“…a) acknowledge that in these matters, there are both known unknowns and also some unknown unknowns, (b) accept that this is the case, and (c) turn one’s attention to problems of a more solvable nature.”
Which is exactly why I wonder why I didn’t stop after the Sunday portion of the article, and wish I had.
WTF? I read through that whole thing waiting for the bombshell to drop, and…… So he got married in the offseason and and his wife was sitting a row behind him while he charted pitches? I’m still wondering what the POINT was to all this!
P.S. Do you think attitudes about marriage and when a guy is ready might be different in North Carolina, on average, than say New York or California?
My wife doesn’t sit next to me while I’m working, and if she did it would almost certainly make me less productive, so I can understand why the Giants might feel he’s distracted. OTOH, he hasn’t lost velocity because his wife sits behind him.
Comment by buck turgidson — April 26, 2010 @ 12:44 pm
yea, the marriage talk in this article really led to nothing productive…a possible negative: it wasn’t his wife sitting behind him and now you’ve unnecessarily strained M.B.’s marriage (although, the chance that an article like this would reach his wife’s ears is low). Without any real, valuable insight your comments are just gossip. If only TMZ had space for baseball prospect gossip.
I was at the Saturday game, celebrating my 30th birthday. I even caught a foul ball. I gave it to the kid behind me who kept shouting that he should get it because it was his birthday, which was pretty amusing to me.
What did you think of Posey’s arm? I wasn’t terribly impressed, especially considering he used to pitch.
He gave a bull calf to his wife for her birthday, because that is what she wanted. He used his bonus money to buy a 38 acre farm after his wedding. He grew up on a ranch plus co-owns 11 horses with his in-laws. And he has 15 heads of steers as well.
There are much different standards between rural and urban/suburban cultures, and to make light of that shows a certain lack of sophistication.
In addition, perhaps you had a much simpler wedding, but some weddings are big affairs that require a lot of time and attention to in order to get through. It is not a matter of “straightening out” but rather of getting through it, is the way I read it. Weddings also typically are pretty stressful for the participants because there typically are issues to take care of, whether it is between themselves or with various family members and friends who have differing ideas on how a wedding should be done. Then there is the honeymoon, where I would hope Madison didn’t spend much time thinking about his conditioning for the upcoming baseball season. Again, not straightening out, but getting through it. Sometimes you need to read between the lines and not take things so literally.
There is maybe four months of the off-season. I would think that he would have been pre-occupied with the wedding for at least for half that time. Then put on top of that his sister’s death. He would be pretty cold-hearted if he were out preparing for spring training while grieving for his sister, whom he was close to.
And I don’t understand why 2 flyballs by a weak hitting SS were a big deal. Maybe he felt that he could pitch to this guy like this BECAUSE he was sure the guy couldn’t hit it out. I thought it was pretty common knowledge that pitchers change their strategy based on each batters’ strength and weaknesses.
Were you the guy with the radar gun sitting 2 rows in front of me? I thought that was a Giants scout based on the colors he was wearing.
I came away with a different impression of Bumgarner. For one thing, Bumgarner was consistently 90 – 92 most of the day (as reported by both the stadium sign & the radar gun 2 rows in front of me). After the first 3 innings I turned to my friend and said, “This is too easy. Do you think he’ll ease up on them now that he’s shown what he can do?” And he did. The second time through the lineup he periodically lost the strike zone and, therefore, didn’t look as good.
Posey made solid contact when he actually took a swing.
Thanks Carson. I’m a Giants fan so I’m probably going to appreciate this a little more than other readers, but especially liked the bit about his swing-and-miss rate. I say “liked” – more like “found especially dismaying.” But seems like a pretty telling bit of info. On another note, can you comment on how Rohlinger looked at SS? If he looked like anything at all, that is.
Comment by balfourvanvleck — April 26, 2010 @ 2:34 pm
I don’t usually post here…but just had to pipe in what a terrible piece of writing this was. Like the previous commenter said, what was the point of letting us know his young wife was sitting near him? I was waiting for the part where she started berating him from the stands, or got herself tossed for public drunkeness. Just because you witnessed this during your time at the game doesn’t mean you should share, being that it adds no value to your article
I also find it hilarious you share with us a long-winded personal view of marriage (which I’m sure many members of you “peer group” don’t share) that is not only irrelevant, but also completely overshadowed by the off-handed “oh by the way, his sister died during Spring Training” part that *might* qualify to some as a distraction.
Good to know his velocity is improving though. Thanks for the one parcel of information in an otherwise elaborately wasteful effort.
