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  1. It’s ironic that Cashman is finally free to make real GMing decisions now that he doesn’t have George Steinbrenner shouting in his ear, but, at the same time, because the sons aren’t as interested as their pops in spending every cent in their possession, Cashman is forced to make more cost-conscious decisions. I think we’re going to see Cashman’s true ability in coming years and the “well, he has so much money to work with” accusation will have to disappear.

    Comment by delv — December 18, 2009 @ 10:11 am

  2. As a Yankee fan I love the Johnson signing. Low risk (1 year – $5.5 million) and he’s an OBP machine. Batting him second behind Jeter and in front of Teixeira and Arod should produce a ton of runs.

    Comment by SteveP — December 18, 2009 @ 10:13 am

  3. I really want to know where certain NL teams (Giants) were in this bidding.

    It would be stupid for Johnson to take this deal to primarily DH if similar offers were existent from NL teams, where he could play the field. I’d think it would set him up better for future contracts since he is a defensive plus.

    Unless he specifically wanted to play for the Yankees.

    Comment by BX — December 18, 2009 @ 10:17 am

  4. DHing for the Yankees gives him a better chance to stay healthy for the year, which should help his reputation and increase his value next year. The short porch plus the players around him should bump up his traditional stats. Plus, he gets extra exposure for playing in NY.

    Comment by Facebook Status — December 18, 2009 @ 10:25 am

  5. Maybe he wanted to come full-circle? Or, alternatively, he is shrewd enough to understand that many GMs still place emphasis on opportunistic counting stats like R and RBI.

    Comment by Adam W — December 18, 2009 @ 10:27 am

  6. While I like the Granderson trade and the Johnson signing for the Yankees, I take Issue with the authors assertion that they’ve made significant improvement. In 2009 Damon and Matsui combined for 5.4 WAR while Johnson and Granderson combined for 5.8 WAR. Adding 0.4 while getting younger and cheaper is a good move but asserting that all of baseball suddenly needs to become more afraid of the Yankees than they already were is silly. The Yankees had a great lineup last year and they’re going to have another great lineup this year.

    Comment by Greg — December 18, 2009 @ 10:28 am

  7. “I couldn’t believe that they were letting him walk and try to find a team. That’s the difference between New York and Boston…If you’re a part of New York, they’re going to keep you there: Posada, Jeter, Mariano, it’s the first time in history guys have been on the same team for 15 years. It goes to show you something about how the Yankees think, and how many Yankees players have been exclusive with one team. They keep them forever. (The Red Sox) were ready to let (Varitek) go. He’s their starting catcher. That’s how the two teams work. You know his days are going to be numbered here. But hopefully not — he deserves to be here until his career is over.” – Johnny Damon on Jason Varitek.

    Stick it up your you-know-what, douche.
    /bought Idiot weeks before Damon skipped town, still bitter.

    Comment by Joe R — December 18, 2009 @ 10:33 am

  8. Damon and Matsui are likely to regress somewhat, while Granderson is likely to bounce back a bit.

    Comment by Kevin S. — December 18, 2009 @ 10:36 am

  9. bitter much?

    Comment by DavidCEisen — December 18, 2009 @ 10:38 am

  10. Johnny boy, you never were a true Yankee.

    Comment by Matt — December 18, 2009 @ 10:47 am

  11. Seems like the Braves should’ve bested that offer. Maybe Wren is gonna bring back Garret Anderson to play first.

    Comment by Tim — December 18, 2009 @ 10:54 am

  12. I believe J.M. was stating that you should be afraid because of the way the Yankees are now doing business, and not necessarily because of the team that they are putting out for next year. Although if teams were afraid of the yankees last year (Championship), then adding .4 WAR should in no way lessen that fear.

    Comment by BklynJT — December 18, 2009 @ 10:54 am

  13. Completely bitter. There’s Wade Boggs, and then there’s just being a bag of ass on the way out for no reason.

    Comment by Joe R — December 18, 2009 @ 11:01 am

  14. Johnson also could improve as he’s further removed from the wrist injury.

    Comment by Snapper — December 18, 2009 @ 11:06 am

  15. When you can spend nearly double the next team’s payroll and 3-4 times most team’s payroll, the accusations of having too much money will never disappear.

    Yankees being the Yankees, gilding the lilly, trying to buy another championship.

