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  1. Why is it a big deal that the Phillies and Jays both value Gose over Taylor? Taylor is in the A’s system now, and as long as they value him, who cares what the Phillies and Jays think? Does it just give him a bad rep or something?

    Comment by geo — July 30, 2010 @ 11:01 am

  2. It doesn’t *matter*, really, but I think it might tell us that the offseason consensus on Taylor was overrating him. I think it serves to explain his struggles this year. Two teams with more information than we have liked him less than Anthony Gose. That’s useful when approaching a prospect ranking.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — July 30, 2010 @ 11:04 am

  3. The link on Miguel Tejada’s name goes to Miguel Cabrera’s page. I was going, “They traded him?”

    Comment by matt w — July 30, 2010 @ 11:07 am

  4. Thought I fixed that. Hm. Can’t get anything past you guys!

    Comment by Bryan Smith — July 30, 2010 @ 11:09 am

  5. I’ve read that Gose has touched 95 from the mound and he’s left handed. Is that a backup plan if he can’t learn to hit? He’s still very young.

    Comment by don — July 30, 2010 @ 11:14 am

  6. Can it really be true that Gose’s ceiling is at Wallace’s median? I’m not sure what sort of percentile of range of possible outcomes “ceiling” entails, but there must be a pretty wide range of outcomes at 19 years old. Gose’s minor league numbers are comparable to, say, Mike Cameron’s at the same age, and Cameron’s peak years at ~5 WAR seem to be above Wallace’s median. Not to say that everyone who hits poorly at 19 turns into Mike Cameron, this would be an outlier for sure (scouts’ opinions of Gose’s defense notwithstanding), but isn’t that what ceiling means at this point?

    Comment by Chris S — July 30, 2010 @ 11:23 am

  7. It’s hyperbole, certainly. What I mean is that Wallace is a sure-fire Major Leaguer, and Gose will need a lot of development even to get to that 1.5-2.5 WAR level.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — July 30, 2010 @ 11:24 am

  8. I appreciate the insight, but don’t you believe it’s slightly worthless to even try and project Gose’s major league career at this point? Should we trust his 60% GB rate or the army of scouts?

    Comment by Brendan — July 30, 2010 @ 11:27 am

  9. What army of scouts think he’s going to change his swing/approach and hit for power? I’ve heard people think he has a little more juice left in the bat, but no one thinks he has any formidable power potential.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — July 30, 2010 @ 11:29 am

  10. Ya i just mean that he’ll probably fill out a bit more as he leaves his teenage years…and who knows what’ll happen to his swing in the next 5 years. If he cleans up his baserunning approach and the defence sticks, he could be a valuable piece, at least more valuable than a 4th outfielder…right?? Just trying to make myself feel better here, lol.

    Comment by Brendan — July 30, 2010 @ 11:32 am

  11. Guess the entire Jays organization is under HR/swing for the fences fever, not just the players.. Which frankly I believe is needed to win in the AL East

    Comment by Tom — July 30, 2010 @ 11:33 am

  12. oh and by army of scouts,i meant all of AA’s.

    Comment by Brendan — July 30, 2010 @ 11:36 am

  13. I really wish Ramos didn’t get delt, I mean we have no place for him right now but we traded him for a reliever…Capps and Rauch are VERY similar this yr. Both have similar FIPs, K/9, GB%, BB%. Career wise that is.

    Comment by MauerPower — July 30, 2010 @ 11:42 am

  14. Whoops, wording kinda messed up. But you get the point..lol

    Comment by MauerPower — July 30, 2010 @ 11:43 am

  15. Its “affected” not “effected.” I don’t understand how people can mess these grammatical rules up–even when typing quickly. It should be second nature if english is your first language.

    Other common mistakes: “their” versus “there”, etc, etc

    Comment by little nitpick — July 30, 2010 @ 11:47 am

  16. But he’s 19, above average (at the plate) for his league at a young age, and apparently a possible defensive whiz. It’s a gamble, but players do get better, you know. 24 year old Gose is not just a 5-year-older version of the current player.

    I certainly wouldn’t worry about the CS numbers in the minors – if I was developing a speedster, I’d send him all the time too, just so he could learn. If it turns out he can’t be a great SB threat, just don’t let him steal. There’s a pretty short list of players who add significant value on stolen bases, and it appears Gose could potentially be one.

    This is a challenge trade for the Blue Jays scouting and coaching staff – here’s some top quality clay to mold, now make us a player.

    Comment by aweb — July 30, 2010 @ 11:55 am

  17. Norris has only lost his power this year because he’s coming back from a broken hamate.

    He’ll be right back to normal next year.

    Walk rate is still in line with everything else. He’s moving on just as planned.