Comment by BagOfHammers — April 26, 2010 @ 2:43 pm
I’m pretty sure Carson was utilizing the ole Henny Youngman, “I take my wife everywhere, but she keeps finding her way back” motif.
Carson, maybe you should include a, “*tap* *tap* Is this thing on?” every so often. Just a thought.
Comment by 3rd Period Points — April 26, 2010 @ 3:40 pm
Looks like my annoyance with the second part of this article pales in comparison to other posters’.
I normally like Carson’s stuff, and don’t even mind the divergence into his views on marriage. That’s normal for him. But this is more like an RJ article: so self-contradictory that it renders itself pointless.
I found the article interesting on a level that regardless of how you feel about marriage, there are many areas of life that people outside of Madison’s circle don’t have access too. Who knows mentally what he is going through but it certainly can have an impact on someone that young. That goes for any player on any level.
Lets cut Carson a break here – he is allowed to comment on his feelings of marriage if he wants too just choose not to read the article if you have a problem with it.
Stick to baseball. If you’re 25 and you marry your girlfriend of 4 years, it means you matured early and you’re ready to act like an adult, not that you’re admitting failure of some sort. That’s true of baseball stars and regular people as well.
On the other hand, if you wait until you’re 32 or so, it means that you never did REALLY grow up and you’ve just decided to make babies with whoever will have you.
I hate to be on the other side of this debate — cause I’m not, really — but, just to be clear, Madison Bumgarner isn’t 25, he’s 20. He married his girlfriend of four years at age 20, meaning they got together when he was 16. That’s somewhat notable in 2010, even in North Carolina, although not as crazy as Carson makes it out to be.
One of the tidbits offered that I liked was the fact that Bumgarner hit one out. When he was in the bigs last season, he looked like he could possibly be a legitimate option off the bench as a pinch hitter. The kid can rake.
PABLO is married too. Does not seem to be a negative on his performance.
It is interesting to see one’s point of view on marriage. In today’s world for most people in the U.S. marriage before age thirty, unless there is some confounding circumstance, should be rare. Rural, Urban, Suburban or otherwise. I have confidence that Bumgarner, will not be another Jerome Williams, Jesse Foppert, K. Ainsworth, Jason Grilli, or Fontenot, Soloman Torres, or Ozzie Fernandez. But will be more in line with, Cain, Lincecum, Sanchez, etc.
Comment by bradley emden — April 27, 2010 @ 2:10 am
Because Brian Sabean is one of the worst GMs ever and couldn’t find his ass with both hands and a flashlight.
Comment by Sabean's Follies — April 28, 2010 @ 4:09 am
It’s good to hear Madbum hit another one out. In his first MLB at bat he smoked a ball to LF that would have left the yard with a little bit of elevation. He also hit a grand slam at double A last year. Yea I’d like to see that bat on the Giants bench.
Getting married and having you sister die would qualify as distractions. From the interviews I’ve seen and read he seems like a great guy. He’ll get that second pitch and become an excellent pitcher in the Majors.
I have to say I LIKED the marriage tangent. For those of you who don’t “get it,” there’s no accounting for taste among baseball geeks.
The insight on Bumgarner himself was a little unenlightening (I still want to know WHY a 20 year old kid suddenly can’t throw in the mid 90s anymore) and I can tell you it’s NOT because he married his girlfriend. That’s just typical clueless excuse making by Sabean. Either Bumgarner was completely oversold as a propect, or something has gone terribly wrong physically with him.
It’ll be funny to find out the big names the Giants could have had last season in a Madison trade, but refused, only to find out he can’t pitch in the big leagues. So Sabean era.
First of all, it’s “asinine”. If you’re going to denigrate someone else’s work, at least have the courtesy to make sure the insult is spelled correctly. Secondly, Carson and I probably have similar upbringings because his thoughts on marriage are absolutely correct. My parents would be appalled and my friends would all laugh if I got married without or before graduating college. I go to Harvard Medical School (and no, this isn’t an “I’m from an Ivy League School and therefore better than you” rant) and my friends attend some of the premier schools in the country, and interrupting your path to your future career is just something that’s simply not done.
Give the man a break he is an outstanding person who CAN throw a baseball Everytime i have talked with him he talked with me like i was somebody he is a good person and so is his wife THEIR 20 years old just sit back and watch he will show you all what he is made of and if you give a chance he will show you just talk to him and you will see
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Comment by Makeda Thibodaux — March 5, 2011 @ 10:50 pm