One could argue that Anibal Sanchez’s no hitter is up there with Clay Buchholz as well due to the fact he was a rookie. Then again some would argue it shouldn’t have been a no hitter b/c Eric Byrnes beat the throw on the last ground out in the game.
Why rank them by wOBA? It’s a no hitter – wOBA is of course a wonderful measure of total offensice effectiveness, but we just need plain old team BA.
That’s really the only appropriate way to calculate BA.
A team full of Mark McGuire’s would be ungodly effective at scoring runs, but they wouldn’t be – relatively speaking – all that hard to no hit. Sure, you might walk the bases loaded and THEN walk in a run, but they aren’t that hard to no hit.
Vs a team full of Juan Pierre’s (insert your favorite high BA low OPS “grinder” here :)), would be MUCH harder to no hit.
“…no-hitters are fun to watch (unless your team is the victim, of course)…”
I know that this is not the point of the article, but I am going to disagree with you here. I may be a Seattle Mariners fan, but I am also a Baseball Fan. If I go to a game at Safeco Field and some kid named Jeff Niemann takes a no-hitter into the 7th, then I am going to root for him to finish it. Witnessing such a performance would be a treat, even if it was the Mariners who were getting mowed down.
Of course, it would be different if the game was being played in October…
Can’t disagree enough. I despite it when my team is getting no-hit, I don’t care if the pitcher is a rookie war-veteran cancer survivor and the score is 15-0, I pray for him to give up a hit. Maybe I’m a terrible person but that’s my visceral reaction.
Quick, meaningless comment on the Verlander no hitter: Ryan Braun was not in the lineup for Milwaukee that day (although i can’t remember if he made a pinch-hit appearance). This would probably knock the team wOBA down a few points.
Point taken, but you can’t just use batting average. Say Juan Pierre is a .300/.350 hitter, and McGwire is a .250/.400 hitter. McGwire would get hits in 25% of his ABs, but walk in 15% of all his PAs, which result in MORE ABs, for more chances to get hits.
Now, this would still mean that a team of McGwires would average about 7.8 hits per game and a team of Pierres would average 8.5 (assuming a 27 out game with no DPs); but the point is still made that you can’t just use BA.
I always root for no hitters. I’m a Pirates fan and I remember a few years back Chris Young of the Padres needed two outs to get it (can’t recall exactly), and Joe Randa came off the bench and hit a HR. Needless to say, the Pirates still lost and some crappy benchwarmer who went on to retire the next season pretty much crushed his dreams.
My earliest baseball memory is listening to Jim Bunning’s no-no on the radio in 1958. And then I watched Verlander’s on line a couple of years ago. But the most exciting for me was when I was in stands in Baltimore to see Mussina come within two outs of pitching a perfect game against the Indians. The O’s were never my team but I was pulling so hard for Moose that I nearly collapsed when Sandy Alomar got a single with one out in the 9th. IIRC, Mussina then struck out the last two batters. I hope that one hit doesn’t keep him out of the HOF. He was a class act.
Mussina would have had a better chance at getting Everett if it happened a few years later in his late 30’s, a time when he’d be considered a dinosaur by baseball standards. Everett wouldn’t be able to see him.
I’m with Joseph. It’s embarrassing to get no hit. Along those same lines, I never understood why it was against the “unwritten rules” to bunt during a no-hitter.
The team is TRYING to not get no hit. Bunting is a legitimate strategy to try to get a hit.
The one I am thinking of involved Schilling and the Padres a few years back. Schilling was super chapped that the Padres bunted to break up his no hitter. But the kicker was that it was only a 1 or 2 run lead, which made bunting even more defensible. I don’t know, JMO.
I feel like Buehrle’s perfecto had so many different levels of difficulty that day that its insane. Start off with the fact that he is a contact pitcher, with a horrific defense playing behind him, against, as noted, a very good hitting team in the rays. Then add in the catch by Wise, coming in for the ninth cold as a defensive replacement, and it was a remarkable effort to say the least.
Before I’d ever been to a no-hitter I would’ve agreed with Max, because I’d never seen one start-to-finish (except in a minor league game in Lansing once about five years ago). But I was at Verlander’s no-hitter. Having now seen one, I NEVER EVER EVER want to see the Tigers no hit, at any point in my life. I can now only appreciate no hitters in neutral games and thrown by the Tigers.
I hate to say it, but wOBA just isn’t the stat to use when comparing the relative difficulty of getting no-hitters. XBH-hitting teams and singles-hitting teams can have very different wOBAs, but an XBH is the same as a single when you’re trying to throw a no-no. The best stat to use would be team BA.