    The thing is, Johnson is not worth this much, but the Yankees can afford to pay him this because even if he becomes injured – in all his career he has only played over 133 games once in his season and has missed close to half the games he could have played since he started playing regularly – they can slough him and his salary like it was nothing, whereas that would hurt any other team. If he’s reasonably healthy, he becomes another addition to the Yankees juggernaut.

    It makes total sense for him to join the Yankees too. Power friendly park for LHH, so he can mask the power drop, DH so he can healthy enough to point to 2009-2010 as reasonably healthy seasons for him, moving beyond his 2007-2008 season fiascoes, cash in on big multi-year contract for 2011 and he’ll probably be injured every year again for whoever is sucker enough to sign him up.

    Comment by obsessivegiantscompulsive — December 18, 2009 @ 11:14 am

  16. He’s not worth $5.5 mil? That’s a bit retarded.

    Comment by Jip Bloop — December 18, 2009 @ 11:17 am

  17. Nevermind the increasingly confident and public guarantees during spring training of championship rings.

    Comment by Alex — December 18, 2009 @ 11:19 am

  18. Granderson had a career-low year with an awful BABIP (while maintaining his LD% and a fairly significant increase in FB%). He’ll correct a bit plus Johnson has an opportunity to stay healthy since he won’t play the field much. If Damon, who won’t be as good anywhere else as he was at Yankee Stadium, and Matsui regress to a combined 5.1 WAR or something close to that, and Granderson and Johnson IMPROVE to something close to 6.1 WAR, then yes that IS a significant improvement. Plus younger and cheaper. Plus the one year deal for Johnson means they can go after Crawford next year.

    BklynJT is correct too. They are finally doing business CORRECTLY and having forward-thinking, rather than thinking ONLY about this season. Kudos!

    Comment by Matt — December 18, 2009 @ 11:22 am

  19. ehhhh….

    Johnny’s “double steal” will live forever in Yankee history as a fantastic and important play.

    Johnny was a solid player for 4 years. he was roughly equal in value to his contract. both sides should be happy with this transaction.

    and now they part ways. no big deal.

    Comment by Steve — December 18, 2009 @ 11:24 am

  20. your comments about payroll, while still true, are kindof out of line in this context.

    the Yankees have replaced Damon and Matsui, who made $26M last year, with Granderson and Johnson, who will make $11M next year.

    if they were simply trying to buy another championship, they would just sign Holliday.

    they are trying to lower their payroll. of course their payroll is still insanely high, but can’t we allow for a little more nuanced discussion here?

    Comment by Steve — December 18, 2009 @ 11:28 am

  21. BTW, commence jokes here:

    Comment by Joe R — December 18, 2009 @ 11:31 am

  22. Apparently it’s just bizarre to people that the Yankees can be a cost-efficient organization, but they are.

    Comment by Joe R — December 18, 2009 @ 11:32 am

  23. I’m sure some of the NL teams you mentioned were in on the bidding. That being said, if you’re Nick Johnson and your choices are the reigning champs, or teams that are aiming for the WC, it’s not a tough choice.

    Comment by Mark — December 18, 2009 @ 11:32 am

  24. And Nick Johnson is definitely a good sign at $5.5 mil. While he may get injured a lot, his insane walk rate makes him extremely useful to any team.

    And now Max Kellerman can smile again because they brought his boy back.

    Comment by Joe R — December 18, 2009 @ 11:35 am

  25. I still think there is a possibility that Damon comes back for one year if he is willing to take an incentive laden deal, just like Pettitte did last year. Whether that is acceptable to him and Boras is their decision, and if someone decides to pay him more, then he would be unbusinesslike (not a word, but perhaps makes sense) not to accept that.

    In that scenario, I think the Yankees and all their fans will wish him well wherever he goes. He was worth every penny of that contract. The lasting memory for me would be fighting off slider after slider from Brad Lidge until he slapped one into the LF, and then the incredible double steal on the first pitch to Teix. Without those, who knows if the Yankees could have won that game, or the series.

    Comment by Sam — December 18, 2009 @ 11:44 am

  26. to the giants fan who commented, the yankees only have the largest payroll because they generate the largest income so of course instead of having a owner who pockets all the revenue, the yankees go out and spend all their money on putting the best product out of the field for their fans and to win a championship

    any fan would want their team to spend money to get the best player, its just the yankees have an advantage because they have a larger income source

    Comment by Steven H — December 18, 2009 @ 11:53 am


    Yes Please!!!

