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  1. what. a. steal.

    Comment by Jim — July 25, 2010 @ 8:26 pm

  2. According to mlbtraderumors, Tyler Skaggs is the PTBNL.

    Comment by Phenomenal Smith — July 25, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

  3. It looks like the Angels gave up very little for a 5+ win pitcher here. Great deal for the Angels.

    Comment by chuckb — July 25, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

  4. I was going to guess one of Tyler Skaggs, Randal Grichuk, or Garrett Richards(since it was hinted that the PTBNL wasn’t Mike Trout).

    Is Skaggs a better get than Grichuk? I’m guessing he(meaning Skaggs) is a better get than Richards, in all likelihood.

    Comment by Jim — July 25, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

  5. Is this worse than the Lee-Mariners package? I think it is (and Haren may just be a better pitcher than Lee, and younger, and cheaper).

    Comment by Sophist — July 25, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

  6. And the package I was referring to was the PHI-SEA Lee deal.

    Comment by Sophist — July 25, 2010 @ 9:10 pm

  7. As a mariners fan, we are fucked for the remaining of Harens contract with Haren paired with Weaver, Morales healthy next year, and Mike Trout coming up soon, the Angels are going to be tough

    Comment by Davis Nichols — July 25, 2010 @ 10:13 pm

  8. The Phi-SEA deal was worse IMO especially since you look at philly now struggling to find pitching. plus i find Lee to be the superior pitcher and being a lefty with mechanics helps a lot.

    Comment by DT — July 25, 2010 @ 10:15 pm

  9. *good mechanics

    Comment by DT — July 25, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

  10. Everyone in that division are going to be tough. Well, except for the Mariners. ;)

    Comment by GrouchoM — July 25, 2010 @ 11:23 pm

  11. The Mariners are tough in the sense that they will kick all their own asses in the name of accountability. The Diamondbacks upper brass could use some of that right now.

    Comment by Schwam — July 26, 2010 @ 12:06 am

  12. Either the Angels have something on the DBack’s owner or that package included lots of hot strippers each with a pair of high end Bel Air tits.

    Comment by pounded clown — July 26, 2010 @ 3:48 am

  13. People can rip this deal, and they should, but I still think it might be better than what Philly got for Cliff Lee. Damning with faint praise, I know.

    Comment by jGreen — July 26, 2010 @ 9:19 am

  14. I agree. What makes that worse for Philly is that they are a team that needs to win now. They had no business betting on mid level prospects. At least Arizona isn’t currently a pennant contender.

    Comment by Bill — July 26, 2010 @ 10:50 am

  15. I’m not sure. Phils got a top 100 prospect for Lee (Aumont) and another right on the outside (Ramirez), who’s shown the most this year. What’s more, Haren should be more valuable because of his age/contract and the fact that he was delt during the Summer, when values are usu. inflated.

    Comment by Sophist — July 26, 2010 @ 11:00 am

  16. I’m not exactly SURE it’s better, but I think the PTBNL, if it is actually who people say it is, has the chance to be better than any single player in the Lee deal. Maybe I’m wrong. Time will tell, and I’ll gladly admit I’m wrong when the day comes, because I lived in Southern NJ for a while (Phillies country) and I generally like to see them do well.

    This deal doesn’t disgust me as much as the Lee deal did. Maybe in 3 years I’ll change my mind about that though.

    Comment by jGreen — July 26, 2010 @ 11:42 am

  17. “While there are always worries about players moving from the NL to the AL, Haren should be an exception…”

    Can we move past this AL/NL stuff and start analyzing it at the divsional level already? It makes so much more sense, given that teams play half their games in their own division, and the difference in strength between different divisions, even ones in the same league. It really just doesn’t make much sense at all to only look at it from a league level. We’re better than that.

    Comment by B — July 26, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

  18. Considering the fact that they’re going to have both spend money and potentially trade off some more of their minor league talent to replace 1(or possibly 2) outfield spots, acquire some kind of decent left-handed starting pitcher to replace Kazmir this offseason, and get some help for the bullpen(and/or DH), I won’t worry too much(and perhaps Abreu becomes the new DH next year, who knows?)

    Yes, they’re minor league system is OK and so is their major league team, but neither is stacked, really, and even Seattle has a decent minor league system going forward(it will be better if James Paxton finally signs). The Angels have Trout, Reckling, Conger, and perhaps a few others with upside like Grichuck and Richards, both of whom are a few years away. But there are also several aging players and question marks on their 25-man roster, and are not infallible.

    All 4 teams have a decent chance to compete going forward. Seattle will have to wait for more of the Bavasi-era mistakes to fade(Milton Bradley isn’t a strict representation of that, but he’s what they got in exchange for Carlos Silva, so…) and the minor league system to develop more, but starting in 2012, they should have this “good one year, horrible the next” thing finished off for good, hopefully and will be a minimum 85 win team year in, year out.

    Comment by Jim — July 26, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

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