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  1. In the last paragraph, I believe it was the Pirates who were flailing, not the Nationals.

    Comment by Phillies Red — June 10, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

  2. yeah, I understand that’s you’re used to saying the Nats are flailing, but it really doesn’t make sense this time :)

    Comment by Jeremy T — June 10, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

  3. The Nats do plenty of flailing on their own, but not when the Anchorman’s pitching,

    Comment by Kevin S. — June 10, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

  4. “we rarely get to join in the exact same cheers as the rest of baseball.”

    I just can’t really agree with this. Yes, there are very often instances of the sabermetric community disagreeing with conventional wisdom, but I’ve found that, more often than not, the two actually align pretty closely. Think about any player, not just Strasburg, at the top of the sabermetric talent scale, and he probably falls extremely close to the same spot on the conventional evaluation scale. Pujols, Felix, Mauer, whoever – these guys are the most celebrated in, and get the same cheers from, both worlds.

    Comment by The Hit Dog — June 10, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

  5. It’s a question of perception, really. Obviously, the vast majority of the time, conventional wisdom isn’t wrong. But the perception of “advanced” analysis is that we’re in possession of privileged knowledge. In the case of Strasburg, there is absolutely nothing that we can say that someone who watched that game doesn’t already know intimately well.

    Comment by Alex Remington — June 10, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

  6. Is that what we’re calling him now? I kind of hoped for Burg Unit.

    Comment by Alex Remington — June 10, 2010 @ 5:16 pm

  7. You know, I also think you can have enjoyment with both sides. The way I am when watching a game is totally different than the way I am analyzing games afterward. Watching a game, I can get fully caught up in the moment, be furious at people who later I will fully acknowledge were victims of bad luck. I can hope and pray that the most laughably bad hitter will “get it done”. Etc, etc. Then, later on, when I’m not caught up in the moment, I can analyze things and think about it rationally. You can have both!

    Comment by dave — June 10, 2010 @ 5:25 pm

  8. Well, he isn’t completely without faults. The IP limit really draws the ire from the fantasy crowd.

    Comment by PJ — June 10, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

  9. I totally agree.

    Comment by Alex Remington — June 10, 2010 @ 5:46 pm

  10. Simmons has tried to get it to stick, and I use it because I like it. Nicknames probably are better when they’re derived organically, though.

    Comment by Kevin S. — June 10, 2010 @ 6:20 pm

  11. Sabermetrics, to me, is finding value where it’s not obvious … Such Ben Zobrist or Chase Utley being the Phils and perhaps NLs MVP.

    Still, most times, whether you’re using Wins, ERA, or FIP … The best pitchers are still consistently the best pitchers.

    Sabermetrics was huge in placing correct valuation on stuff like RBI, OBP, etc.

    But teams such as my 80s Cardinals were already demonstrating the value of team defense and speed.

    Sabermetrics lots of times quantifies things that were previously based on observation.

    There is no need to place man-made barriers between sabermetrics and what fans see. Far more times both groups will agree on the big things.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — June 10, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

  12. hmm.. I don’t really separate them, but I still enjoy the game as much as I did before I had heard of fangraphs. Actually I’d say I enjoy it quite a bit more.

    I get a lot less upset at players for hitting into double plays, etc., and for pitchers allowing a bunch of hits. Although I obviously enjoy a win better than anything, I also enjoy it when the Twins play a game that would move them up in the Beyond the Box Score power rankings.

    If they play badly AND lose, well then there’s always beer.

    Comment by Steven Ellingson — June 10, 2010 @ 10:49 pm

  13. “…wanted my “sabermetric” opinion of the start, and all I could tell her was what she already knew: he was amazing.”

    Well, his xFIP is *negative* 0.5.

    Comment by 3rd Period Points — June 11, 2010 @ 1:16 am

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