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  1. This is a pretty cool article/situation.

    I wouldn’t bet that they’d be the best rookie class ever, especially given the two rookie trios you mentioned.

    The two things that jumped into my mind were:

    [1] I love it that teams are getting their young talent to ML. Unless a player is going through a position change, new approach, new pitch, etc … I am not in favor of extended minor league experience.

    [2] What strong debuting trios or rookie classes ended up flaming out.

    Are there really 3 HoF’ers in this rookie class?

    I bring this up as one who remembered how Cory Snyder and Pete Incaviglia were going to change baseball with their power.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — August 12, 2010 @ 12:24 pm

  2. Each of the trio has a positive curveball pitch tape value. That probably is the reason for their success.

    Comment by BrianA — August 12, 2010 @ 12:26 pm

  3. No love for Bumgarner? He turned 21 a couple days ago

    Comment by B — August 12, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

  4. probably because he hasn’t had the kind of impact that the other 3 have yet (hasn’t been up very long).

    Comment by slash12 — August 12, 2010 @ 1:08 pm

  5. Uhhhh… Mike Leake anyone? Hell, even Chris Johnson deserves an honorable mention.

    Comment by Reds Fan — August 12, 2010 @ 1:12 pm

  6. So in hindsight is Starlin Castro the most glaring ommision from the trade value series? I would think GMs would line up out the door for a chance at a 20 year old SS already producing at this level.

    Comment by rickie weeks — August 12, 2010 @ 1:30 pm

  7. The article is about under 21 players.

    Comment by NSCEGF — August 12, 2010 @ 1:42 pm

  8. Both are over 20 (Leake is 22 and Johsnon 25).

    Leake had a great start to his rookie season, but his 1.82 K/BB rate is below average.

    Johnson has a career .744 OPS in the minor leagues and his .430 BABIP in only 178 PA’s this season screams fluke.

    Sorry, but neither is in the same category as Heyward, Stanton or Castro in terms of long term potential.

    Comment by Charlie Saponara — August 12, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

  9. Did you even read the article? Mike Leake is a 22-year-old with a 4.47 FIP. That’s not particularly impressive.

    Comment by Ron A. — August 12, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

  10. The headline seems like Cameron learned something from Leitch at FanGraphs Live regarding headline writing.

    Comment by Double J — August 12, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

  11. Re 1: I agree, but it’s sort of surprising teams actually bring up such young players in the environment of 6-years of cheap team control. If you’re going to only get bargain rates on a player for six years and can control when those years start, don’t you want those years to include a player’s prime rather than having them end just when their primes are getting under way? E.g., imagine what an asset the Twins would have if this was Delmon Young’s first MLB year.

    Comment by Lucas — August 12, 2010 @ 2:42 pm

  12. Underage Trio Streaking Towards Their First Pay Day

    Comment by DavidCEisen — August 12, 2010 @ 2:51 pm

  13. sounds like a good evening at college.. underage trio streaking….

    Comment by Cidron — August 12, 2010 @ 4:04 pm

  14. Minnie Minoso played a bit in 1949 but was another HOF in the 1951 rookie class, finished close 2nd to Gil McDougald in RoY voting.

    Comment by gdc — August 12, 2010 @ 4:30 pm

  15. better than 1986? Bonds and Maddux — the two sickest of their generation. and Larkin a HOFer. not to mention Canseco, Will Clark, Wally Joyner, Galarraga, and yes Cory Snyder

    Comment by frank pepe — August 12, 2010 @ 6:05 pm

  16. He’s saying these three guys have had tremendous positive impacts on their team in that season during their age 20 season. Most of the guys you just listed weren’t in their age 20 season.

    Comment by ACWNS09 — August 12, 2010 @ 6:45 pm

  17. Castro was pretty much thrown out there in the comments as soon as the trade value article was posted.

    Castro just went 10-20 in a 4-game set against the Giants. In his last 10 games, he’s hitting .422 (19-45) with a BB and 5 K. He has a .366 OBP and .450 SLG. His next hit will be his 100th as a major-leaguer. He’s hitting 30 points *higher* against righties than lefties, and he’s hitting .407 in the last 30 days. At home, his XBH cluster between the power alleys, weighing somewhat toward left field. At the same time, most of his air outs at Wrigley are going to right-center.

    As to the question of bringing kids up early and having to deal with club control/arbitration earlier, well, winning is more important. If the Cubs and Braves believe that giving Castro and Heyward these reps in MLB (rather than at Iowa or Gwinnett) will improve the team’s chances of success now or in the near future, by all means bring them up.

    Castro will be 25 still when club control expires (March birthday). The means the Cubs can offer him a post-club control 7-year deal for the kind of money a cornerstone player wants, and still be out from under it when Castro is finishing his age 32 year. And since he’ll be signing at 25, he likely won’t have yet put up his peak potential numbers, which would in turn drive up his market value.

    I’m obviously more familiar with Starlin than Heyward, being in Chicago, but I’d assume that the generally intelligent Braves front office see Heyward in a similar fashion. Although I must say, Heyward’s numbers are amusing to me because he has Pujols’ patience but Jacque Jones’ contact results (LD/GB/FB). It’ll be interesting to see how long it takes before he consistently drives the ball on a line and in the air.

    Compare their situations to the situation of the rookie home run leader, Tyler Colvin. He’ll be 25 in 3 weeks: the Cubs have club control through his age 30 season. They won’t pay him much during his prime years, but if he becomes an everyday outfielder (or first baseman), then an extension to an already late-prime player is that much more of a gamble.

    And a last thought: as a Cubs fan, I have become pretty touchy about ascribing star status to pitchers in their rookie seasons. Strasburg has already been on the DL with soreness. Having lived through Kerry Wood’s 20-strikeout game…and Tommy John surgery, and then Mark Prior’s 7.6 WAR 2003…and his new deal with the same league featuring 18-year-old female sidearming knuckleballer Eri Yoshida. It’s a nightmare scenario for both the Nationals and the guy who paid $17,000 for a baseball card at auction recently. But with pitchers, you never know.

    Comment by Dann M — August 12, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

  18. He also said, “When all is said and done, I would be willing to bet that the rookie class of 2010 will go down as the best in the history of the game.” Which is fair to say, but the odds would be strongly, strongly against it knowing what we know about how variable things like that are and how good we know classes like the 1986 class were.

    Comment by Dylan — August 12, 2010 @ 10:41 pm

  19. Have you believed about making a video clip to cover the subject in even larger detail? I’m not unique what it might get, but my understanding is it is relatively easy to undertake now.

    Comment by shaver razor — April 18, 2011 @ 12:31 am

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