    Comment by recca — December 18, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

  28. Furthermore, the moves allow Gardbrera to move to LF, increasing their defensive value.

    Mark DeRosa could be an option at a corner OF position as well, given the right contract.

    Add a possibility of Ben Sheets to that equation, who if healthy can be as good as a #2.

    The potential is borderline insane.

    Comment by wahbjo01 — December 18, 2009 @ 12:08 pm

  29. That answers nothing. Furthermore, replacing Damon and Matsui with Granderson and Johnson is a net decline in payroll.

    Comment by wahbjo01 — December 18, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

  30. How is Nick Johnson not worth $5.5million? The last 4 seasons he played (out for all of 2007) he worth an average of $12.6 million, including over $10million last season. I’d say $5.5m is a bargain.

    Comment by Matt — December 18, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

  31. wahbjo01:

    How is that not a decline in salary?

    Johnson= $5.5m
    Granderson= $3.5m
    That totals $9m

    Damon and Matsui each made $13m last season, which equals $26m. Last I checked 26>9

    Granderson’s deal pays him $6m on average over 5 years, not sure how it’s disbursed since he only made $3.5m last year. But even if he is paid $7m in 2010, Granderson/Johnson still cost half of what Damon/Matsui did.

    Comment by Matt — December 18, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

  32. Didn’t I say it’s a net decline in payroll? See above.

    Comment by wahbjo01 — December 18, 2009 @ 12:35 pm

  33. If Johnson stays healthy in New York he’ll put up some monster numbers. 110+ runs, 15 – 20 HR’s and 90 RBI aren’t out of the picture for him. So, maybe not monster numbers by Texiera’s standards, but beastly compared to Johnson’s last four years. I’m projecting him to be better than Todd Helton this year based only on Johnson’s new park and lineup. He would be an awesome late round pick up for most fantasy leagues.

    Comment by discogerbil — December 18, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

  34. I will hire a hitman so fast…

    Comment by TCQ — December 18, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

  35. $5.5M in ’10, $8.25M in ’11, $10M in ’12, $13M club option in ’13 with a $2M buyout, plus various incentives and escalators on the option.

    Comment by Kevin S. — December 18, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

  36. Actually, no, that’s not what he was saying. He said, if I may edit a bit, “The Yankees will likely be even better than last year, and everyone should be afraid because the Yankees are back.” I suggest you read the last paragraph again.

    Comment by mattymatty — December 18, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

  37. “if they were simply trying to buy another championship, they would just sign Holliday.”

    First of all, every team is trying to “buy a championship”. Its a stupid line and we’d all be better off if it was never used again.

    Second, Holliday hasn’t signed yet, so there’s still lots of time. I expect the Yankees to kick his tires soon enough.

    Comment by mattymatty — December 18, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

  38. sorry wahbjo…thought it said “net” instead of “not”. A lot of wasted time on my part! ha!

    Comment by Matt — December 18, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

  39. No idea whether this factored in for Johnson, but it might be that every time he chases a ball into foul territory he flinches and remembers that horrible broken leg injury. That has to be difficult to get over.

    Comment by Ted — December 18, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

  40. On Johnson: An inexpensive bridge to Freddie Freeman, you say? Madness!

    On Anderson: I’m not sure he knows where first is. Did he reach base this year?

    Comment by MBD — December 18, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

  41. I think we have seen Cashman’s “ability” as a GM. He’s done blockbuster trades (Clemens, Knoblauch), he’s done waiver deals (Bruney, Rasner), he’s done scrap heap type reclamation projects (Lieber & Dotel). He’s been active in the international market (Contreras, Igawa), so on and so forth.

    Comment by Raf — December 18, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

  42. I totally agree – in that park, in that lineup, he could be insanely valuable next year. If not playing the field is what it takes to keep him healthy through the season – then the Yankees just made an excellent acquisition.

    Very happy to have just scooped him up in my dynasty fantasy league.

    Comment by SaltyBiscuits — December 18, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

  43. I expect 20-25 home runs and a .405 on base percentage in NYY.

    Barring some serious bad luck injury wise, I think the Yankees could win 120 + games next year. And that totally blows. It is finally time for a salary cap!

