There’s a chance that the Yankees sign him to a minor league deal…who knows. The move didn’t make sense to me, because Gaudin’s at least elite against RHH and could be a useful cog in the bullpen and maybe as a spot starter.
I don’t think the Yankees are going to offer Gaudin a minor league deal; pretty sure they still have to pay somewhere around 25% of his salary even after they release him, so i cant imagine they’re going to give him additional money to keep Kei Igawa company
It seemed to me that the move was based on salary. Girardi has a thing for Mitre, apparently. With Park, Robertson, Marte and Chamberlain presumably getting mid-late inning work (high leverage or otherwise), I can understand why they’d let Gaudin go.
Not that big of a deal, it was the battle for the long man out of the bullpen. Mitre or Gaudin were only going to come in if the SP got knocked out early due to performance or injury.
With Mo, Joba, DRob, Marte, Ace, and Park- Gaudin was never going to see significant action. So why pay him 3m when Mitre is getting paid 900k and overall the performance probably would be similiar (obviously the FO has confidence in Mitre after 2years away from TJS).
Before I got past the first paragraph, I was thinking he’d be a good fit for the Mariners. Definitely more reliable/predictable than Vargas or Olson, or whoever is going to end up there. Bonus points if they convinced him to sign a Minor League deal.
Brewers should definitely go after Gaudin, too. He’s at least as good as Doug Davis, and probably an upgrade over Suppan and Parra, and he can’t be that expensive if no one was willing to pick up his $2.95 million off waivers.
2-2.5 WAR might make the difference from the Brewers winning the wild card and being completely out of it.
Gaudin is nasty against RHH, that slider is sick, his problem is LHH tee off on him. Surprised they didn’t have Mo try to teach him a cutter because if he could be average against LHH he’d easily be a serviceable 4th starter on most teams. Like him way better than Mitre, but Mitre is one of Girardi’s “guys”, so this was surely a matter of clubhouse politics.
Like him way better than Mitre, but Mitre is one of Girardi’s “guys”, so this was surely a matter of clubhouse politics.
OR…like the dozen or so previous posters pointed out, it was a “surely” a matter of money. $3M for a ROOGY isn’t exactly a great allocation of resources.
When (and NOT if) Oliver Perez implodes, Gaudin could provide the Mets some quality innings. Now the Mets actually being willing to spend money on players that represent upgrades rather than sh*t, thats unlikely.
You mean WAR? I think WAR is too flawed to take too seriously. I’d rather look at the raw data, which is all WAR is composed of anyway: raw data modified by whatever manipulations / weights the guy who invented the stat felt was right to him.
I agree. Not to mention Pelfrey, Maine, and Niese all have the potential to put up major suckage and uselessness. It’s possible he’d be slightly less useless than at least one or four people in their rotation.
I don’t understand why so many are down on Mitre. At 29, he is still relatively young, and his peripherals were a lot better than his ERA would suggest. He put up a solid 2.46 K/BB and 2.41 GB/FB all in his first year back from Tommy John. Furthermore, a quick look at some of his other stats suggests a healthy regression to the mean- 21.7% of his fly balls went for homeruns, .349 BABIP, and a 57.5 strand rate. I think Mitre is a guy a lot of people are overlooking, and I think he will comfortably outperform Gaudin.
Which one of these names is the most confusing? If anyone out there doesn’t know who Mo is, he/she should start watching soccer. The other nickname is DRob hmm I wonder who that could be. The only possible confusion could come from Ace short for Aceves. The rest are first or last names e.g. Joba, Park, Marte
Omar says:
March 26, 2010 at 10:10 am
There’s a chance that the Yankees sign him to a minor league deal…who knows. The move didn’t make sense to me, because Gaudin’s at least elite against RHH and could be a useful cog in the bullpen and maybe as a spot starter.
BomberBanter.com says:
March 26, 2010 at 10:18 am
I don’t think the Yankees are going to offer Gaudin a minor league deal; pretty sure they still have to pay somewhere around 25% of his salary even after they release him, so i cant imagine they’re going to give him additional money to keep Kei Igawa company
Raf says:
March 26, 2010 at 10:32 am
It seemed to me that the move was based on salary. Girardi has a thing for Mitre, apparently. With Park, Robertson, Marte and Chamberlain presumably getting mid-late inning work (high leverage or otherwise), I can understand why they’d let Gaudin go.
dan l says:
March 26, 2010 at 10:58 am
Gaudin became a goner the day Park signed! He has no consistent out pitch against lefties.
