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  1. ely was traded in december.

    Comment by larry1sss — March 18, 2010 @ 12:03 pm

  2. Ah, crap. My mistake. Fixed.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — March 18, 2010 @ 12:07 pm

  3. The overwhelming opinion after 2009 was that Tyler Flowers’ defense had improved tremendously, and could stay behind the plate. This article seems to have missed that.

    Comment by nschaef — March 18, 2010 @ 12:08 pm

  4. Additionally, Carlos Quentin was acquired for Chris Carter who is considered to be one of the top prospects in the game, and might very well be the As 1B as soon as this year. I agree it was a solid trade for Kenny Williams until proven otherwise, but it might not be as clear cut as indicated here.

    Comment by nschaef — March 18, 2010 @ 12:09 pm

  5. “Tyler Flowers can hit, but it looks more and more like a move to 1B/DH will happen, decreasing his value as a prospect.”

    What makes you believe Flowers will not stick at catcher? He seems to at least be viewed as an average catcher now.

    Comment by Terry — March 18, 2010 @ 12:11 pm

  6. It might not be clear cut in the end, which is why I referenced Williams might be too apt to trade a player. But Quentin has already provided good value, and profiles to produce quite a bit more. I like him a lot.

    Re Flowers, the reports I’ve heard aren’t as good. If he sticks, he’s obviously a better piece. But I don’t think you’re ever looking at a guy you want to play more than 100 games back there.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — March 18, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

  7. They put up with A.J. back there, so average is probably a relative term in Chicago.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — March 18, 2010 @ 12:14 pm

  8. Sickels thinks he can stick at catcher. After five years of AJ Pierzynski the team won’t exactly be expecting Yadier Molina-level defense behind the plate.

    Comment by bigfun — March 18, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

  9. Not trying to belabor the point, but this was Kevin Goldstein’s take on Flowers’ defense:

    “Scouts were universal in their praise for how much he improved defensively, and team officials talk about how he bought into the need to improve from day one. Over the season, Flowers became an average defender to go with his plus arm.”

    Comment by nschaef — March 18, 2010 @ 12:23 pm

  10. OK, so everyone likes Flowers defensively. That’s fine. I do think he can be a nice third banana to Beckham and Quentin. I agreed with Hulet’s ranking of him here at FG (maybe would have had Hudson 1, I dunno).

    Let’s not let one player belabor the point of the article.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — March 18, 2010 @ 12:27 pm

  11. “And then last year, the White Sox took the approach to new levels with Jared Mitchell, who like many high school first-round picks, covers a lot of ground in the outfield, hits a fastball a long way, but swings and misses far too often against curveballs.”

    Mitchell attended Louisiana State University.

    This article is garbage, honestly, for fangraphs standards.

    Comment by Richie Abernathy — March 18, 2010 @ 12:36 pm

  12. Your reading comprehension isn’t much better.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — March 18, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

  13. I understand what you meant, Bryan, but in fairness to Richie, it does look like you are calling Mitchell also a high school first-round pick. Granted, you didn’t say “like other high school first-round picks,” but it was still confusing.

    Comment by DL80 — March 18, 2010 @ 12:55 pm

  14. If it was confusing I apologize. But come on. know where Jared Mitchell went to college. I interviewed his coach on this site not two months ago.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — March 18, 2010 @ 12:58 pm

  15. Why does FanGraphs hate the White Sox? =(

    I love this fuckin’ site too.

    Comment by Part-Time Pariah — March 18, 2010 @ 1:09 pm

  16. I don’t know if it counteracts my analysis, but for the record, I did own Ozzie Plan tickets last year. I like the White Sox quite a bit. Or their hot dogs, at least.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — March 18, 2010 @ 1:12 pm

  17. I know you know where Mitchell went to college. I do know how to read. I also know how to write. I apologize for calling your writing “garbage”. That was an obvious exaggeration, but you know you can do better.

    You do good work here. is more than likely the best baseball website around, so the standard is high. Keep up the good work.

    Comment by Richie Abernathy — March 18, 2010 @ 1:16 pm

  18. You’d probably be better suited eating hotdogs about 6 miles north then. I understand the need to be objective, but not downright mean-spirited.

    Sabermetrics just keeps taking one step forward, two steps back.

    Comment by Part-Time Pariah — March 18, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

  19. Whoa, whoa, I think you misunderstood. I was serious, I do like the White Sox. I can’t imagine where my comment took sabermetrics two steps back. I just wanted to debunk the notion we “hated” anybody … especially the teams we actually like.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — March 18, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

  20. just check off another team, bryan. it’s fun to see how long it takes until you’ve been accused of hating every team.

    Comment by larry1sss — March 18, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

  21. It isn’t belaboring a point, it’s called striving for accuracy. There’s more to the story, so commenters brought it up. Big deal.

    Comment by dickey simpkins — March 18, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

  22. I’m sorry, how does this article indicate hatred of the Sox? They had a terrible farm system for quite some time, KW trades his best prospects in exchange for more established ones, and the past few years have seen the team taking a different approach to drafting. Maybe a Sox fan with a much closer analysis of the farm system would be more optimistic, IMO it’s pretty accurate to call the talent pool shallow.

    Comment by dickey simpkins — March 18, 2010 @ 3:25 pm

  23. I’m not sure belaboring the point is the issue here, I think there’s a group of prospect hounds, particularly those that follow the CWS, who disagree with the “move to 1B/DH” statement. C vs 1B/DH isn’t a minor difference, particularly when you have a bat that would arguably play at 1B/DH. If he in fact does stick at C, you’re looking at one of the better players for his position in the AL. Also, Hudson at #1 with a 3SP upside? I’m not really disagreeing (although I’m not high on Hudson), but that smells like a very weak system.

    Comment by — March 18, 2010 @ 5:23 pm

  24. I can’t respond directly to Part-Time Pariah but I hope he knows that recomending somebody eat a Wrigley Field hot dog is like slapping him in the face and asking him to identify his second.

    Comment by MikeS — March 18, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

  25. Yeah, this also was unclear to me until I got to the comments, and I’m a “professional editor.” Why bring up high-schoolers when referring to a college guy, unless it’s definitely clear that you’re doing so for comparison’s sake (which it’s not, in this instance, unfortunately). Something to consider next time …

    Comment by Professional Editor — March 18, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

  26. It indicates hatred because the Sox are ranked 23rd out of 30. I think that’s it.

    Comment by Professional Editor — March 18, 2010 @ 7:57 pm

  27. I think the logic behind the Brandon Allen for Tony Pena trade was that first basemen with 30 hr power and high strikeout totals are easier to come by than solid relief pitchers. Maybe they think Viciedo will turn into a right handed Brandon Allen this year.

    I like how Kenny sells high on prospects. He understands how they are over valued. He also understands the immediate return a veteran will have without having to wait for a prospect to mature. Chris Carter is probably the only prospect Kenny Williams has traded away that will amount to anything, while in turn he has received Jim Thome, Carlos Quentin, Tony Pena, Juan Pierre, Javier Vazquez, Matt Thornton in return.

    Comment by striker — March 26, 2010 @ 1:24 pm

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