    Comment by Lintyfresh — July 30, 2010 @ 11:59 am

  18. I used to think the same thing, but when used as a verb, affect and effect have the same meaning. Look it up.

    Comment by Piccamo — July 30, 2010 @ 11:59 am

  19. He’s great. One of my favorite prospects.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — July 30, 2010 @ 11:59 am

  20. How about “it’s,” or not putting a comma after the word “affected?” Oh, and you should capitalize English.

    I don’t understand how people mess this up. Lol Idiot.

    Comment by ComebackKid — July 30, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

  21. I’d add that “etc, etc” is redundantly reduntant and lacks proper punctuation.

    Comment by neuter_your_dogma — July 30, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

  22. How annoying

    Comment by bonestock94 — July 30, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

  23. I think you would prefer grammargraphs.com

    Comment by bonestock94 — July 30, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

  24. I don’t think so. Effect as a verb is to cause an action, as in effect a change in rules. Affect, which is always a verb of course, is to do change or influence. In other words, you can affect someone’s mood but you can’t effect someone’s mood.

    Comment by E Dub — July 30, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

  25. Guys: Enough.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — July 30, 2010 @ 12:32 pm

  26. They both have verb forms but they do not have the same meaning. “To effect” means basically “to cause.” “Affected” is the right word in this case.

    (Which is not to say that I would have bothered pointing this out myself.)

    Comment by Spoilt Victorian Child — July 30, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

  27. fuck off with the grammer shit

    Comment by Ryan — July 30, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

  28. Hopefully a future Brett Gardner!? (Gose)

    Comment by tdotsports1 — July 30, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

  29. Gardner was always a guy that walked a ton. That would be the one thing that separates them the most at this point.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — July 30, 2010 @ 12:53 pm

  30. You incorrectly used “its” in your comment, douche.

    Comment by Ahem — July 30, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

  31. Have to make the obligatory ” Where’s Wallace at String? Where’s Wallace?”

    Comment by JK — July 30, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

  32. Seeing as Gose as similar numbers to Carl Crawford when he was 19 (albeit Crawford was at AA), i dont know how you can possibly say his ceiling is a 4th outfielder.

    Comment by fjkagreklg — July 30, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

  33. I wonder if we’re seeing a growing movement towards stockpiling catchers in some organizations – if you consider recent history, at least, it seems like there may be a higher failure rate there than at many other positions, not to mention players often fade much more quickly. For example, it seems like all the Texas catching prospects imploded, Wieters doesn’t seem to be as good as expected, Dioner Navarro had a good year and then crashed, and Russell Martin had a couple good years and now is in a tailspin. Can’t think of others off the top of my head, and there are certainly counter examples (Santana and Posey), but perhaps this goes to explain the approach teams like the Yankees, Blue Jays, and now Nationals are taking; it certainly seems reasonably likely that catcher has the highest bust potential of any position after pitcher, given the extra stress on the body and the extra work that needs to be put in studying game plans and working with pitchers.

    Comment by Preston — July 30, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

  34. Gose’s ceiling is much, much higher than Wallace’s median outcome. The issue is how likely he is to attain that ceiling. Is it 3%, 5%, 10%, 15% or 25%? I really have no idea. All I can say is that there have been any number of fine defensive centerfielders with little punch and significant strike zone issues at age 19/20, from Willie Wilson and Devon White to Gary Pettis, who made progress on it and became very useful players.

    Comment by Mike Green — July 30, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

  35. Admittedly hyperbole. I should say something like Gose’s median outcome is about where Wallace’s abilities are today.

    Comment by Bryan Smith — July 30, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

  36. I definitely agree with that.

    It is the distribution above the median, though, which is the most important thing (for both players). Wallace right now is not even a 1.5 WAR player. He’s a below average defender at first base who would be roughly a league average hitter (at best).

    Comment by Mike Green — July 30, 2010 @ 3:07 pm

  37. Server not found.

    Comment by ComebackKid — July 30, 2010 @ 3:30 pm

  38. I have to agree about Wallace being a league average player. He has a good bat, but not for Power, he’s alot like Lyle Overbay when it comes to power and average, but plays poor Defense and isn’t the good baserunner that Overbay is. Adam Lind is a more athletic option at 1B who wont clog the basepaths

    Comment by ddriver80 — July 31, 2010 @ 12:18 am

  39. Not to mention that Wallace has had a mediocre line vs. Right handers his whole career in the minors, as well as having declined sharply after a hot start this year.

    Comment by ddriver80 — July 31, 2010 @ 12:20 am

  40. Have we met sir?

    Comment by Le Apostrophe — July 31, 2010 @ 1:08 am

  41. The Nats Flores looked like a stud as well, two years ago. Good point!

    Comment by DanaT — July 31, 2010 @ 2:10 am

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