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  1. I was taking a sip of water when I read “future all-star Omar Infante,” and almost gave my monitor a shower. Luckily, the sadness that is associated with that being the truth quickly over came me and prevented my spit-take.

    Comment by Matt — July 7, 2010 @ 1:38 pm

  2. I’m trying to forget about this, why do you guys have to keep bringing it up in articles?

    Comment by Samuel — July 7, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

  3. The Brandon Lyon outing left such an awful impression that Jim Leyland switched to Fernando Rodney as closer. Lyon never did get another crack at the closer’s job for the 2009 Detroit Tigers.

    Comment by Detroit Michael — July 7, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

  4. I know this is being picky, but what the heck.

    I disagree with the first sentence of this post. It is impossible for any pitcher to have a WPA of 1.00 in a single inning (unless the pitcher moves off the mound while a teammate records one or two outs and then returns to the mound in the same inning). Understanding this, Franklin was in no danger at all of recording a WPA of 1.00 in a single inning and setting a record that could never be broken.

    Comment by Detroit Michael — July 7, 2010 @ 2:34 pm

  5. Sadly, I remember both Tiger performances very well.

    Comment by TJ — July 7, 2010 @ 3:45 pm

  6. If a pitcher enters a game in a situation in which no team in his position has ever lost a game (or at least none in the population used to generate the numbers), then single-handedly loses it, he would record a WPA of -1.0.

    Comment by Torgen — July 7, 2010 @ 6:16 pm

  7. I was at the June 1, 2007 game. A particular note about that game if you were a Tiger fan in attendance: The day before that game the Cleveland Cavaliers played the Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals and LeBron James essentially single-handedly beat the Pistons in Overtime. Why is this relevant? Well after this game ended, Cleveland fans (remember, Cleveland won the AL Central in this season…..they had a good team) were awful full of themselves and deservedly so on some “Beat Detroit” Kool-Aid. That was a very, very, very long walk out of the stadium and walk to the car.

    Comment by Larry Smith Jr. — July 7, 2010 @ 6:33 pm

  8. The only way a team actually has a WP of 1 is if the game is over and they won. In all other cases, even if an actual team has never lost in that situation, you are rounding to one. So, no, no pitcher can actually have a WPA of -1 or 1 in a single inning.

    Though on a larger note, I dislike WPA’s method of assigning the outcomes to the pitcher and the hitter. The fielders also play a role here. But that’s kind swept under the rug in the name of simplicity. Given that, I’d argue the only you could even approach .99 is to allow a HR against every batter you face. And even in that case, HRs would not always HRs in different parks. So you’d have to allow 400+ foot HRs each batter as well.

    Just one reason why I think WPA is cute and has its uses, but is often not particularly instructive.

    Comment by Wally — July 7, 2010 @ 7:03 pm

  9. wow should have reread that. I skipped 3 words in 3 sentences. Let me correct:

    iven that, I’d argue the only *way* you could even approach .99 is to allow a HR against every batter you face. And even in that case, HRs would not always *be* HRs in different parks. So you’d have to allow 400+ foot HRs *to* each batter as well.

    Comment by Wally — July 7, 2010 @ 7:07 pm

  10. I gotta bring up the Reds giving up 7 runs in the ninth to the Braves on May 20th this year while only recording one out. The incredible trio of Mike Lincoln, Nick Massett and Coco Cordero faced a combined seven batters without recording an out. The only out of the inning came when King Arthur was called in and struck out Jason Heyward, Cordero then came in and after six pitches gave up the game winning granny. Coco had a WPA of -.815 and Massett was at a pretty -.212. That was a depressing inning.

    Comment by Jesse — July 7, 2010 @ 8:32 pm

  11. Yup. We should have a support group.

    Comment by Dave Wagner — July 7, 2010 @ 8:53 pm

  12. Did anyone bother to remind the Cleveland fans when the last time they won a championship? I’m expecting some sad Cleveland fans circa 9:00 tomorrow night.

    Comment by Souldrummer — July 7, 2010 @ 11:09 pm

  13. A pitcher can have a WPA of < -1 in 1 inning, but he has to hit in the top of the inning.

    Comment by Rust — July 8, 2010 @ 12:02 am

  14. April 24, 2009, a day in fantasy infamy.

    Florida enters 9th ahead of Philly 3-0. Lindstrom starts inning to close it out, gives up 7 ER and loses game. Seems worse than what these three did…

    Comment by chongo — July 8, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

  15. Prettyy interesting stuff here. Pretty cool if I dont say so myself.

    Comment by Pierre Porrini — August 17, 2010 @ 11:29 am

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