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  1. Looks like Gose turned into Brett Wallace.

    Comment by Hot damn! — July 29, 2010 @ 4:46 pm

  2. See I don’t know that Haren is actually more attractive than Oswalt plus $11 million without having to guarantee his option. Oswalt has less questions right now than Haren does…yeah I know his xFIP is pretty, but the 6 month run of high BABIP and HR/FB rates definitely gives teams pause when he’s guaranteed 29 million plus his remaining salary from this season. Oswalt on the other hand is pitching great at the moment, and with the money the Astros are kicking in he’s less expensive on a per year basis, while offering less risk being on just a one year guaranteed deal.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — July 29, 2010 @ 4:47 pm

  3. How has his stock fallen that far? We already knew he couldn’t play third when he was traded in the Holliday deal.

    Comment by Bill — July 29, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

  4. If Wallace becomes Gose, then why did the Jays trade Taylor for Wallace in the first place?

    Comment by Big Jgke — July 29, 2010 @ 4:54 pm

  5. Must be a middle reliever named Brett Wallace because Ed Wade is terrible amirite guyz?

    Comment by Stereotypical Fangraphs Commenter — July 29, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

  6. And a bad deal goes to pretty good for Houston. How on earth did they pull this off?

    Comment by Garrett — July 29, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

  7. His numbers are pretty underwhelming considering he’s doing his work in Las Vegas in the PCL and he’s locked into 1B. He’s not walking, his strikeouts are still fairly high, and that power really isn’t good for a 1B given where its coming. I’m not sure he’d crack my top 10 1B prospects right now.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — July 29, 2010 @ 5:04 pm

  8. Because Brett Wallace isn’t nearly as good as everyone thought before the season? His number are pretty unimpressive for a 1B in the PCL. Not sure how a middle of the road 1B prospect turns this deal from bad to pretty good for you. It might make it a little better, maybe from horrible to simply pretty bad, but still its definitely not good.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — July 29, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

  9. Maybe the Jays’ priorities changed. Maybe their opinion of Wallace changed. Wallace hasn’t really broken out this year as projected.

    On paper, his .868 OPS in AAA looks nice but he plays at a launching pad (Team OPS of .838).

    The bar for 1B is very high offensively.

    Comment by NEPP — July 29, 2010 @ 5:08 pm

  10. This…one million times THIS.

    If anything, Wade got fleeced twice in one day.

    Comment by NEPP — July 29, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

  11. 1st round draft pick (13th overall), BA #40 in ’09, BA #27 in ’10.

    The cardinals needed 3B help in a big way when Glaus got hurt. They didn’t call up Wallace, but traded for DeRosa.

    They traded Wallace to TOR, who originally drafted him and seemed to have a love affair with him, and then had Freese start the year at 3B, after letting DeRosa and Glaus walk to other teams.

    3B is “thin” in StL.

    So, that tells me he is definitely NOT a future 3B.

    But, a 23yo highly rated potential power hitting 1B playing in HOU’s stadium makes some sense for the Astros.

    I wouldn’t call Wallace a “standout prospect”, but I also wouldn’t label him as a “middle of the road 1B prospect”.

    A RH power hitter playing 1B with high strikeout rate has potential for big dividends.

    Wonder what this means, if anything, for Lance Berkman.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — July 29, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

  12. Goldstein called Wallace the most overrated prospect in baseball and that he was wrong when he was he was a future star.

    Comment by NEPP — July 29, 2010 @ 5:22 pm

  13. I can believe that.

    But, not being a 5WAR 1B, doesn’t mean he can’t be a 3WAR 1B.

    3WAR 1B’s are often decent middle of the lineup hitters.

    I’m just saying let’s not cast him as a 1WAR 1B, just because he’s not going to be a 5WAR guy.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — July 29, 2010 @ 5:33 pm

  14. He’s a high strikeout 1B who doesn’t walk very much and doesn’t actually hit for that much power (a .208 ISO in LV in the PCL isn’t that good). Right now he seems to profile as a below average 1B with an outside chance of being average. He’s a middle of the road 1B prospect.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — July 29, 2010 @ 5:33 pm

  15. I think 3 WAR is his absolute ceiling right now, and I don’t like his changes of reaching it.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — July 29, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

  16. My take on this trade is that Ed Wade must still work for the Phillies. Geez!

    Comment by bvillebaron — July 29, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

  17. You might see his ceiling at 3 WAR, but Gose, imo, seems like a long shot to even get to the point where Wallace is.

    Sure he is a toolsy, raw player and they usually taker longer to develop and one day it just clicks for them. But as of today, I don’t see him being anything more than another Carlos Gomez.

    Comment by Disco — July 29, 2010 @ 5:56 pm

  18. A 2WAR 1B for HOU still seems like a decent value for HOU given that they will be starting full scale rebuilding in 2011 (or now).

    With Dunn being rumored got TB, and Helton declining, Berkman is a decent trade piece, especially if AG remains in SD. That is for a team looking short-term (Berkman).

    Comment by CircleChange11 — July 29, 2010 @ 6:02 pm

  19. I didn’t say giving up Gose for Wallace was a bad deal, just that it doesn’t suddenly make up for the return the Astros got for Oswalt. While he may only turn into a Carlos Gomez, his ceiling is certainly a good deal higher than that (or Wallace’s for that matter). The fact that Gomez stopped developing doesn’t mean Gose will.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — July 29, 2010 @ 6:04 pm

  20. Who was he working for when he was GM of the Phillies?

    Comment by DavidCEisen — July 29, 2010 @ 8:13 pm

  21. After a quick chat with Brian Cartwright earlier tonight, I’ve come to the conclusion that the Jays were lucky to land Gose for Wallace. His solid offensive line in the PCL translates to a meager .231/.284/.372. Even if he’s really a league average hitter, that’s replacement level from a stone handed 1b.

    If he get back up to the .370’s with his wOBA, he’ll be a solid addition, but right now Houston has a prospect who’s more pedigree than performance.

    Comment by The A Team — July 30, 2010 @ 1:00 am

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