    Comment by PhD Brian — December 18, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

  44. I doubt that the Yankees will exercise their part of the mutual option year next year though. I have him too, but I’m not counting on him playing in NY past 2010, not with the way Montero has been tearing it up in the minor leagues and his terrible defense at catcher. If Montero stays healthy and doesn’t collapse in AAA this year that he’ll be up and DHing for the Yanks in 2011. At best Johnson will be a part time DH in NY for 2011, otherwise he’ll be playing 1B for some other team (hopefully an AL team so he can DH as well).

    Comment by discogerbil — December 18, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

  45. Ask the same question when -pick your tendon- snaps in spring training, again.

    Stupid sign. If this guy plays more than 50 games I’d be shocked.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 18, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

  46. Considering he’s failed to play 50 games only once in his career, this statement is irrational.

    Comment by Kevin S. — December 18, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

  47. Get it right. Pitching and defense, along with offense, win, not the other way around, regardless of what the historically perverse 2009 MFY taught ya with all their elderly DH’s tossing obscene numbers at the face of reason and father time.

    I think the team’s gonna crash and burn. Be it from starter injuries or whatever, reversion to the mean is gonna happen because it always does. They shouldn’t have won 90 games last year and they won’t next year.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 18, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

  48. Except that Damon and Matsui played so well in New Yankee Stadium, while Granderson and Johnson played in massively worse parks for hitting (Comerica and Nationals Park/Land Shark, respectively). Granderson and Johnson should be expected to hit much better, while Matsui and Damon should be expected hit worse. At the end of 2010, I would expect a much more significant difference in value than the half a win from 2009.

    I’m also fairly certain that old Yankee Stadium park effects were used for 2009.

    Comment by Pete — December 18, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

  49. Just don’t go counting your chickens, if you know what I mean.

    But screw all that (I think he’s an injury waiting to happen, you don’t. No surprise there) What I really want to know is why do so many ballplayers seemingly reverse their rep’s right right prior to their contracts expiring?

    Johnson had no right almost nailing 600 PA’s. Christ, he’s only done that once before, and his body looks like it was once abducted by aliens with an affinity for marshmallow. Yet he goes out and (almost) does exactly that because he knows $$$ is at stake. Seriously, WTF? I wouldn’t trust the guy, and I’m damn sure pleased the rumors of his coming to Boston were false.

    Good luck.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 18, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

  50. facts and logic suggest otherwise, such as the Yankees failing to win 90 games (by 1 game) once in the last 9 year, or that apparently some people will not acknowldege that every team have players with health risk. or that the supposedly million ace red sox with super D last year had all sorts of problems themself and traded for a catcher with a less than steller defensive rap to help their season

    Comment by RollingWave — December 18, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

  51. mattymatty,
    Your “edit[ing] a bit” is what made BklynJT sound incorrect, not the actual reading of the last paragraph.

    Comment by Whartonite — December 19, 2009 @ 12:14 am

  52. Pythagorean expectation suggests otherwise as well

    Comment by Whartonite — December 19, 2009 @ 12:48 am

  53. Look at the Indians back in the mid 90′s to early ’00′s, they had at best average pitching for a lot of that but amazing offense and good defense and they went to the WS three times. Also, look at the ’07 BoSox, they were only pitching and offense, they made some of the worst post-season plays I’ve ever seen.

    Every indicator so far makes the Yankees an easy favorite to make it to the post-season. I have a feeling that it will be as follows:

    AL East: Yankees
    AL Central: ChiSox
    AL West: Mariners
    AL Wild Card: BoSox

    As of right now can you honestly call anything different? The Yankees will will 95+ this season, their pitching is solid enough, their defense is strong and their offense is off the charts. Just like this past year, the Yankees will be the team to beat again.

    Comment by discogerbil — December 19, 2009 @ 12:48 am

  54. ‘Every indicator’ also projected the Patriots, Giants and Steelers to dominate 2010. Same to, the 2009 Red Sox and Rays. I don’t give any weight to that stuff.

    There’s no question that the 2009 MFY greatly exceeded expectations by winning 103 games with 3 starters (the last of which they were fortunate enough to retain), poor team defense, and the team’s core averaging, what, 35 years old?

    Theirs was a ridiculous season. They were projected to win between 90-95 games because they lacked pitching depth, overall depth, and defense, yet: Their offense won like 20 games on their final AB; among the starters, only Wang and Arod lost time to injury; Mo had arguably his finest season; Posada actually caught 100 games. I could go on and on: Swisher: lol. Hughes: what the hell was that?