Bradley says:
March 26, 2010 at 10:59 am
I truly mystifying transaction. Oh, well, hopefully Gaudin will post a 2+ WAR season for someone else, so we can thumb our noses at Yankee-town.
Zack says:
March 26, 2010 at 11:09 am
Not that big of a deal, it was the battle for the long man out of the bullpen. Mitre or Gaudin were only going to come in if the SP got knocked out early due to performance or injury.
With Mo, Joba, DRob, Marte, Ace, and Park- Gaudin was never going to see significant action. So why pay him 3m when Mitre is getting paid 900k and overall the performance probably would be similiar (obviously the FO has confidence in Mitre after 2years away from TJS).
geo says:
March 26, 2010 at 11:24 am
Gaudin will easily find a job; nobody picked him up on the waiver wire because they know they can sign him for less than that $2.95 million figure.
Chris@Seatgeek says:
March 26, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I agree I think he could be an excellent fit in Seattle, especially with the King and Lee at the top. Solid 5th starter.
Brett says:
March 26, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Before I got past the first paragraph, I was thinking he’d be a good fit for the Mariners. Definitely more reliable/predictable than Vargas or Olson, or whoever is going to end up there. Bonus points if they convinced him to sign a Minor League deal.
Bronnt says:
March 26, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Brewers should definitely go after Gaudin, too. He’s at least as good as Doug Davis, and probably an upgrade over Suppan and Parra, and he can’t be that expensive if no one was willing to pick up his $2.95 million off waivers.
2-2.5 WAR might make the difference from the Brewers winning the wild card and being completely out of it.
Melkmizzle says:
March 26, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Gaudin is nasty against RHH, that slider is sick, his problem is LHH tee off on him. Surprised they didn’t have Mo try to teach him a cutter because if he could be average against LHH he’d easily be a serviceable 4th starter on most teams. Like him way better than Mitre, but Mitre is one of Girardi’s “guys”, so this was surely a matter of clubhouse politics.
Steve says:
March 26, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Like him way better than Mitre, but Mitre is one of Girardi’s “guys”, so this was surely a matter of clubhouse politics.
OR…like the dozen or so previous posters pointed out, it was a “surely” a matter of money. $3M for a ROOGY isn’t exactly a great allocation of resources.
Steve says:
March 26, 2010 at 3:10 pm
but he’s “worth” twice that!
Wait, you mean market prices are set by WAR??
Thomas J. says:
March 26, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Eh. An FIP of 4.58 would have him just in the bottom 20 of starters with 150+ innings last year. Bottom. Twenty. That’s pretty useless.
twinsfan says:
March 27, 2010 at 12:00 am
It’s just too bad that this site doesn’t provide a composite measure of a player’s contribution towards his team’s win total.
Dr. Strangelove says:
March 27, 2010 at 9:08 am
When (and NOT if) Oliver Perez implodes, Gaudin could provide the Mets some quality innings. Now the Mets actually being willing to spend money on players that represent upgrades rather than sh*t, thats unlikely.
Thomas J. says:
March 27, 2010 at 9:33 am
You mean WAR? I think WAR is too flawed to take too seriously. I’d rather look at the raw data, which is all WAR is composed of anyway: raw data modified by whatever manipulations / weights the guy who invented the stat felt was right to him.
Thomas J. says:
March 27, 2010 at 10:10 am
I agree. Not to mention Pelfrey, Maine, and Niese all have the potential to put up major suckage and uselessness. It’s possible he’d be slightly less useless than at least one or four people in their rotation.
Matt Walsh says:
March 27, 2010 at 1:26 pm
I don’t understand why so many are down on Mitre. At 29, he is still relatively young, and his peripherals were a lot better than his ERA would suggest. He put up a solid 2.46 K/BB and 2.41 GB/FB all in his first year back from Tommy John. Furthermore, a quick look at some of his other stats suggests a healthy regression to the mean- 21.7% of his fly balls went for homeruns, .349 BABIP, and a 57.5 strand rate. I think Mitre is a guy a lot of people are overlooking, and I think he will comfortably outperform Gaudin.
RodeoJones says:
March 28, 2010 at 9:19 am
I love how you use these nicknames – as if you’re assuming everyone in America knows every player in the Yankee bullpen.
RodeoJones says:
March 28, 2010 at 9:21 am
Young for the Earth, not the diamond.
Zac says:
March 28, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Which one of these names is the most confusing? If anyone out there doesn’t know who Mo is, he/she should start watching soccer. The other nickname is DRob hmm I wonder who that could be. The only possible confusion could come from Ace short for Aceves. The rest are first or last names e.g. Joba, Park, Marte