Depends what “starting pitcher” means. If Porcello, Galarraga, and Perry is enough for them, that’s gonna get done. With the recent firing of Byrnes, I don’t think anyone really knows exactly what the FO is looking for right now.
Oh man! Haren isn’t gettting traded? But, we need a big pitcher to be traded in order to spice up the trade deadline!
Comment by The World Wide Leader In Sports(ESPN) — July 16, 2010 @ 9:14 pm
Actually, ZIPS projects Cliff to finish with a 7.64 K/BB — Jack Moore was probably thinking NL-only and forgot to check.
Comment by The Ancient Mariner — July 16, 2010 @ 9:46 pm
Hey nothing to do with this post, but was anyone watching the Yankee game right now? Maddon goes to Wheeler and then Cormier with the game tied in the Bottom of the 9th inning?!?!?! Is Soriano hurt or something?
Comment by DonCoburleone — July 16, 2010 @ 10:40 pm
Hmmm… Last I checked, the Reds have 8-9 quality starters with none of them top of the rotation kind of guys. Giving up a couple of them plus some minor league relievers doesn’t sound too bad to me if they could get Haren for them.
Just a quick note that Miguel Montero, not Chris Snyder, is the organization’s choice for catcher of the future. They tried their best to shop Snyder over the offseason, and I’d be surprised if he were still a D-Back next year.
“It seems to me that the ridicluous request of two starters and bullpen help is simply Arizona’s way of saying that Haren is untouchable.”
Gee, I thought it was their way of issuing a confusing non-statement statement in order to make the news. So… two Russ Ortiz’s and some bullpen help… a 45-year-old bullpen catcher? That’ll get it done? Where do we sign? I hate these completely meaningless front office type statements, and the even more inane treatment the media reliably gives them, by assuming their own definitions.
Two starters could mean two prospects capable of starting in a couple of years and if that is the case then their demands are no to much. I think they want a future frontline starter and a middle of the order starter along with a good relief prospect and that is not to much to ask for Haren.
except that the team can compete now if it had a bullpen, and the biggest reason it can compete is Dan Haren. The odds of any “front line” starter prospect turning into a front line MLB pitcher aren’t really that high.
The Phoenix market is one of the bigger MLB markts that hasn’t been split among two teams. It’s considered a small market because ownership has small pocketbooks, small minds, and small ambitions. They just want to unload their most expensive players and staff the team cheaply so they have a 100% guarantee of not losing any money because they are 100% guaranteed to not spend any money.
Comment by Jeffrey Gross — July 17, 2010 @ 1:18 pm
clearly that line was a joke
Comment by Jeffrey Gross — July 17, 2010 @ 1:18 pm
Seriously. I’d give up Homer, Maloney/LeCure, and Boxberger to get it done. With the rotation money freed up by letting Harang (and possibly Arroyo) walk after this season, I’d gladly take Haren’s salary in the budget.
I agree, but I don’t see the D-Backs taking that. We might have to include Wood/Leake instead of Maloney/LeCure and/or Donnie Joseph instead of Boxberger. I like it less under those terms, but I still think you have to seriously consider it.
They can’t even sell out playoff games. Whether the market is big or not, I don’t think Arizona has tapped it very well.
The D-Backs also have special problem that most teams don’t face: most of the people who live there and like baseball grew up rooting for someone else. The city is full of transplants and retirees that spent most of their life rooting for the Yankees, or Red Sox, or…. You get the point. In a city like Cincinatti, there are people who grew up with the team to create a loyal fanbase. Phoenix doesn’t provide that.
LEAGUE AVERAGE ERA WAS 4.43 LAST YEAR, MAKING A 4.26 ERA A SOLID STARTER ERA, GIVEN THE AVERAGE MLB STARTER HAS AN ERA SLIGHTLY ABOVE LEAGUE AVERAGE. A BIG MAJORITY (57%) OF HIS INNINGS HAVE PRODUCED A 3.29 ERA IN GAMES CLASSIFIED AS FIRST HALF AND HIS 2ND HALF ERA IS BIASED BY CONTAINING ALMOST ALL OF THE INNINGS IN HIS 5.08 ERA ROOKIE SEASON. ONLY A GM TOO DUMB TO KNOW WHAT A CAPS LOCK KEY IS WOULD PASS ON ADDING A GUY WHO HAS AVERAGED A 138 ERA+ OVER HIS LAST 4 YEARS, ONE OF THE BEST IN BASEBALL.
This is literally the perfect forum for this question.
Comment by Felonius_Monk — July 19, 2010 @ 8:51 am
Your point is valid, but 35th out of 240 MLB starters is still a very solid, very near an all-star level performer. I’d think a superstar would have to be in the top 2 or 3 at his position, and Justin was 6th in Right Field. But I don’t think Jack is over-anticipating by using that language, if Justin improves just slightly, say from a 4.6 WAR to a 5.5 WAR, for his peak years, he’ll be one of the top two best RF every year for a long time.
My comment above (“Mark” at July 17, 2010 at 6:22 am) rings prophetic now. This is just a staggering haul for Haren, right? I mean, it’s all about how many major league pitchers you get. And they got TWO for ONE. That’s like a win, right?
Way to go, Jerry. Jeez.
Comment by BuzzingThalami — July 26, 2010 @ 12:36 am