    The team was easily the best in baseball, by far. And I say great for them. Their core came together for one final outstanding season, and what a truly outstanding season it was. But to expect a repeat?

    not gonna happen.

    BTW, many would argue that the 2007 Red Sox had the finest ‘up the middle’ defense in MLB, along with Lowell, Drew and Youkalis. They did not win with pitching and offense alone.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 19, 2009 @ 9:34 am

  55. Please don’t compare football to baseball; it’s like comparing apples to oranges. Football is much less quantifiable than baseball.

    I think you’re underselling the Yankees a bit here.

    They went up in WAR (the gap between grandy/johnson vs matsui/damon will be larger at the end of 2010)
    They trimmed payroll by a significant margin, while acquiring players that will outperform their deals
    They got younger

    I think the over/under wins discussion starts at 100 this year.

    Comment by Will Nagle — December 19, 2009 @ 10:42 am

  56. huh? they out played their projection because no sane projection would project all their 35+ guys basically playing the whole year. but even then pretty much every major projection i recall seeing had them over 90 wins . Unless you want to enlighten us with whatever major projections that said otherwise.

    almost no one would project 100 + win or loss teams simply because they’re pretty rare. you have to have a very good team and a lot of things going your way to get that to begin with. which goes against everything that projection is about, the average outcome.

    I can bet you the bottom dollar that when the PECOTA / ZIPS / MARCELS etc comes out for next season (barring catastrophic injury to major players in the off seasons ) that the Yankees would project over 90 wins on all of them. the guys they got are almost surely going to look better than the guys they let go if only due to age context, and because of last year’s amazing year for just about everyone the average projection outcome would probably look a bit brighter for most of them.

    Of course, you still gotta play the game. One would be crazy to claim that the Yankees surely win the 09 division title. because Injuries either happen or they don’t, you can “average” Jorge Posada to play 110 games but if he actually plays just 60 then the Yankees are screwed pretty bad. where as if they plays 130 then they’re probably unbeatable.

    Comment by RollingWave — December 19, 2009 @ 11:46 am

  57. Absolutely.

    But when I said they wouldn’t win 90 games, I said it presuming that everything would go wrong. Kinda like the Mets?

    Simple: A team which is projected to win “90-95 games” (which I also pointed out), but wins 103 because everything went so perfectly, I expect to drop off significantly for one reason or another. Reversion to the mean, and all; their BABIP was too high. Just as it was totally unrealistic for them to gain those +10 wins, it would be for them to lose 10 wins. But just you watch.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 19, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

  58. Uh, that’s not what reversion to the mean means at all. You seem to think that because they overperformed this year, they’ll underperform next year. Uh, no.

    Comment by Kevin S. — December 19, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

  59. It means exactly that.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 19, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

  60. You’re link just proved my point. If the Yanks *should* be a 95-win team, and they deviated by 8 wins last year, they’ll be expected to deviated by significantly less than eight wins next year. You’re claiming instead that the pendulum will swing the other way. Possible, but expecting it is a fallacy, except on a SOSH board, perhaps.

    Comment by Kevin S. — December 19, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

  61. It may not be a big difference, but he’s also switching leagues. I’ve read that NL pitchers issue more walks. I would expect his OPS to fall. But maybe when you throw in the park differences it’s not that big of a difference. Also the new looks at different pitchers may hurt him. I wonder if historically guys switching leagues causes inferior first halfs? I could see him maybe getting off to a slow start.

    Comment by dorsal — December 19, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

  62. If the Yanks are a 95 win team but they add +8 wins one year, the only way to revert to said mean is to subsequently lose 8 wins. Not necessarily next year, precisely, but eventually they must. Otherwise, they were never a 95 win team to begin with. Anyway, that’s the theory and I’m sticking to it.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 19, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

  63. Red Sox fans shouldn’t be so disappointed that the Yankees ( I think the team name is not correctly spelled MFY) were named team of the decade in an article on ESPN today. Maybe we should have a little more civil discourse. Ad hominem attacks do us baseball fans little credit. It also makes it more difficult to appreciate the incredible play in the greatest division in baseball, the American League East, or the greatest rivalry in sports Yanks and Red Sox.

