article. Sheds a little bit light on nightmare of a season at age 10 in a league full of 11 and 12 year-olds. See also: Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

    Comment by Kevin — August 7, 2013 @ 11:33 pm

  124. How’s this for perspective: At age 20, he put up a better single season WAR than fellow phenoms Ken Griffey Jr. and Alex Rodriguez ever put up in their entire CAREERS (10.0 for Trout vs. 9.8 for A-Rod and 9.7 for Griffey at 27 year old peaks). That, and he seems to have actually improved significantly at the plate this year. WTF!?!

    He needs a new category. “Phenom” doesn’t adequately encompass his awesomeness. Also, how do you project for his development going forward? What is his ceiling? 15 WAR? 20?!? If his hitting follows the standard aging curve, and defensive numbers stay anything close to what he established last year…I don’t think a .450+ obp, 40+ HR, above average fielding in CF is out of the question for him.

    Comment by Kevin — August 7, 2013 @ 11:50 pm

  125. Fun fact: Mike Trout is the youngest player in MLB history to hit a home run on his birthday in consecutive years. The only other player to homer on his birthday twice by his 22nd birthday was Buddy Lewis in 1936 and 1938

    Comment by Blurs — August 7, 2013 @ 11:55 pm

  126. Harper’s base running issues are a skill (and overconfidence) problem, not a raw speed problem.

    The speed tool is there, so he’s a true 5 tool player.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 8, 2013 @ 12:08 am

  127. Trout simply does not have 40 HR power.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 8, 2013 @ 12:11 am

  128. Machado’s name doesn’t belong in the same paragraph as Harper’s offensively.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 8, 2013 @ 12:14 am

  129. The graph is ranked by wRC, not WAR. Look at Mel Ott.
    I’d be curious to know as well.

    Comment by Oily Ajax — August 8, 2013 @ 12:26 am

  130. Especially given that he isn’t likely to “fill out” any more. He hits for power, but unless he goes for a swing for the fences approach and moves to Denver or Milwaukee, he probably isn’t likely to hit more than ~35 home runs.

    Comment by Spencer D — August 8, 2013 @ 1:27 am

  131. He hit thirty last year and missed a bit of the season. He probably has 40+ home run power.

    Comment by Kirk — August 8, 2013 @ 1:47 am

  132. “This is only considering what a player does at the plate, and ignores Trout’s contributions in the field and on the basepaths.”

    It’s an ordered list by WAR. Doesn’t WAR include baserunning and defense?

    Comment by Colin — August 8, 2013 @ 2:42 am

  133. Oh nevermind, I see that it’s an ordered list by wRC+

    Comment by Colin — August 8, 2013 @ 2:45 am

  134. Why do you choose wRC+ instead of wOBA?

    Comment by Joe — August 8, 2013 @ 4:14 am

  135. It’s “one part” and also by far the biggest part of the game for a position player. It is also the most reliable to evaluate as there is not a completely accurate stat that measures defense.

    Comment by Joe — August 8, 2013 @ 4:19 am

  136. I am the greatest of all time!

    Comment by Rickey Henderson — August 8, 2013 @ 5:16 am

  137. try and look at the average MLB player from each era to see if wOBA would be a good idea.

    Comment by Marc — August 8, 2013 @ 8:34 am

  138. That’s what I was wondering, I thought it was commonly regarded that Ted Williams was a borderline top 5 player of all time

    Comment by mch38 — August 8, 2013 @ 8:40 am

  139. Well, the whole “5-tool” thing is stupid, I think we all know that, but one of the tools is “defense,” right? Which is separate from your arm (no questioning that aspect of his defensive game). Harper takes a lot of bad routes to balls. The diving catch he made in Tuesday’s game is a prime example (I realize it is a bit weird to point to a diving catch when claiming a guy has bad defense). His UZR over the last 2 years is pretty decent though, but he does have that arm and he’s played a lot of corner outfield.

    Comment by TKDC — August 8, 2013 @ 9:58 am

  140. Adam Dunn is a one true outKome player.

    Comment by Nathan — August 8, 2013 @ 10:21 am

  141. Should have wRCt — weighted runs created on the scale of Mike Trout. Everyone would look terrible because they’d be below 100.

    Comment by Nathan — August 8, 2013 @ 10:26 am

  142. How many terrible corner outfielders are there? One of the worst in history seems unlikely.

    Comment by Daniel — August 8, 2013 @ 10:33 am

  143. Hey buddy! I haven’t seen you since you went on the tour of the Elmer’s Glue factory. I waited and waited but never saw you come back out?

    Comment by Jason B — August 8, 2013 @ 10:47 am

  144. Big bucks, adoration and hype have taken down many young stars. I wonder if the Angels make an extra effort to “watch out” for Trout?

    Comment by Hurtlocker — August 8, 2013 @ 10:57 am

  145. Miguel Cabrera is terrible at baseball. He sucks hard. He’s the worst. I hate him. Everyone else is better, especially whatever player you don’t like.

    Comment by TKDC — August 8, 2013 @ 11:10 am

  146. Agree, but Harper hasn’t been healthy this year so he deserves a semi mulligan. He’s also a year+ younger which is alot in that age group. Trout is better though.