    Comment by JB — December 19, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

  64. You can stick to it all you want, it’s wrong. Regression (or reversion, or whatever) to the mean is not “balancing out.” If that was so, the phrase would be “regression past the mean.” If the Yanks true mean expectancy is 95 wins, then that’s what we should predict them to do. Sometimes they’ll overperform it, sometimes they’ll underperform it, but nothing about probability theory states that because they overperformed last year we should expect them to underperform this year. Read more, then come back and try again.

    Comment by Kevin S. — December 19, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

  65. Yeh, I find myself going to less and less these days.

    Comment by dorsal — December 19, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

  66. In the most basic terms, you’re arguing that since the Yankees flipped a disproportionate number of heads last year, we should expect them to flip a disproportionate number of tails this year to balance that out. This is wrong – we should expect them to flip the same number of heads and tails.

    Comment by Kevin S. — December 19, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

  67. Not exactly. And I think you know exactly what I mean and this is a matter of semantics right now. Your problem is with my use of the term reversion to the mean, which might or might not be correct in this case.

    So let’s keep it simple: “You seem to think that because they overperformed this year, they’ll underperform next year”. Yes, exactly. I definitely do. It is my opinion based on witnessing the same thing occur over and over again. COL, TBR, etc. It just fucking happens. The MFY were so fortunate in 2009, namely with injuries and how their pitching held together, I would expect the exact opposite in fortunes next year. So if they’re truly a 95 win team, which I think is about right, that means next year they’ll wind up on the south side of those 95 wins. That is what I expect.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 19, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

  68. My problem has nothing to do with your use of the word reversion – it’s with your continued misunderstanding of the concept. Whatever, though. The fact that things worked out more than we’d expect this year doesn’t mean they’ll work out worse than we should expect next year. Look up Independence of Random Events some time.

    Comment by Kevin S. — December 19, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

  69. Wow, Dirty Water is a constant source of entertainment on these Yankee threads.

    You speak nonsense sir.

    Comment by noseeum — December 19, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

  70. No, it doesn’t mean they will, guaranteed, but regression should be expected as a more likely scenario. It would be one thing if the team was loaded with young studs like the team of late ’90′s yore, but they’re not. Their age and thinness at so many positions, coming off an injury-free year, spells regression with a capital ‘R’.

    Or ‘disaster’, maybe. Probably. YES! lol

    Really. I hate those fuckers. Douches play the absolute wrong way and still win. Pitching? bah! defense? Bah! Lefty power? Gimmee, gimmee some more. Cashman is a roster construction retard yet he gets by with George’s money. Their ought to be a law against that.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 19, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

  71. Not just that, but when the NYY signed the BIG 3 FA’s for 2009, they actually “lowered their payroll” due to the contracts coming OFF the books.

    It’s totally not fair. *grin*

    If NYY makes smart decisions (and they have) AND they are able to take advantage of high risk opps (Sheets, for example) and have that work out for them, then MLB may just be like the NBA, where we can not bother to watch until the playoffs (or even the WS), just to see who plays NYY (somewhat exaggerated).

    Part of what made the market-size situation “more even” is that NYY was often dumb with their money. If they’re smart, they’re even more dangerous (duh)

    Comment by CircleChange11 — December 19, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

  72. To be fair …

    The NYY also have the “Lion’s share” of a 20M (people) market.

    Even if KC or ‘most other teams’ wanted to, they couldn’t duplicate NYY’s situation. Throw in the ‘media capital of the world’, the ‘wealth of the NY area’, and ‘winning tradition’, and what NYY can do, is just unreal.

    NY in MLB history has been the home to 3 popular teams. Since driving out 2 of those teams, NY had a monopoly on the market for a very successful period of time. The expansion Mets have not really made a serious dent in that market. It might be analogous to the Dodgers being the only team in California, in terms of market size and percentage of the market held.

    I’m not trying to minimize what the NYY have done, but they have natural resources that most teams could only dream of.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — December 19, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

  73. Wow, Dirty Water has to be the most ignorant, blatant, homer Yankee hater I’ve ever seen. Nothing he has said makes any sense. Were the Yankees not a better defensive team than the Sox in 09? Was their pitching not ridiculously efficient during the season and playoffs? Cashman seems like he is doing just fine to me. He mentioned those “douches play the wrong way.” What way would that be? I guess the right way to play is to throw helmets or slam bats after striking out on a pitch that you think could never have been a strike, like Youkilis, Pedroia, and Ortiz. Seriously, carry your ass back to SOSH…loser.

    Comment by Chris — December 20, 2009 @ 12:42 am

  74. Yea seriously what is your deal? What exactly does that mean playing the wrong way? Also Cashman must be an idiot in building this roster. Seriously who would want the Yankees’ lineup?

    Comment by Matt — December 20, 2009 @ 1:07 pm

  75. Everything did NOT go “so perfectly” – not by a long shot. Certain things – teix’s and CC’s early season slumps, Joba’s season-ending slump, the bullpen in April and early May, AJ’s inconsistency, to name a few – went wrong but only a fool wouldn’t have expected them to. But the yankees also suffered their fair share of setbacks last year – Wang out for the season, Nady out for the season, A-Rod missing a month and not getting back to 100% until the end of June, molina sucking on defense. Having Nady on the bench all year would have enabled us to avoid Swisher’s slumps somewhat (not a knock on Swisher, who i think is a terrific player, but Girardi seems to manage offensive and bullpen depth to perfection), A-Rod was worth about .5 WAR in the first three months of the season, whereas in that span he’s typically closer to 3-4 WAR, his defense suffered in the beginning of the season too from the hip injury. A full season of Wang at 100% would have made AJ our 3rd starter and Mitre/Gaudin wouldnt’ have needed to pitch and Joba wouldn’t have needed to pitch in the postseason, so instead of shitting the bed at the end of the year they could have had mitre or aceves fill in for him after he hit his innings cap. That’s not to say that the yankees got bit by the bad luck bug last year – I’d say they had slightly more good luck than bad, considering the high walkoff totals and excellent years from older players. But things were far from perfect – I think you’re underselling just how well constructed that roster was. They got nothing from their #2 starter or their 9th best hitter (who has typically been as good as most teams’ 5th or 6th best in his career). Had everything gone “perfectly” for them, as you said it did, they’d have been closer to 115 wins than 100.

    Comment by pete — December 20, 2009 @ 1:14 pm

  76. So Cashman is the roster construction retard, but the Red Sox are trying to basically give away Mike Lowell to no success.. All this while giving away Crisp last year. Mmmmmkay.

    Comment by Chris — December 20, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

  77. Later, like when FG has some topic dealing with the Yanks tying up $190 mil on 75% their roster, still incomplete, and how that does not mesh with their their talk about having an actual budget.

    Comment by Dirty Water — December 20, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

  78. The irrational bosox fan is claiming that because they yankees may not mean it when they say they have a budget that cashman is a poor GM?I don’t get that at all. It’s a good move, it’s allowing the Yankees to justify to FAs why they won’t ove pay for services. Who cares what the motivation behind thier moves is, it’s a sound policy.

    The Yankees are getting better, you may not want them to, and that’s a common theme around baseball, but that doesn’t mean they won’t spend millions of dollars every year to piss off people like you. On the bright side, there are 162 games left to play before we’ll know who’s in the playoffs and who’s not.

    Comment by House in a valley — December 20, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

  79. There’s also still the suspicion that NYY will make a play for Holliday.

    Whether they will or won’t, I don’t know … but I’ll believe they really “are not interested”, when Holliday signs with another team and/or NYY never makes an offer.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — December 20, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

  80. Dirty Water, let’s just point out the obvious.

    Your basically saying that the chances of the Yankees tossing coin heads up twice is 25% thus they’ll probably end up as tail. the problem is, since the first head is already tossed, the chances of them tossing head again this year is in fact 50%.

    Comment by RollingWave — December 20, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

  81. so a one year deal should be perfect then, since he’s playing for his NEXT contract, right?

    man, the MFWCY are smart.

    Comment by Steve — December 20, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

  82. Water’s premise is further muddied by the fact that the you can’t quantify baseball in so binary a way. The yankees beat their projections by something like 3-4 games which isn’t surprising given standing projections seldom hit the nail right on the head. The idea that because they slightly over performed on their pythagorean and preseason projections one season, which is hardly unusual, has any bearing on how they perform next season is silly. The season to season performances are independent of one another, its intro to stat right there.

    Comment by t-lonious munk — December 21, 2009 @ 11:58 am

  83. Enough with obp! The new dh and lf are not half the players Damon and matsui were. Shrewd???? Stupid is more like it.

    Comment by Twasp — January 3, 2010 @ 4:10 am

  84. You’re right. Who in their right mind would want the hitters on their team to get on base more often? Screw OBP!

    Comment by noseeum — January 3, 2010 @ 4:36 pm

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