    Comment by Mr.GJG — August 8, 2013 @ 11:16 am

  147. I honestly didn’t read your post till after I posted. Great minds and all that…

    Comment by Mr.GJG — August 8, 2013 @ 11:19 am

  148. Renteria had a 103 ops+ and a 3.3 WAR as a 19 yr. old SS. Interesting no?

    Comment by Mr.GJG — August 8, 2013 @ 11:26 am

  149. More like the Mike Tyson…before he ran into Buster Douglas of course.

    Comment by Mr.GJG — August 8, 2013 @ 11:29 am

  150. Hat tip to John Vukovich.

    Comment by Mr.GJG — August 8, 2013 @ 11:31 am

  151. I gave you the 19th thumb-down by the way.

    Comment by Mr.GJG — August 8, 2013 @ 11:32 am

  152. Imposter!

    Rickey knows you are not the real Rickey. The Real Rickey–and Rickey is the Real Rickey–would have said “Rickey is the greatest of all time!”

    Comment by The Real Rickey Henderson — August 8, 2013 @ 11:39 am

  153. I’d say it’s pretty foolish to put any limitations on what Mike Trout can do. It’s almost like some of you guys have been in a coma for the last two years.

    Comment by Mr.GJG — August 8, 2013 @ 11:39 am

  154. This year:
    6th in HR
    8th in BB%
    10th in SO%

    2010-2013 [min 1500 PA]
    7th in HR
    5th in BB%
    1st in SO%

    2002-2013 [min 3000 PA]
    2nd in HR
    3rd in BB%
    2nd in SO%

    I think he’s practically the definition of three-true-outcomes…

    Comment by Eric R — August 8, 2013 @ 12:04 pm

  155. Oh, it’s definitely pretty stupid, but I do think that Harper has the talent to be a good defensive outfielder. The issue is that this is only his third year in the outfield. He was a (good defensive) catcher until he was drafted.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 8, 2013 @ 12:19 pm

  156. It’s not like he’s going to fill out any more and his HRs haven’t increased from last year, despite the additional month of playing time.

    All the scouts (who adore him, obviously) have him as a 25-30 HR guy. That means he might have a couple 35 HR seasons, but he’s not going to do it consistently.

    He’s a right handed Grady Sizemore with an extra 40 points of average. That’s one of the best players of all time if he keeps it up, but it’s not the same player as Willie Mays. (Bryce Harper, however, is Mickey Mantle).

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 8, 2013 @ 12:43 pm

  157. Angels are wasting the amazing production from Trout

    Comment by asaenz — August 8, 2013 @ 1:23 pm

  158. We’re not all savages like Serrano, here.

    Comment by Nick C — August 8, 2013 @ 1:33 pm

  159. Not talking about Miggy is apparently hating on Miggy.

    Mentioning other good players is also hating on Miggy.

    Detroit not named Miggy is hating on Miggy.

    Myopic is hating on…Miggy.

    Comment by Joel Brady — August 8, 2013 @ 2:08 pm

  160. I don’t have the balls to doubt pretty much anything about Harper, and that includes him becoming an excellent defensive outfielder.

    Comment by TKDC — August 8, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

  161. You must not watch trout play very much. Seeing him put a poor swing on a ball just to have it carry 440ft to the opposite field is a sight to behold

    Comment by Neutral — August 8, 2013 @ 3:45 pm

  162. You’re right, I just read a lot of scouting reports. I’ve never seen anyone paid to give opinions on baseball write that Mike Trout is capable of hitting 40 home runs in a season.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 8, 2013 @ 6:10 pm

  163. By invoking ARod, you’ve just proved exactly why “might” is the appropriate word here. An awful lot can happen between now and the end of Trout’s career, and it’s simply foolish to talk about ‘first-ballot HOFers’ when they’re a month from concluding their second MLB season.

    None of which is meant as a slight on Trout, of course — I wish there were an adjective that could properly capture how absurdly good he has been, but there just isn’t. He’s outrageously phenomenal.

    Comment by Graham — August 8, 2013 @ 6:16 pm

  164. Since ARod? I think a case could be made for Pujols.

    Comment by Word — August 8, 2013 @ 7:56 pm

  165. If Rawls sees this thread, Freamon is going back to pawn shop unit.

    Comment by Hurt Russell — August 8, 2013 @ 10:42 pm

  166. That’s a fair assesment of Harper if he does have bad roots to flyballs. Just like how Derek Jeter’s silly little hop throw on routine groundballs shows he has no range.

    Comment by derp — August 9, 2013 @ 1:13 am

  167. Ask Giancarlo.

    Comment by derp — August 9, 2013 @ 1:17 am

  168. Hell no. I was there for 13 years…and four months.

    I’ve got my 30. If I get transferred again I’m just gonna retire, make my dollhouse furniture and chill with my hot ex-stripper girlfriend.

    Comment by Cool Lester Smooth — August 9, 2013 @ 11:11 am

  169. They chose Grichuk first in order to have leverage against Trout when discussing a contract. Trout was always number 1 on the Angels’ list.

    Comment by ultiox — August 12, 2013 @ 9:43 pm

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